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11-03-2006 11:14am#1
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Out of curiosity, I emailed someone I know who works for rackage asking what their stance is on what I suggested.. He said they would certainly consider a server/bandwidth for advertising on boards deal. I stated to him that there is next to no money for what I suggested so advertising was what he suggested.
Its up to the powers that be I suppose.
What about bringing this a step further? I know a few Irish clans wanted to start their own Irish league.. Would boards be able to step in here too?
I don't mean to be overstepping the mark here - only making suggestions and loosing the run of myself
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I like this idea a lot. I would actually be willing to chip in and help pay to setup such a server as im sure many other CSS players would (maybe). A boards mini league could be organised, friendly clan matches between boardsie's, could be good. 0
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Boards could be a lot more than it is, would need dedicated staff though, and unfortunately none of the admins are youthful students anymore, they're old, old men with bills.
I don't think there's enough in the kitty for a boards.ie payroll just yet
A couple of hundred euro a year for a salary isn't too appealing. DeV'd be eating 75%-ash catfood and drinking from urinals.
That said, I like your thinking jtg.0 -
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CuLT wrote:Boards could be a lot more than it is, would need dedicated staff though, and unfortunately none of the admins are youthful students anymore, they're old, old men with bills.
I don't think there's enough in the kitty for a boards.ie payroll just yet A couple of hundred euro a year for a salary isn't too appealing. DeV'd be eating 75%-ash catfood and drinking from urinals.
That said, I like your thinking jtg.
What if the money for the server was coming from us boardsies? People who chip in could be given admin (if they are suitable) and we could advertise the server. We could also organise various compo's ect..0 -
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Has been some things mentioned with a few people about getting a irish gaming community thing goin on our (TiG) forums. I aint involved in it but will mention this thread. The idea had been brought up to try and get web hostin for a site that all gamers could come too. But would need assistance from a number of people from different gaming communities.
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That's an interesting thought; essentially boards.ie branding.Endurance Man wrote:What if the money for the server was coming from us boardsies? People who chip in could be given admin (if they are suitable) and we could advertise the server. We could also organise various compo's ect..
"Now ye're creating high quality goods 'n' services".
Boards.ie could be a really good brand
"Now ye're gamin" - Boards.ie Gameservers
"Now ye're surfin'" - Boards.ie Internet (remember that one DeV? )
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RuggieBear wrote:forgive me if this sounds really stupid but would it be possible for boards to make money from hosting a games server... some sort of rakeback deal or something
If boards got the the servers without having to shell out any/much cash, then yes it could make money.
In my experience, you do not give anyone admin on a server without making em pay. Then paying up adds some revenue while also proving that they are committed to certain degree.
Rackage are based in England. As I said, someone who works for them has said that a server for advertising deal is viable. An Irish hosting company would be the preferred option but would any of the Irish hosting companies be so willing? I know someone in Rackage, I am sure that there is someone here who knows someone with Hosting365 etc...
An Irish online gaming community would be more viable if it was created around something already establised.. Boards.ie is established as they come in Irish terms and there is plenty of forum space I imagine
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TiG was born out of boards.ie. Its where we all met etc. We had 2 BF2 servers sitting idle and an Irish gaming community playing BF2 on a multitude of different servers.
As we have always 2 public BF2 servers I thought that it would be an idea to offer it to the boards.ie community etc. If other clans where to do the same thing with their CS:S servers, DOD:S servers etc etc then you wont have much of a problem
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TheHairyFairy wrote:TiG was born out of boards.ie. Its where we all met etc. We had 2 BF2 servers sitting idle and an Irish gaming community playing BF2 on a multitude of different servers.
As we have always 2 public BF2 servers I thought that it would be an idea to offer it to the boards.ie community etc. If other clans where to do the same thing with their CS:S servers, DOD:S servers etc etc then you wont have much of a problem
Fairy
Thats another way of doing it and is certainly viable if all see boards.ie in the same light that we do.
But I really do like that idea of a tournament where all games would be played on the on server.. Some benefits would be no bitching about lag as it would effect us all in the same way.0 -
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just my 2 cents. i'm no gamers or a handsome man. but i propose sthing like a business, like this:
- set up a limited company to provide this service
- shareholders - boards.ie trust (if there is one)
- share capital - €1 will do it as single member companies
- directors - few will do like trustees from boards, people who know things
- initial working capital - at start pumped by trust, donated by anyone.
- hire few employees and put facility in place
- run it as a business - people pay for the service
as fo startup working capital, it's a "loan" from the trust so it's payable. and, as the company makes profit, excess cash can be transferred to the trust as an expenses, say it management fees. leave some profit and roll over as time goes by. if only the business is a success.
the hardest part is getting the startup working capital, it's a hard work but if there's 1,000 gamers willing to donate €10 each, it's a lot. but i'm not sure how much we'll need to spend, and how much we need to earn to break-even. anyhow, there must be a way to finance the company. personnel wise, few volunteers will help, just pay lunch and travel allowances, let them work part-time.
what's in for the boards? the trust money can go to the boards, do wat ever with it, buy and upgrade servers or bachelor parties for the admins. and where else the boards can milk the money down from? charge the company advertising fees, etc.
ehehe. that's only my wet dream to share wt u guys. btw, if this becomes a reality, i'm up to give a hand. after all, this can be a big party!
mart
p/s : co-incidently this is my 400th post. wohoo! 0 -
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DeVore - Congrats on the speach you gave in DCU teh other week, nicly done
As it is, I am looking into this idea and have developed some plans with others on tig about it. We also have people from other sites interested too. We know that there has always been a lot of talk about it, but nobody has ever actually formulated anything. I beilieve that with a lot of effort something like this can be achieved and can flurish. However, it cannot be be done by just a few people and hope that the community will accecpt it. Support would be needed by as many people and clans possible. It would be a large endevor to do but something that can be a resounding success.
I know that the already large community of irish gaming is going to expand with the launch of onling gaming with the "next gen" consoles and so to have some sort of resources or community in place is important.
I know that there are a lot of people who are intersted in some way with the idea of a irish gaming site that will offer services to people. By us [at tig] providing regular boards.ie users with admin access to our bf2 servers and 'rebranding' the servers so to speak for the community here at boards.ie is obviously just a small step to show that it can be done.
I really would like anyone's input or ideas or even their support in trying to develop the idea of a irish gaming site/community further. You can always pm me or mail me at: winters@theirishguard.com ... ta
Also, to what Tom said: If the idea was to go ahead we would love it to be associated with Boards.ie. Many of us first found our first roots here and we could never have come this far without boards.ie.
But please, anybody who is seriously intersted in the idea and will be willing to put some work in and bash around some ideas please contact me.0 -
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DeVore wrote:Ok... This is definitely back to our roots but I'm confused why you need our rubber stamping... or our involvement at all!
You have made contact with H365 (via this thread), you have the community (we'll assist any non-profit attempt to make this work), you are keen to do this...
Why not do this yourself?
DeV.
No probs doing this myself at all really - it is just less daunting to do it with someone who has done something similar plenty of times already
You say you would be willing to provide assistance. What sort of assistance are you talking about?
Winters, I added you to MSN messenger. Could you add me please, would like to talk to you.
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As I said John, It isint something that we would look upon as being directly boards.ie or run by the admins at boards. I already know you have a hell of a lot of work on your plates with what would be nearly full time jobs in setting something of that size up. However to be associated and work closely with boards.ie providing information on the site that can be linked to boards users such as maybe downloads and servers.
Also visa versa
Re steve. I've add you as soon as I can and will hopefully get onto you then. Im quite busy for the next couple of days with society work in dcu.0 -
One of the main problems with Irish online gaming servers, is that they are rarely used. For example, the Quake4 server hosted by Dark Keep is being taken down, because nobody uses it anymore, and even when the game Quake 4 was new, it got very little use. This is the case with most games, except for CS and BF2 and a couple of others I suppose. In most of the games, the servers remain empty because there is no active community which drives them. I agree that boards.ie is in a unique position to fuel this kind of activity. It could be done only by getting all ye casual gamers off your armchairs and onto servers regularly, reviving enthusiasm with internal boards.ie leagues, and clans, a couple of mini prizes here and there.
There are so many people on these boards who know all the ins and outs of Red Alert, and who sometimes play FPS games online but never stick with it for very long... for lack of a better word - n00bs. One of the main reasons these players never stick with it, is because there is no community. I experienced this myself recently in Call of Duty 2 - played for several weeks on the most Irish servers I could find (namely the IRA server, and 1st-IB) both of which were hosted in UK as it happens, as there were no Irish servers, but I quit soon enough because there was nothing to keep me there. There were no familiar faces, no new Irish clans appearing, no hope of an Irish league on the horizon... there wasn't even an Irish community channel on Quakenet.
A range of boards.ie servers would bring the n00bs together, and you'd see the names you recognise, and you'd be able to post on boards.ie and discuss the games ye are playing. Once a group of people who kind of know each other start playing together regularly on the same servers, then a community starts up, and there are very few of these in Ireland. A concrete example of this is the Unreal community, at www.unreal.ie - which, aside from the DZR players, started with boards.ie gaming nights on the UT board. boards.ie provides the infinite amount of fresh faces, which is what you need to keep any gaming community alive.
I posted a column recently about the need for a community like this on quake.ie: http://www.quake.ie/post.asp?item=1799 - a community which bridges the communities. Quake had a decent community, Unreal has a decent community, but there is no interaction between these communities. This is bad for the greater Irish gaming scene because a smaller group of communities will die out easier than one which is held together by something greater. An example of this is the Lithuanian gaming community, which has http://www.e-sports.lt/ - the site which all serious Lithuanian gamers use as a base for their community, photographs/bios/news from all games. When some guy goes out and buys a new game, he needs to know where to go online to play it. There is no central site which tells you where the servers are, where you can see what communities are active, where you can view all the Irish leagues in progress. I would love it if this service existed - the holy grail of online gaming for me is an Irish league. We had them in QuakeWorld, and in Quake3... I even started playing CS just to have a taste of the Irish CS clan scene, and entered a team of Quakers into the ICSC.
I was going to make a site myself, a few months ago, to do this. Its goal was to bring the Irish communities together, and revive online gaming in Ireland. I wanted to see an Irish team in EVERY Clanbase Opencup, and a nations cup team in every NC game. After a few years with a bit of luck, we'd have a few in the Eurocups, and eventually we'd have medal hopes at the CPL and ESWC. It wasn't so long ago that there were some of the best players in the world in Ireland, both in Quake and in Counter Strike, and I am very disappointing to see that Irish gaming is currently on a slippery slope, with a pathetic clan scene, and this is exactly the kind of thing that is needed to revive it. The site would have been basically a link between the communities, a forum, details on all the servers, mirroring their news, hosting some leagues if possible... whatever could help.
The reason I didn't go ahead with the site is because I know that these sites usually fail due to a lack of activity, and a lack of community. These sites need to be updated very regularly, and they need someone with loads of enthusiasm and time (which I lack) to run them. There is no bigger community, and there is no greater activity in Ireland than right here.
My 2c:
I noticed on the Blacknight Blog a couple of days ago, www.gaming.ie has expired and is available. Buy this domain. DeVore has given the green light - get it integrated with boards.ie somehow. Not as a community board, or a hosted board, it has to be better than that. Get an announcement across all forums calling all gamers. Get servers from somewhere - this is not the big money issue that some people make it out to be, all you need are 6 game servers, which could be hosted on 2 or 3 different physical servers, GSPs have donated servers for community use in the past, and if you made a good case of it they would do so again, even if its temporary. Thats the easy part, the difficult thing is keeping the activity going.
I would like to see sponsorship of 500+ Euros and the launch of an inaugural tournament, spanning a couple different games, with prize money + free boards.ie sub accounts. An annual competition which caters for all active games, like the PCZone cups that are hosted by Jolt but sponsored by PCZone. Get talking to the GameCon/Darkside/Midlans/Mindphuck lads and see what ideas they have regarding LANs.0 -
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