[Germany 13 Mar] New Aldi 42" Plasma HD ready €1,499

zod

These specials usually follow in Ireland, looks like it could be a good deal

see here : http://www.aldi-sued.de/product_01/product_111.html

Tony

Looks decent alright

DemonOfTheFall

They're full of crap. 1024x768 is hardly HD ready to be honest...

Look at www.avforums.com for the massive lists of issues with their other supposedly HD ready products aswell. Glad I saw that before I went out and bought a telly from Aldi.

zod

DemonOfTheFall wrote:

They're full of crap. 1024x768 is hardly HD ready to be honest...

Look at www.avforums.com for the massive lists of issues with their other supposedly HD ready products aswell. Glad I saw that before I went out and bought a telly from Aldi.

I searched avforums for comments and found this which I think is talking about an older offer. The pixel resolution is smaller and on page 3 they say that ALDI pulled the HD ready advertising (see here ) which they haven't in the current ad.

Unless you are referring to a different thread ? links would be nice.

Wertz

Umm...widescreen on a 1024*768 native res? That's a great engineering trick...
Someone tell me how that manages to do 1080i whilst we're at it

Thumper Long

nowhere near proper HD resolution, you can buy crap like that in power city for less, 1080i is a resolution of 1920*1080 and interlaced hardly comparable to 1024*768, there is a lot of stuff being touted as HD etc which is nowhere near the true resolution

jesus_thats_gre

I thinks its pretty obvious that the resolution is meant to be 1366 x 768..

Overclockers.co.uk make the same mistake now and again with their Plasma's too:

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/Plasma.html


Does a TV not have to support a minimum of 720p and 1080i in order to get the the HD Ready sticker.

Some TVs claim to be HDTV Compatible but this means scratch all..

unklerosco

Its a plasma tv for €1500... HD or no HD. Sure who has HD?? How many chanels are on HD?? How much are and how many people have HD dvd players?? You'd be insane to buy a plasma n basing it on HD tv/dvd.. There's no point.. By the time HD really takes off and HD/blue ray dvd players are mainstream n come down in price(1st units are expected to be priced @ €700-1000) this plasma will be old news.. There'll be cheaper n better specced ones about..

It'll do HD 720p, just like most plasmas that price...

jesus_thats_gre

Sky HD is the reason why it is important...

unklerosco

There's only a handfull of channels on sky HD at the mo.. If all the sky digital chanels where HD then it'd be important.. Buy a HD tv now to watch 4-5 HD channels or wait till next year n buy a much much better plasma/lcd to watch allot more HD channles...

zod

Thumper Long wrote:

nowhere near proper HD resolution, you can buy crap like that in power city for less, 1080i is a resolution of 1920*1080 and interlaced hardly comparable to 1024*768, there is a lot of stuff being touted as HD etc which is nowhere near the true resolution

Here is a popular Panasonic .. it's advertised as HD ready .. and its 1024x768

YoYOPowder

DemonOfTheFall wrote:

They're full of crap. 1024x768 is hardly HD ready to be honest...

Look at www.avforums.com for the massive lists of issues with their other supposedly HD ready products aswell. Glad I saw that before I went out and bought a telly from Aldi.

To you DemonoftheFall:
Please dont talk about what you dont know 1024x768 is perfectly HD Ready in a lot of circumstances, do you think Pioneer and Panasonic, of whom the latter I work for are touting these things as HD Ready when they are not? Please see http://www.pioneer.co.uk/uk/product_detail.jsp?product_id=11824&taxonomy_id=62-63 and http://www.panasonic.co.uk/plasma-tv/index.htm
I do admit some resellers do tout some panels to be what they are not, but let me clarify something 1024x768 with other specs, i.e. HDMI or DVI is HD Ready. NO question about it.

TerrorFirmer

Don't forget to add the X360 to that list - the only reason I got a HD tv to be honest.

Regardless of the HD capability - 1024x768 can be HD ready though - its a 42" plasma for 1,499 which isn't bad at all.

YoYOPowder

Thumper Long wrote:

nowhere near proper HD resolution, you can buy crap like that in power city for less, 1080i is a resolution of 1920*1080 and interlaced hardly comparable to 1024*768, there is a lot of stuff being touted as HD etc which is nowhere near the true resolution

To you Tumper Long: Do you know what 720p is compared to 1080i? I doubt it by the looks of your statement. At any given time during a moving picture progressive 720, will have that many horizontal lines. An interlaced screen running 1080i at any one time during a moving picture, i.e. any movie, will have 540 lines changing at such a speed that you would not notice. The industry that I work in widely regards 720p to be better than 1080i for motion pictures, in fact its a given. Yes, a still picture might be a little better with 1080i. BTW progressive is a far more expensive technology and generally flicker free unlike 1080i. 1080P panels have not really hit the market yet. BUt the Japnese section ar building these for the future. Downscaling and upscaling has to be allowed, for example if a digital broadcaster decides to broadcast in 720P as they do in Japan, well then a 1080i must upscale to meet this and a 1080P must downscale, but at all times 720P must be the minmum lines. You might ask how to Panasonic get around this, by a mixture scaling, pixel shifting and triangular pixels that make 1024x768 actually 1280x720, if you want a pdf on exactly how this happens I can provide. I say this, dont get too bogged down in the specifications and go by what you see and just make sure it has the HD Ready logo imprinted on the panel, not the marketing brochure..

YoYOPowder

Hello Again

This should clear up any further HD Ready Arguments. Please read the following statement made by people who decided on what HD Ready means, the EICTA.

http://www.eicta.org/files/FAQ-111949A.pdf

masterK

Komplett are doing a 42" LG for €1,899.

http://www.komplett.ie/k/ki.asp?sku=318374&cks=WOF

YoYOPowder

masterK wrote:

Komplett are doing a 42" LG for €1,899.

http://www.komplett.ie/k/ki.asp?sku=318374&cks=WOF

This is good price. LG do good plasma, big Korean dealer.

See link for good plasma reviews http://www.homecinemachoice.com/reviews/

See link for top Plasma by quality http://www.plasmatvbuyingguide.com/plasmatv/top10.html

DemonOfTheFall

YoYOPowder wrote:

To you DemonoftheFall:
Please dont talk about what you dont know 1024x768 is perfectly HD Ready in a lot of circumstances, do you think Pioneer and Panasonic, of whom the latter I work for are touting these things as HD Ready when they are not? Please see http://www.pioneer.co.uk/uk/product_detail.jsp?product_id=11824&taxonomy_id=62-63 and http://www.panasonic.co.uk/plasma-tv/index.htm
I do admit some resellers do tout some panels to be what they are not, but let me clarify something 1024x768 with other specs, i.e. HDMI or DVI is HD Ready. NO question about it.

Well YoYo powder, I would personally define HD Ready as able to play HD content without mauling it by downscaling it to an inferior resolution.

720p, as you have made it very clear that you know everything about, is 1280x720 progressive scanned. This Aldi display has a resolution of 1024x768.

Any person on the street can tell you that 1024 is less than 1280 and that 768 is more than 720.

This means that any pixel will be stretch vertically and compressed horizontally.

This is not proper, native, HD Ready.

Please continue to flame away, you seem to be very sure of what constitutes a decent screen (not).

unklerosco

Its long n boring but this should clear everything up.... Relates to projectors but its all the same(reolution wise)

Have you heard this one yet from a projector salesman…. "You don't want to buy THAT projector…it doesn't do TRUE HDTV." Well, certainly nobody would want to buy a projector that didn't do real HDTV, right? But they all claim to do HDTV. So what's the scoop?

It is easy to understand why the confusion exists. But it is also easy to sort it all out. First, let's start by defining HDTV. There are two common HDTV formats in use today, usually referred to as 1080i and 720p. The numbers refer to the number of horizontal lines in each frame of video (also known as "vertical resolution" since it is the number of horizontal lines as counted vertically from top to bottom of the screen). So in a 1080i signal, there are 1,080 lines per frame of video, and in a 720p signal there are 720 lines per frame.

The "i" and "p" indicate whether the signal is interlaced or progressive. In an interlaced signal, all of the even numbered lines are transmitted in one batch, followed by all of the odd numbered lines. (This is done to reduce transmission bandwidth.) In a progressive signal, all lines of the frame are transmitted at once in sequence. So with the interlaced 1080i signal, only 540 lines are recorded by the camera and transmitted at a time; they are then reassembled at the time of display. Meanwhile, with 720p, all 720 lines are recorded and transmitted in sequence.

Both of these signal formats maintain a 16:9 aspect ratio. That means the picture is 16 units in width for every 9 units in height. This is what has become known as the standard widescreen television format—all widescreen format TVs, plasmas, and projectors have a native 16:9 aspect ratio these days.

In order for an HDTV signal to maintain a 16:9 aspect ratio that matches the widescreen format, it needs to have 16 pixels on each line for every 9 lines of video in the frame. So a 1080i signal has 1920 pixels horizontally. That is why you will sometimes see the actual resolution of the 1080i format designated as 1920x1080. (If you divide 1920 by 16, then multiply the result by 9, you get 1080.)

Similarly, a 720p format signal has 1280 pixels on each line. So the physical resolution of the 720p format is often noted as 1280x720. (Once again, if you divide 1280 by 16, then multiply the result by 9, you get 720.)

So far, so good. Now….what is TRUE HDTV? This is where it gets confusing, because people use the term to mean different things. Some people think that the only real, legitimate HDTV format is 1080i because it has the highest physical resolution. So they refer to 1920x1080 as true HDTV. Others have been calling 1080i "full HDTV," presumably to distinguish it from the less full 1280x720.

Fans of the 720p format object to this. They point out that progressive scanning produces a cleaner, higher resolution signal when the subject is in fast motion. It has no deinterlacing fuzziness. And since the 1080i camera captures only 540 lines at a time, the actual resolution of 1080i when the subject is in motion is only 540 lines, not 1080. So many folks think 720p is better for rapid motion sports like football and soccer, while 1080i is better for, say, golf, where people are just basically standing around.

The fact is that both 1080i and 720p are great HDTV formats that look a lot better than standard television. Both formats are being broadcast by the major networks today, so your projector needs to be able to display both of them, and all projectors that are HDTV compatible do in fact display both of them.

So what does it mean to ask "does your projector display true HDTV?" Often what is really meant is, "does it need to re-scale the image?" In other words, does the video information coming in on the HDTV signal need to be either compressed or expanded to fit the physical resolution of the projector? In most cases, it does.

Any given projector has just one physical resolution, usually called the native resolution. Native resolution is the number of pixels actually available on the display. So an SVGA projector, for example, has display panels or chips with a native 800x600 pixel matrix. In order to display a 16:9 signal, it uses an active area of 800x450 on the display. So any HDTV signal that it gets, whether it is 1280x720 or 1920x1080, it must reformat (compress) that incoming signal into 800x450 before feeding it to its internal display. So no matter what, it cannot display any HDTV signal without compressing it, and losing a bit of image detail in the process.

This is true of standard XGA resolution projectors as well. They have a native resolution of 1024x768. In order to display a 16:9 image, they use an active portion of their display that is 1024x576, which is a 16:9 matrix. Therefore the HDTV signals, whether 1920x1080 or 1280x720, must be compressed to fit into a 1024x576 matrix before they are displayed.

Many new home theater projectors have native 1280x720 LCD panels or DLP chips. These are built expressly for the purpose of displaying HDTV 720p without needing to compress it or expand it. Some would say that projectors with the 1280x720 matrix are true HDTV projectors. However, some wouldn't, because when they get a 1080i signal these projectors still need to compress the 1920x1080 information into their native 1280x720 displays.

For the purist with unlimited funds, the only real, genuine HDTV projector is one with 1920x1080 internal resolution. These will display 1080i without any compression. There are a small handful of projectors on the market with this resolution, and at the moment they cost $20,000 and up. But these units need to reformat 720p signals, scaling them up to fit their native 1920x1080 displays. Technically, then, you could say that even these units are not true HDTV when it comes to 720p format.

The bottom line is that all projectors are built to scale a wide variety of incoming signal formats into their one native display. They will all do standard television, they will all do DVD, and almost all of them will do HDTV 1080i and 720p as well. In addition, most of them will display a variety of computer resolutions, including SVGA, XGA, and so forth. Really, when it comes to HDTV, there are only two circumstances where scaling is not required: 720p for a projector with 1280x720 native resolution, and 1080i for a projector with 1920x1080 resolution. Other than for those two unique matches, scaling is always required no matter what.

So this whole issue about "true HDTV" misses the point. Even the cheapest low resolution projectors will display HDTV pictures that look better than any television you ever saw. The fact that you are seeing a compressed signal is quite beside the point. Scalers have gotten so good these days that even low resolution projectors deliver amazing HDTV quality for the money, even after the compression. So who cares if it isn't "true HDTV?"

The real question is how much are you willing to spend on a projector? Generally, the projectors with higher native resolutions tend to cost more than those of lower resolution. With higher resolution you get reduced pixelation, and usually a smoother, cleaner, more filmlike image. And you usually get these improvements, to varying degrees, on all video sources whether they be television, DVD or HDTV. Getting better image quality across the board is usually a more important key to your overall viewing satisfaction than the question of whether the HDTV image is scaled or not.

Yes, it is true that today's 1280x720 format projectors are indeed particularly impressive for 720p display. But the amount of 720p material you will view compared to everything else will probably be rather small unless your weekly video entertainment consists mainly of HD sports broadcasts from ABC, ESPN, and Fox. And meanwhile, 1080i can look spectacular on a 1280x720 projector, even though the 1080i signal is compressed and not "true" 1080i.

Therefore, next time a salesman says, "Don't buy that projector, it doesn't do true HDTV," think twice and don't take his word for it. That relatively inexpensive projector you are considering just might deliver the best possible HDTV picture for the money on the market.

CivilServant

As long as it has at least 720 lines of vertical resolution is gets the HD ready seal of approval. It's not native I know, but thats the way the game works. No 42" plasmas aren't proper 720p or 1366x768 yet. The last time aldi germany had a plasma deal it didn't come to Ireland at all. It was a 50" real HD ready, the week before christmas, so I won't keep my hopes up for this one.

YoYOPowder

DemonOfTheFall wrote:

Well YoYo powder, I would personally define HD Ready as able to play HD content without mauling it by downscaling it to an inferior resolution.

720p, as you have made it very clear that you know everything about, is 1280x720 progressive scanned. This Aldi display has a resolution of 1024x768.

Any person on the street can tell you that 1024 is less than 1280 and that 768 is more than 720.

This means that any pixel will be stretch vertically and compressed horizontally.

This is not proper, native, HD Ready.

Please continue to flame away, you seem to be very sure of what constitutes a decent screen (not).

HHmm, so most 42" plasma do not meet the HD Ready specification then? Panasonic, Sony, Pioneer, LG, Samsung, Philips, they are all lying and trying to con us. Please Demon, its OK to be wrong!! I merely stated that you are incorrect in your statement that it's hardly HD Ready. The fact is, it is HD Ready, and your personal opinion cannot change this, unless of course you are chairman of the committee that wrote the HDR specification. Are you? If you are then please read the attached PDF earlier, because here you have stated that it is HD Ready and does meet the specification as per the criteria. Did you make a mistake here perhaps?
You are correct in saying that its not Native Resolution, i.e. Physical pixels are not 1280x720, but that is missing the point, this alone does not make a panel HD Ready, again please read http://www.eicta.org/files/FAQ-111949A.pdf
particularly the last paragraph,
"Display devices with a 15:9 screen that have exactly 720 lines - and not more - cannot comply with
the “HD ready” minimum requirements.
In reality many 15:9 display devices are actually (W)XGA -grade (i.e. 768 lines) screens, and can
comply with the resolution criterion in as far as they feature a compliant "wide aspect ratio
letterbox" operating mode."
So again, lets throw aside the proud remarks and say Yes YoYo, you are correct the Plasma is HD Ready, all the manufacturers were correct and I was wrong in my initial statement. BTW, scaling is a given in most LCD's and Plasma's. Accept it, just buy a good brand, i.e. Panasonic.

Wertz

Pardon the continued stupid questions....but is this widescreen or not?
The pixel area is 4:3 if I'm not mistaken, so the only way this can do any WS presentation is by leaving black bars? Or am I missing something, like oddly shaped pixels or something?

copacetic

Wertz wrote:

Pardon the continued stupid questions....but is this widescreen or not?
The pixel area is 4:3 if I'm not mistaken, so the only way this can do any WS presentation is by leaving black bars? Or am I missing something, like oddly shaped pixels or something?

your right wertz, this isn't widescreen and couldn't be HD ready unless they have made a mistake with the spec. I notice the link is down so maybe they made a mistake when they had it as 1024x768. If not it doesn't meet the HD ready criteria, a lot of total BS being talked above..

YoYOPowder

daveym wrote:

your right wertz, this isn't widescreen and couldn't be HD ready unless they have made a mistake with the spec. I notice the link is down so maybe they made a mistake when they had it as 1024x768. If not it doesn't meet the HD ready criteria, a lot of total BS being talked above..

Davey and Wertz, you are both correct in your summation of physical pixels, but most plasma's pixels are actually triangular in shape. Hence I think the best thing to accept is to go by PQ and not specs (although you still must meet the min requirement for HD Reday, and these specs do). The link is for Aldi from what I remember, so the special is probably over. 1024x768 is the standard 42" plasma resolution across the board, even on the biggest names.

CivilServant

YoYOPowder wrote:

Davey and Wertz, you are both correct in your summation of physical pixels, but most plasma's pixels are actually triangular in shape. Hence I think the best thing to accept is to go by PQ and not specs (although you still must meet the min requirement for HD Reday, and these specs do). The link is for Aldi from what I remember, so the special is probably over. 1024x768 is the standard 42" plasma resolution across the board, even on the biggest names.

I think you mean rectangular. 1024x768 is spread out across a 16:9 screen.

YoYOPowder

CivilServant wrote:

I think you mean rectangular. 1024x768 is spread out across a 16:9 screen.

Correct and right CS. A typo, my apologies..

copacetic

YoYOPowder wrote:

Davey and Wertz, you are both correct in your summation of physical pixels, but most plasma's pixels are actually triangular in shape. Hence I think the best thing to accept is to go by PQ and not specs (although you still must meet the min requirement for HD Reday, and these specs do). The link is for Aldi from what I remember, so the special is probably over. 1024x768 is the standard 42" plasma resolution across the board, even on the biggest names.

but they don't, 1024x768 res doesn't meet HD ready. by anyone's definition including your pdf link..

YoYOPowder

daveym wrote:

but they don't, 1024x768 res doesn't meet HD ready. by anyone's definition including your pdf link..

Davey

I have attached another link, please read carefully

http://oasis.gov.ie/justice/civil_case/taking_a_civil_case_intro.html

You will need this when taking your case against every Plasma making manufacturer in the World that has the HD Ready logo on their 42" 1024x768 Panels, emm, which is just about them all.

copacetic

YoYOPowder wrote:

Davey

I have attached another link, please read carefully

http://oasis.gov.ie/justice/civil_case/taking_a_civil_case_intro.html

You will need this when taking your case against every Plasma making manufacturer in the World that has the HD Ready logo on their 42" 1024x768 Panels, emm, which is just about them all.

did i mention taking a case?
it is clear from the hd ready guidelines that you need to be widescreen at 720 vertical lines which 1024x768 can't meet and it doesn't hit the % variance allowed either.

This calling of 1024x768 HD ready came about because one Plasma manufacturer did it and they all followed on otherwise people think one is 'HD ready' when the other isn't when in reality neither of them are according to the associations own guidelines.

You'll notice than none of them ever call their 1024x768 LCDs HD ready..

YoYOPowder

daveym wrote:

did i mention taking a case?
it is clear from the hd ready guidelines that you need to be widescreen at 720 vertical lines which 1024x768 can't meet and it doesn't hit the % variance allowed either.

This calling of 1024x768 HD ready came about because one Plasma manufacturer did it and they all followed on otherwise people think one is 'HD ready' when the other isn't when in reality neither of them are according to the associations own guidelines.

You'll notice than none of them ever call their 1024x768 LCDs HD ready..

Please read the following taken from the EICTA Site. They wrote what specifications you need to meet,

4. Requirements for the logo “HD ready”
The EICTA "HD ready" Minimum Requirements for display devices are neutral towards the
technology used (plasma, LCD, DLP, DLA, LCoS, CRT, ...) as well as the implementation
thereof (flat panel, rear projection, front projection, direct view, ...).
A display device has to cover the following requirements to be awarded the logo “HD ready”:
1. Display, display engine
• The minimum native resolution of the display or display engine is 720
physical lines in wide aspect ratio.
2. Video Interfaces
• The display device accepts HD input via:
o Analogue YPbPr1, and
o DVI or HDMI
• HD capable inputs accept the following HD video formats:
o 1280x720 @ 50 and 60Hz progressive (“720p”), and
o 1920x1080 @ 50 and 60Hz interlaced (“1080i”)
• The DVI or HDMI input supports content protection (HDCP)


Now from here, you will see that native is only mentioned under section 1. Agree?
Read on and you will see 1280x720, it must just accept this format, but NOT natively.
You can read the full explanation here http://www.eicta.org/files/LicenseAgreement-114600A.pdf

For a non display device that receives HD, i.e. receiver it must conform to 1280x768 natively without scaling. I apologise if I was being smart earlier, but the above is true and this is all you need to get the 'HD Ready' logo, therefore, Im sure you now agree that a Plasma with res 1024x768 can be HD Ready.

YoYOPowder

daveym wrote:

did i mention taking a case?
it is clear from the hd ready guidelines that you need to be widescreen at 720 vertical lines which 1024x768 can't meet and it doesn't hit the % variance allowed either.

This calling of 1024x768 HD ready came about because one Plasma manufacturer did it and they all followed on otherwise people think one is 'HD ready' when the other isn't when in reality neither of them are according to the associations own guidelines.

You'll notice than none of them ever call their 1024x768 LCDs HD ready..

BTW, its 720 lines from left to right in letterbox mode, i.e. horizontal lines, it has 768 lines.

copacetic

YoYOPowder wrote:

Please read the following taken from the EICTA Site. They wrote what specifications you need to meet,

4. Requirements for the logo “HD ready”
The EICTA "HD ready" Minimum Requirements for display devices are neutral towards the
technology used (plasma, LCD, DLP, DLA, LCoS, CRT, ...) as well as the implementation
thereof (flat panel, rear projection, front projection, direct view, ...).
A display device has to cover the following requirements to be awarded the logo “HD ready”:
1. Display, display engine
• The minimum native resolution of the display or display engine is 720
physical lines in wide aspect ratio.
2. Video Interfaces
• The display device accepts HD input via:
o Analogue YPbPr1, and
o DVI or HDMI
• HD capable inputs accept the following HD video formats:
o 1280x720 @ 50 and 60Hz progressive (“720p”), and
o 1920x1080 @ 50 and 60Hz interlaced (“1080i”)
• The DVI or HDMI input supports content protection (HDCP)


Now from here, you will see that native is only mentioned under section 1. Agree?
Read on and you will see 1280x720, it must just accept this format, but NOT natively.
You can read the full explanation here http://www.eicta.org/files/LicenseAgreement-114600A.pdf

For a non display device that receives HD, i.e. receiver it must conform to 1280x768 natively without scaling. I apologise if I was being smart earlier, but the above is true and this is all you need to get the 'HD Ready' logo, therefore, Im sure you now agree that a Plasma with res 1024x768 can be HD Ready.

you are talking complete rubbish, to be HD ready a display device must meet all the requirements and a 1024x768 device fails at the first hurdle as it's display ISN'T 720
physical lines in wide aspect ratio.

YoYOPowder

daveym wrote:

you are talking complete rubbish, to be HD ready a display device must meet all the requirements and a 1024x768 device fails at the first hurdle as it's display ISN'T 720
physical lines in wide aspect ratio.

No its 768, the minimum must be 720. Why mention minimum in the spec if it had to be 720 and no more or no less. You are now ruling out most LCD's also that have the HD Ready logo. Please Davey go to the link and read the documentation on EICTA.

Ahh I get it, you're now just taking the mickey, aren't you? Or else you just struggled in School!!

ComeOnMeath

zod wrote:

These specials usually follow in Ireland, looks like it could be a good deal

see here : http://www.aldi-sued.de/product_01/product_111.html

Sounds like a good deal to me

ComeOnMeath

YoYOPowder wrote:

No its 768, the minimum must be 720. Why mention minimum in the spec if it had to be 720 and no more or no less. You are now ruling out most LCD's also that have the HD Ready logo. Please Davey go to the link and read the documentation on EICTA.

Ahh I get it, you're now just taking the mickey, aren't you? Or else you just struggled in School!!

Go easy YoYo/DaveyM

I bought a Samsung Plasma about 6 months ago, its 1024*768 and if its not HDReady I wont be happy, but Id be surprised as I checked on there website before I bought it and it says its HDReady.

ComeOnMeath

daveym wrote:

did i mention taking a case?
it is clear from the hd ready guidelines that you need to be widescreen at 720 vertical lines which 1024x768 can't meet and it doesn't hit the % variance allowed either.

This calling of 1024x768 HD ready came about because one Plasma manufacturer did it and they all followed on otherwise people think one is 'HD ready' when the other isn't when in reality neither of them are according to the associations own guidelines.

You'll notice than none of them ever call their 1024x768 LCDs HD ready..

Hey Dave just rang Samsung CC they said it is but just in case I emailed the EITCA. I'll go mad if its not.

copacetic

YoYOPowder wrote:

No its 768, the minimum must be 720. Why mention minimum in the spec if it had to be 720 and no more or no less. You are now ruling out most LCD's also that have the HD Ready logo. Please Davey go to the link and read the documentation on EICTA.

Ahh I get it, you're now just taking the mickey, aren't you? Or else you just struggled in School!!

i don't think you understand at all at all. it has nothing to to with the vertical res, it is horizontal res where 1024x768 comes up short. at the 720 pixel mark it has to have a WIDE ASPECT RATIO to meet HD ready. 1024 doesn't make this. the lowest res that meets this is 1280x768.

copacetic

ComeOnMeath wrote:

Hey Dave just rang Samsung CC they said it is but just in case I emailed the EITCA. I'll go mad if its not.

it'll display a picture fine as long as you have DVI or HDMI with HDCP, it's more a matter of having to downscale which means you won't get a top quality picture.
Whether you could really see the difference on a plasma is another matter, it doesn't actually have 'pixels' in spite of some of the above posts, so the picture will look pretty smooth..

It's more a matter of semantics, and that silly flame boy annoying me, they shouldn't be calling them 'HD ready' based on their own definition though.

CivilServant

Yeah its semantics and and the fact that giant multinationals usually get their way. It's costly to make native 720p 42" plasma at the moment so panasonic, pioneer & co got things done their way regarding the HD Ready logo. Having said that watching HD on a 1024x768 plasma is infitely better than regular SD. Go down to peats and have a look for yourself.

ComeOnMeath

CivilServant wrote:

Yeah its semantics and and the fact that giant multinationals usually get their way. It's costly to make native 720p 42" plasma at the moment so panasonic, pioneer & co got things done their way regarding the HD Ready logo. Having said that watching HD on a 1024x768 plasma is infitely better than regular SD. Go down to peats and have a look for yourself.

I think I get you. The guys that made up the HD Logo are saying its HD when its not.