$2/$4 NL Hand

Sparky1808

You sit dit down at a $2/$4 NL game with $300. (max buy-in)

You have no information on any of your opponents, and you are forced to post $4 - you post to find 10 10.

A guy in mid-position raises to $32, I just flat call to take a flop - the flop comes down rainbow 8x 5x 2x, and he leads out betting $64. into the $68 pot.

What do you do, do you fold, call or re-raise?

ianmc38

Sparky1808 wrote:

You sit dit down at a $2/$4 NL game with $300. (max buy-in)

You have no information on any of your opponents, and you are forced to post $4 - you post to find 10 10.

A guy in mid-position raises to $32, I just flat call to take a flop - the flop comes down rainbow 8x 5x 2x, and he leads out betting $64. into the $68 pot.

What do you do, do you fold, call or re-raise?

Why would he make a PFR of 8xBB with a premium pair in the JJ-AA range?

Push.

Edit, as he's unknown it's a more difficult decision, but I'm pressing get more chips here

fuzzbox

Fold preflop.

CoD

You fold preflop!
And here too... with no information you have to put him on overpair.

ianmc38

Well if he open raises 8xBB with JJ-AA he must be a jackass.

Iago

ianmc38 wrote:

Why would he make a PFR of 8xBB with a premium pair in the JJ-AA range?

because he's very bad or he's just had KK/QQ busted by Ax and is still a little sore about it?

plus there's $10 in the pot so raising to $32 isn't wildly out of kilter although I prefer a raise to $15-$20.

anyway, I fold preflop, having called preflop I'm still inclined to fold postflop, so many hands you're behind.

Sparky1808

True - There is a lot of hands out there to beat me.

But I used the theory of how many people raise JJ-AA to $32 preflop. (8xBB) - only idiots to be honest, as these hands don't come about this often and you want to get paid off with them.

...but it is still a difficult decision in anybody eyes.

I'll reveal the outcome later on.

Hectorjelly

I would fold preflop because the hand is going to be too hard to play without a read, and TT isnt that great anyway. If I did call preflop it would be with the intention of pushing on this flop; the pot is too big to smooth call.

Ste05

I'd also fold pre-flop. By calling here, you're playing Heads Up, with a dangerous hand, in an already sizeable pot (10% of your stack Pre-flop).

No matter what comes down on the flop you don't know where you stand. any over card and you are worried. 3 under cards cards and you're still not sure. It might look nice but without any read you should view it the same as you would 66 or the likes. Does he make always make continuation bets, what size are they normally. Does he check raise with crap/ made hands/ draws/ etc. etc.

Without any reads you're really playing this for trip value, and TBH you don't even know your true implied odds, because you don't know how to extract money from your opponent. You don't know will he put his stack behind TPTK, or with an over pair to the board. Is he overly aggressive post flop, passive, a check raiser, etc. etc. Is he a calling station. What does he do to a call, or a re-raise, or a bet etc. etc.

I'd seldomly play the first 10 hands unless I have a solid hand that's easy to play. e.g. in a limped pot, on the button with 78s, etc. etc.

You can't automatically discount JJ+ by this raise, you just don't know the table dynamics yet. This could be a raise with a very specific purpose targeting a very specific player.

Just fold.

a-k-47

fold pre flop without any reads on the player. how ever u did call him. i cant see why he would bet the pot on the flop if he has jj-aa, as he will not make a dime more, call flop bet, if turns a blank, if his turn raise is week then i push. how u get on anyway sparky

Sparky1808

Well as Hector says: I've took the flop, and you can't smooth call it, and I found it hard to fold as the $64 bet didn't add up on the flop, or the $32, so I made the right decision re-raising all-in on the flop with 10 10 on the 8 high flop.

He called immediately with A 8s - turn came Kx ...and river came 5x

...and I took the pot thankfully

"Last 2 cards froze ...bloody hate that!"

a-k-47

nice double up first hand was that on tribeca

Sparky1808

Yeah it was indeed.