poker tracker stats

ocallagh

I noticed Iago posting stats about an inividual session where he was playing ultra aggressive poker. My overall stats from 4k hands are worse than that one session..

32% VP$IP and 14.01% PFR. I also have an LAA auto rating. I used to be a tight player... I have been doing fine at cash since I started, but I think a lot of this is due to some ridiculous pay offs by complete morons. Without those I doubt I'd be too far in the green...

What are the important stats and what should I be aiming at?

Also, what percentage of your profit comes from large pay-offs, compared to grinding? Is this even comparable? Take out any ridiculous pay-offs by fish and how do you stand? I plan on moving up levels quite soon and I need to be certain it's not the fish who are keeping me afloat!

Thanks for any advice!

ps: anyone interested in sharing stats on poker tracker? maybe even full db's?

Hectorjelly

Is that 6 handed? If so that is on the loose side of tight, and its very aggressive. I would be interested in sharing db.

Marq

I would be interested in sharing db details, although I doubt mine would be of much use to people, considering my pokertracker figures mainly consist of low limit PLO and mid-limit O8.

Hectorjelly

Marq wrote:

I would be interested in sharing db details, although I doubt mine would be of much use to people, considering my pokertracker figures mainly consist of low limit PLO and mid-limit O8.

Might be good for some bed time light reading though

ocallagh

HJ, Marq thanks for replies.

yes, 6 handed $0.50/$1 NLH mainly.

I have close to 4k hands, but I think I might disregard the first 2k as they were from when I dabbed in and out of cash tables (and I played some bad poker back then... most of it after a lot of booze). Anyway, if we do share please filter on date, from Feb 1st this year. ..

What is the best way to export the DB?

Iago

Overall my stats are around 26.5% VP$IP and around 7% PFR.

In line with the sharing databases idea would anyone be interested in setting up session reviews?

They have started this on 2+2 and you basically agree a set number of hands at a given limit and play them in one session. Then when the session is finished you exchange them with another player and review each other sessions.

While I think this would be an excellent tool for me, I fear that I may get far more out of it than the person I'm exchanging with. I'm willing to give it a go if anyone is up for it though.

ocallagh

I'm going to upload my stats for the month of February! So if anyone wants to share a few thousand hands, PM me and I'll pass on the URL to download.

In relation to session sharing Iago, I'd also be on for that. How many hands do you think it would take for a decent session? Keep in mind I'm still new to cash and just testing the waters at the moment at .50/1... As you mentioned I have a feeling I'll gain much more from this than others...

handsfree

this my ignorance showing because i don't use poker tracker but what are VP$IP, PFR, LAA. What do they mean and how can they be used to your advantage

Iago

VP$IP is Voluntarily Put $ in the Pot, shows how many hands you play preflop and can be used to define whether a player is very loose or plays tight mostly.

PFR is preflop raise, how often someone raises preflop, again can be used to determine if a raise represents a real hand or just an indication of a maniac

LAA is loose aggresive, aggresive. represents pre-post flop play and is useful to try and establish potential hand ranges on opponents.

Get poker tracker if you play cash games, it'll save you a fortune over time.

Mr. Flibble

Hi. I like to get some feedback on my stats, along with any help regarding interpreting pokertracker stats such as what would you look for when selecting a table.
These stats are from 3.5k hands at .25 .50c all 6 max - and filtered for hands with 4-6 players.




Are there any other PT stats worth posting to help gauge my play?

Also, would someone let me know what they think of my play of AK and AQ (from what they can tell from this). I just feel I'm not playing them to perfection, can't put my finger on it. I nearly always raise from any position with them. I feel I'm loosing too much when I don't flop an A or K...



Be brutal

Hectorjelly

3.5k hands is really very little to go on, 10k will give you a much better idea.

First of all your positional stats are terrible. You should be playing much tighter utg and utg +1 and maybe a little looser on the button and cutoff. For an example, KQo is marginal utg - Id often fold it.

Your AK AQ hands look fine, they arent really big winners anyway.

Lafortezza

From what I've read I think closer to 20k hands is usual to get a reasonable estimate of your win/loss rate.
I remember graphing my winrate a while back, it only evened out after about 17k hands, before that it was up and down alot.

Mr. Flibble

Hectorjelly wrote:

First of all your positional stats are terrible. You should be playing much tighter utg and utg +1 and maybe a little looser on the button and cutoff. For an example, KQo is marginal utg - Id often fold it. .

Do you mean you'd fold to a raise, or just fold KOo utg straight off, talking 6 max here?

Benglian

I have just started playing NLH in the last week. Now not that I am new to poker but I always ALWAYS play PLO, and make money at it. I just never had the patience for NLH.
But the other day I (was drunkl and) tried the short stack method (mentioned in another post a while ago), sitting down at a (9/10? handed)£1/£2 table (on Interpoker) with £50, waiting for a premium hand and then just going all in.
I got called, doubled up but then the drink licked in.
I started playing very Loose/Aggressive, raising/re-raising with a large number of hands and Check Raising allin w all my draws etc.
It was fun! And I got my £50 to £250 before doing it all, then my next £50 i got up to £450 before losing two £200 53/47 shots (pre-flop). Well eventually I ended the session down £200 and kicking myself the next morning for not quitting ahead.
But the next day I thought, just maybe if I stayed sober I could pull it off.
So I tried it. And I did. Pull it off that is. Sat down at a table with mostly the same players and was very LAA.
I will raise first in w any two suited cards, any two pictures, any A... any two connectors, and call a (pottish) Raise. out of the blinds with nearly any two.
Then the tricky part...getting called. It is very VERY difficult to play the flops. Deciding whether to continuation bet, or check Raise, or just check fold.
But I have started playing the other persons likely holding and NOT my cards.
You definately CANNOT multi table at this. It is very draining and quite stressful (when you have just check raised for all your stack with nothing), but ultimately FUN. I cannot possibly play Tight enough to make money that way, but if you sit on a full ring game with a flop % of 25-32% it can be very rewarding playing LAA.
Poker tracker says I am LAA with a VP$I of 38.2 and a PFR of 20.59.
The beauty of it is the others at the table have NO IDEA what I am holding, it could literally be anything.
I have stacked people raising first in w 53s, R and then calling a RR w 74s.
I was PFR and someone laid down JJ on a AA7 flop just an hour ago to my check raise when i was holding 83s..
Then there are the times when you check R with your draw and hit.
And of course I get paid off when I do have a hand!
I sort of got the idea from page 42 of Harrington 1 when he describes the Super-Aggressive style.
I only have 600 hands under my belt playing this way so maybe it's just luck that I am up $1000 with 8/12 winning sessions.

I am very excited about this as four tabling at PLO was getting monotonous, and I can play other sites now too. Previosuly I stuck to Stars because of the PLO action, but I have had good results on UB, Interpoker, and Party playing this way.

I know I will get told to report back in 10,000 hands time but just the mere fact that I am enjoying NLH means I couldn't wait that long to discuss it.

Has anyone else ever tried this approach, and what are your comments on it('besides the 'It's too early to tell!' ones)?

Hectorjelly

Mr. Flibble wrote:

Do you mean you'd fold to a raise, or just fold KOo utg straight off, talking 6 max here?

Fold straight away, definitely fold to a raise. KQo is a bad hand to be calling raises with.

CoD

Well 13k hands, and I'm 28.7% VP$IP and 7.3% PFR
Semi Loose Aggressive/ Aggressive on auto rate

And making 4.9 BB/100 hands.

Also shows I'm $6k up from start of this year from cash games, mostly 2/4 with some 3/6, 5/10 too.... Means I've lost 2k on rebuy tourneys, half of which is prob irish open sats... Think I'll stick to cash!

edit: all full ring

ianmc38

For some reason this month Im having a disaster in online cash games, making the FT in nearly every MTT I play, and doing well in live pot limit games.

Can someone suggest what stats I should compare for Feb and March to see the difference in my play?

Thanks.

Mr. Flibble

I'd like some comments again, any bits of my game you think could do with some work.

(NLH6-max, filtered for 4-6 players)


And would anyone with 10K+ hands played mind checking their Folded To River Bet stat (click more detail in general info). Mine is 65% which seems quite high. Why do I go fo far and fold to a bet?.. Would like to know if this is a normal enough % or if I'm truely a fish.

Hectorjelly

Mr. Flibble wrote:

I'd like some comments again, any bits of my game you think could do with some work.

(NLH6-max, filtered for 4-6 players)


And would anyone with 10K+ hands played mind checking their Folded To River Bet stat (click more detail in general info). Mine is 65% which seems quite high. Why do I go fo far and fold to a bet?.. Would like to know if this is a normal enough % or if I'm truely a fish.

mine is 55.8% over 50k hands

NickyOD

Here are my stats for 7K hands on Party 1-2 6 max tables. At 5K hands I was in the green in all position and up $2.2K but the last 2K hands have beena bit rough, partly bad luck, but mostly overaggression on my part. Don't ask me how I've managed to lose so much in the BB but this is still a very very small sample.

any comments would be appreciated. I'd also be interested in sharing my DB with anyone playing regularly on Party but I think most of you guys play on Tribexxa.

Mr. Flibble

NickyOD wrote:

Here are my stats for 7K hands on Party 1-2 6 max tables.

Did you forget the link..

NickyOD

No bloggerbot is just ****ed up sometimes. Should be there now.

bman

I mostly play SnG's. Is poker tracker worth it for these? Won't your VP$IP and PFR be much higher when it gets to 2-4 handed than at 9-10 handed, and therefore it really won't tell you anything useful?

luckylucky

bman wrote:

I mostly play SnG's. Is poker tracker worth it for these? Won't your VP$IP and PFR be much higher when it gets to 2-4 handed than at 9-10 handed, and therefore it really won't tell you anything useful?

You can filter it for this and it can tell you plenty.

NickyOD

bman wrote:

I mostly play SnG's. Is poker tracker worth it for these? Won't your VP$IP and PFR be much higher when it gets to 2-4 handed than at 9-10 handed, and therefore it really won't tell you anything useful?

I always found it very useful for SnGs, particularly for keeping track of the idiots and their habits. Also keeping track of your ROI and winnings manually is pretty time consuming so why not let PT do that for you?

luckylucky

Just thinking wouldn't it be great if pokertracker kept a track of ur beer consumption... u could enter the quantity of beer u had before each poker session and when u login and u type in 1 beer it might say are u sure? ur win rate is only 1.5bb/100 on 1 beer!
if u said 5 it might say s.thng like ur having a laugh u lose -10bb/100 get outta here
Or if u said 10 u might set ur pc to auto shutdown.