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Eto'o or Henry?

  • 11-03-2006 1:29am
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 62 ✭✭


    Barca are flying and if Henry leaves Arsenal in the summer then Barca are No.1 to get his signature! My friend thinks Eto'o, but in my opinion Ronaldiniho and Henry are in a league of their own compared to the rest in the world! and the question is who would u rather have in your team?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,800 ✭✭✭county


    henry,only because i watch him week in week out,and know what he`s about,eto`o is pretty special though


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,346 ✭✭✭✭KdjaCL


    Etoo misses a lot of easy chances, but thats more Barcas fault for creating that many :o
    No matter who they get with ensuing striker merry go round thats coming, Shev to chelsea, RVN and Rijkaard to AC, Henry to barca Etoo to Arse, Ronaldo to UTD :confused: <insert player who has a good world cup > Real sign him.


    I would go or Henry hes 20 goals a season every season and scores the 1 in a 1-0 in.



    kdjac


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,117 ✭✭✭✭MrJoeSoap


    Henry, every time.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,300 ✭✭✭✭Seaneh


    Eto'o, but only because he's younger, stronger and scores with his head aswell.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,300 ✭✭✭✭Seaneh


    Eto'o, but only because he's younger, stronger and scores with his head aswell.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 479 ✭✭samb


    I think Henry is the best player ever, yes EVER. I see footage of Pele, Maradona, Best and notice that ussually the defence they are up against is poor. I think the pace of the game is faster now and the players have much less time on the ball. Also these 'Legends' are just that legends, they have reached a status in memory that modern players cannot live up to-but in my opinion do-any win. I would put Henry and Ronaldinho and other great players of recent times like Gerard, Keane, Maldini, Terry, Rooney, Zidane up with all those 'Legends' of the past. Notice also that all the past legends were all strikers which is unfair on defenders like Terry.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,300 ✭✭✭✭Seaneh


    Yeah all the legends were strikers, like Zico, beckenbauer, frank rijkaard, McGrath, Desailly, Gullit, Nadal, Boban, Koeman, Berasi, Maldini, Costacurta, Maldini Senior, Johan Cruyff, The two De Beor's, Adams, Banks, Seba Rossi... The list goes on, they were all strikers aswell where they?

    Henry isn't a legend, and IMHO he won't ever be untill he proves he can score for france on a regular basis or wins the Ballon D'or.

    Terry might be remembered as a legend, he;s young ynough and good enough but there a players who i think are ahead of him in the same posistion playing at the moment, Ayala, Nesta and Maldini for example.
    How you could call a 20year old a legend is beyond me, rooney is great but so wa sGazza at his age, for all you know he'll self desctuct in 3 seasons!
    Gerrard is a Liverpool legend, but not a legend in the sense of world football, he;s not even the best midfeilder in the world at the moment, how could he be a legend?
    out of you list there are 3 legends, Keane, Maldin and Zidane, the rest are "kinda, sorta" and might be in the feture.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    I'd go for Henry. I'm not a fan of a lot of African players. I find that they are athletes first and footballers second. More power and pace than skill. I know thats a generalisation and isnt going to apply to them all but I just feel Henry is much more of a footballer. Some of teh players I would put in the athlete catagory are Drogba, Yeboah, Weah, Sissoko & Troare (more gangly and awkward than pure athletes but closer to that than footballers) etc.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,300 ✭✭✭✭Seaneh


    Weah?
    WTF?
    World player of the year twice ahead of some of the best names of the last 15 years and you claim he wasn't a footballing player? he man oozed tecnique!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,617 ✭✭✭✭PHB


    Eto has proved himself in Spanish football, in international level, and at CL level.
    Henry has proved himself in the Premiership, sometimes at CL level, and not at international level.

    That said, I'd pick Henry over him in any team, but Eto is an incredible talent.
    Why not both?

    A front line combination of
    Ronaldinho - Leo Messi - Henry - Eto

    3 playing at any one time

    p.s. Henry plays where Ronaldinho plays, which is why I don't kn ow why Barca are after him.


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  • Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 15,001 ✭✭✭✭Pepe LeFrits


    What has Eto'o done at International level out of curiosity?

    Henry may have bombed along with his team at the last 2 major championships but he has still won the world cup, euros and confed, finishing as his team's top scorer in 2 of those.
    Seaneh wrote:
    Yeah all the legends were strikers, like Zico, beckenbauer, frank rijkaard, McGrath, Desailly, Gullit, Nadal, Boban, Koeman, Berasi, Maldini, Costacurta, Maldini Senior, Johan Cruyff, The two De Beor's, Adams, Banks, Seba Rossi... The list goes on, they were all strikers aswell where they?

    Henry isn't a legend, and IMHO he won't ever be untill he proves he can score for france on a regular basis or wins the Ballon D'or.
    Hang on, McGrath and Adams are legends but Henry isn't?

    To answer the thread topic: Henry, easy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 456 ✭✭Superdub2


    samb wrote:
    I think Henry is the best player ever, yes EVER. I see footage of Pele, Maradona, Best and notice that ussually the defence they are up against is poor. I think the pace of the game is faster now and the players have much less time on the ball. Also these 'Legends' are just that legends, they have reached a status in memory that modern players cannot live up to-but in my opinion do-any win. I would put Henry and Ronaldinho and other great players of recent times like Gerard, Keane, Maldini, Terry, Rooney, Zidane up with all those 'Legends' of the past. Notice also that all the past legends were all strikers which is unfair on defenders like Terry.

    henry the best ever?? while you are entitled to your opinion that is simply ridiculous!

    all strikers?? Baresi, Beckanbauer, Moore, Platini, Mg Grath, Desailly, Gullit??........ (the list goes on)

    Terry and Rooney among the best ever! i think Rooney will be over time but JT while being the best defender in England over the last two years has a rock solid defence to held and will be tested more at the world cup, both have along way to go yet

    id have to say Henry is a legend but Eto while being a great goalscorer is still got a way to go in respect of other aspects of his game

    Edit: just say seneh comment above so sorry for the repetition.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 698 ✭✭✭meldrew


    Henry is a different class to the rest of the Premiership strikers , I'd like to see him teamed up with Eto'o at Barca


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,479 ✭✭✭wheres me jumpa


    I would pick Henry but as stated above its purely because I see him every week. WHile he is a fantastic player I would not hold him up there as the best ever. No where near IMO.

    Not really a fan of his attitude at times he goes missing in games. Also I dont see him as captain material. His femine applause every time a player tries to put him in is not my idea of motivation.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,326 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kingp35


    Well if Barcelona want to cintinue playing the same style i would choose Etoo over Henry. Henry cant play that central role that Etoo does for Barcelona. Henry drifts to the wings etc and is more suited for Ronaldinhos position. If your asking who is the better player then ts easily Henry but if your asking who is more right for Barcelonas system then its Etoo every time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,966 ✭✭✭Jivin Turkey


    What a ridiculous thread. And what is even more ridiculous is that some people are saying they would rather Eto'o. I mean what has the guy done really for people to mention him even as a world class player yet alone one of the best in the world? He could well turn into a world class player, but he still has a lot to prove.

    This is a total gem though.
    PHB wrote:
    Eto has proved himself in Spanish football, in international level, and at CL level.
    Henry has proved himself in the Premiership, sometimes at CL level, and not at international level.
    Eto'o had three decent seasons before moving to Barcelona. But he never scored over twenty goals until he did. He has had two great seasons since.

    Henry has been massaging 30 goals every year pretty much since his move to Arsenal, in 1999!

    Henry has scored almost twice as many goals as Eto'o has played games in the CL. Yet Eto'o has proved it more than Henry???

    Henry's record at international level is as good as Eto'o's. Henry also doesn't get the pleasure of battling Zambia and Libya. Henry has won WC's and EC's being his teams top scorer in both.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,956 ✭✭✭✭Villain


    Henry any day.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,326 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kingp35


    What a ridiculous thread. And what is even more ridiculous is that some people are saying they would rather Eto'o.

    Henry cant play the role Etoo does at Barcelona. There is no question that Henry is the better player BUT if your asking me if I would rather Henry or Eto'o for that central role I would have Eto'o.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,538 ✭✭✭PiE


    This is a total gem though.
    You should know by now not to pay any attention to his 'factual' contributions.

    Eto'o was given the chance to show what he can really do for the team when he played in Ronaldinho's role while Ron was suspended and failed to live up to his big claims.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,966 ✭✭✭Jivin Turkey


    Kingp35 wrote:
    Henry cant play the role Etoo does at Barcelona. There is no question that Henry is the better player BUT if your asking me if I would rather Henry or Eto'o for that central role I would have Eto'o.
    Barcelona could adapt their style to cater for Henry and they would be a far better side than they are with Eto'o. Or I'm sure Henry could adapt his style to suit Barcelona.

    Either way its a nonsense thread.


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,326 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kingp35


    Barcelona could adapt their style to cater for Henry and they would be a far better side than they are with Eto'o. Or I'm sure Henry could adapt his style to suit Barcelona.

    Im sure they could, i was just pointing out the differences in the roles that they both play at the moment.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,163 ✭✭✭Slash/ED


    Henry, definitely and without a shadow of a doubt. Though the claims of him being the best player ever are laughable not to mention some of the other players who were also put in that category.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,346 ✭✭✭✭KdjaCL


    PHB Henry has WC medal and Euro 2000 medal, what more does he need to do at international level?

    Hes never gonna win either again so would expect crap performs from him.


    kdjac


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 479 ✭✭samb


    Slash/ED wrote:
    Henry, definitely and without a shadow of a doubt. Though the claims of him being the best player ever are laughable not to mention some of the other players who were also put in that category.

    Well I think he is up there with the best ever. Same with the others I mentioned, they are at least in the same league as the 'legends'.

    Yeah all the legends were strikers, like Zico, beckenbauer, frank rijkaard, McGrath, Desailly, Gullit, Nadal, Boban, Koeman, Berasi, Maldini, Costacurta, Maldini Senior, Johan Cruyff, The two De Beor's, Adams, Banks, Seba Rossi... The list goes on, they were all strikers aswell where they?

    If you ask people on the street who aren't real football experts, few of these mains will be mentioned in best ten. Maybe Cruyff and Maldini, McGrath only in Ireland, Adams only in England. I get your point but I was thinking of the very very top legends ever i.e Pele, maradona, Best.. it is these that I think are elevated too far above present day players. A mythology has built up around them.

    Hang on, McGrath and Adams are legends but Henry isn't?
    This sums up my point perfectly.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 479 ✭✭samb


    Not really a fan of his attitude at times he goes missing in games. Also I dont see him as captain material. His femine applause every time a player tries to put him in is not my idea of motivation.

    He definelty can seem a bit arrogant at times but generally I like his style and attitude. His 'femine applause' I think is a genuine aknowledgement to people he knows well, I think they knows what he means. That is his reponse to a good pass, a fine way to communicate. He does go missing sometimes apparently but strangely he nearly always doesn't when I am watching.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,617 ✭✭✭✭PHB


    PHB Henry has WC medal and Euro 2000 medal, what more does he need to do at international level?

    Preform.
    Warnock has a CL medal, doesn't put him as one of the best players in the world.
    Phil Neville has a better medal cabinet than most people in the premiership, doesn't make him a better player.

    Henry still hasn't preformed at the highest levels for me, and despite him being absolutely unreal sometimes, at international level, he hasn't done it.
    That said, I think if he moved to Barca, he'd move up to another level.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,346 ✭✭✭✭KdjaCL


    PHB wrote:
    Preform.
    Warnock has a CL medal, doesn't put him as one of the best players in the world.
    Phil Neville has a better medal cabinet than most people in the premiership, doesn't make him a better player.

    Henry still hasn't preformed at the highest levels for me, and despite him being absolutely unreal sometimes, at international level, he hasn't done it.
    That said, I think if he moved to Barca, he'd move up to another level.


    He has WC winners medal, what more does anyone have to do? He played in all but one game in the WC. Thats doing it at international level 3 goals in 5 games in a WC winning run. Henry does it every week and in the CL......

      94-95 Monaco 3 Goals, 8 Games (-) 95-96 Monaco 3 Goals, 18 Games 1 Games (UEFA Cup) 96-97 Monaco 9 Goals, 36 Games 1 Goals, 9 Games (UEFA Cup) 97-98 Monaco 4 Goals, 30 Games 7 Goals, 9 Games (Champions League) 3 Goals, 9 Games 98-99(déc) Monaco 1 Goals, 13 Games 5 Games (UEFA Cup) 2 Games 98-99 Juventus Turin 3 Goals, 16 Games (-) 99-00 Arsenal 17 Goals, 31 Games 1 + 7 Goals, 4 + 8 Games (Champions League + UEFA Cup) 5 Goals, 10 Games 00-01 Arsenal 17 Goals, 35 Games 4 Goals, 14 Games (Champions League) 2 Goals, 8 Games 01-02 Arsenal 24 Goals, 33 Games 7 Goals, 11 Games (Champions League) 2 Goals, 9 Games 02-03 Arsenal 24 Goals, 37 Games 7 Goals, 12 Games (Champions League) 10 Goals, 13 Games 03-04 Arsenal 30 Goals, 37 Games 5 Goals, 10 Games (Champions League) 5 Goals, 12 Games 04-05 Arsenal 25 Goals, 32 Games 5 Goals, 8 Games (Champions League) 1 Goals, 7 Games 05-06 Arsenal 17 Goals, 22 Games 4 Goals, 6 Games (Champions League)

    What more does he have to do to prive he is world class, score meaningless goals akin to RVN ?

    kdjac


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,589 ✭✭✭✭Necronomicon


    They are very different. I'd pick Henry because I think he's better but Eto'o has different qualities. He's more of a fox in the box. I don't see why you couldn't play them together. If Henry moved to Barca I'd probably sacrifice Messi for a formation like this:

    Ronaldinho
    Henry
    Eto'o


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,026 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    PHB wrote:
    p.s. Henry plays where Ronaldinho plays, which is why I don't kn ow why Barca are after him.

    Drop Deco and play him behind the strikers in that hole...just like where he got into against Chelsea and destroyed them when he scored that goal while flattening Terry. :D

    Ronaldinho

    Henry Eto Messi

    Oh to answer the question, I say Eto primarily because he is younger. I also love his arrogance. It definitely is 50% of his play. I would wet my pants if Barca signed Henry though. That would just be amazing.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 13,018 ✭✭✭✭jank


    This thread again...

    PHB, Henry got Man of the Match in the Euro Champs final in 2002...

    Along with being the 3rd all time top scorer in the CL league.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,221 ✭✭✭Davey Devil


    PHB wrote:
    Henry still hasn't preformed at the highest levels for me, and despite him being absolutely unreal sometimes, at international level, he hasn't done it.

    This quote has confirmed to me 100% that PHB is the biggest shìt talker in the Soccer Forum.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 13,018 ✭✭✭✭jank


    This quote has confirmed to me 100% that PHB is the biggest shìt talker in the Soccer Forum.

    Just look at my sig ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,169 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    If anyone here remembers back to France '98 Dugarry was the main french striker (Henry scored his 3 goals in the group stages, twice against Saudi Arabia, and once against South Africa. The french supporters were booing their team on the way to the finals because they couldn't score, only defenders scored in the 2nd round, quarters and semi's. While Henry has a medal (and deserves it), he was hardly the reason why France won it, and didn't exactly prove himself by it (if he had, he'd still be at Juventus).

    Now, since joining Arsenal he has been one of the best players in the world, but I wouldn't use his WC medal to back it up, but simply point to his record in matches since he became a renowned player. Yes he occasionally goes missing in big matches, but just as often he'll pop up with the winner.

    The only reason for going for Eto'o right now, would be that Eto'o is younger, and you'd probably have a player for 10 years rather than 5. It's just a pity we'll never see his true market value (Henry), as it will be severely reduced due to the year left if he does want to leave in the summer.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,483 ✭✭✭Töpher


    Seaneh wrote:
    he man oozed tecnique!

    I HAVE THE POWER!

    :) Tbh, play both! :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,987 ✭✭✭✭zAbbo


    astrofool wrote:
    If anyone here remembers back to France '98 Dugarry was the main french striker
    What about Stephane Guivarch


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 519 ✭✭✭ianomccabe


    PHB wrote:
    Preform.
    Warnock has a CL medal

    No, No he doesnt


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,163 ✭✭✭Slash/ED


    ianomccabe wrote:
    No, No he doesnt

    I'm pretty sure he does. Irregardless, Traore does, and that's worse.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,117 ✭✭✭✭MrJoeSoap


    Slash/ED wrote:
    I'm pretty sure he does. Irregardless, Traore does, and that's worse.

    http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/N149795050826-0902.htm
    Despite playing his part in last season's journey to the Champions League final, he was left out of the squad in Istanbul and so didn't receive a winners' medal.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,163 ✭✭✭Slash/ED


    I thought that didn't matter, ah well, the Djimi point stands.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,956 ✭✭✭✭Villain


    Steven Gerrard on Henry and his pass yesterday:
    You would want anyone else on the planet for that to fall to, but not the best player in the world."


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