Thoughts on my line here .50/$1 full ring

Iago

I've been playing very aggressively during the course of this session. Stats are 38% VP$IP and 13.5% PFR. Never showdown cards unless we're both all-in.

Villian in the piece has played a number of hands with me during this session and he's folded a lot of hands on the turn to my aggression previously. He seems to be a strong player, wins more often than not when he's involved with hands. Stats are 25.2% VP$IP and 7.8% PFR, but I'm sure he's getting sick of me re-raising all the time

Seat 1 joele1 $167.23
Seat 2 fixmeup $56.70
Seat 3 luvtheriver $76.20
Seat 4 golly $175.60
Seat 5 delica $125.48
Seat 7 Villian $235.79
Seat 9 forrest $67

Seat 7 is the button
Seat 9 posted small blind
Seat 1 posted big blind
luvtheriver folded
golly [Ac Ah]called $1 and raised $4
delica folded
Villian called $5 and raised $10
forrest folded
joele1 folded
golly called $10

Dealing Flop
Board Cards [As 9h 4c]
golly bet $10
villian called $10 and raised $20
golly called $20

Dealing Turn
Board Cards [As 9h 4c 9s]
golly bet $130.60 and is all-in

Thoughts?

fuzzbox

Why not just buy a sign with "I HAVE A FULL HOUSE" on it?

willis

lol at fuzz. Yeh i like your line apart from the turn. He stinks of having a big hand on the flop so if your gonna push the turn ya might aswell push the flop. The 9 is a bad card for you to get paid, and now going all-in is suicide. You make any half decent player laydown AK with this bet

fuzzbox

Just 3-bet preflop - he might have KK or QQ and be ready to go !!

ianmc38

fuzzbox wrote:

Why not just buy a sign with "I HAVE A FULL HOUSE" on it?

I nearly choked on a croissaint reading that.

Iago

fuzzbox wrote:

Why not just buy a sign with "I HAVE A FULL HOUSE" on it?

lol, that was pretty much the point.

Hectorjelly

I like it until the turn

jimbling

ill bet he fell for it.

ianmc38

jimbling wrote:

ill bet he fell for it.

I wouldn't go all-in on that one.

Iago

well I thought the hand was fairly standard up until the turn, and I felt that the turn was the good piece of play. I suppose it's difficult to understand when taken out of context. Very similar to the hand I posted a while back where I raised to $60 preflop with only $4 in the pot and got the initial raiser to push behind me when I was holding KK.

Anyway, villian called my all-in with AsKs before leaving the table right after the hand. While I know that in general this kind of play won't get paid off, it was the right thing in that circumstance.

results orientated thinking again

Hectorjelly

Iago wrote:

well I thought the hand was fairly standard up until the turn, and I felt that the turn was the good piece of play. I suppose it's difficult to understand when taken out of context. Very similar to the hand I posted a while back where I raised to $60 preflop with only $4 in the pot and got the initial raiser to push behind me when I was holding KK.

Anyway, villian called my all-in with AsKs before leaving the table right after the hand. While I know that in general this kind of play won't get paid off, it was the right thing in that circumstance.

results orientated thinking again

Just because it worked doesnt mean it was a good play. In this case given your image it didnt matter what you did, he wasnt folding. Your play was bad because you dont give him a chance to bluff, and make it hard to call without an ace. Both of which he is likely to do.

RoundTower

I think you should bet more on the flop. The pot is $30 and you bet $10. When you bet and call his raise here it doesn't get any more into the pot than if you checked and called a pot sized bet.

I don't know what you should do on that turn. What you did obviously worked, since you said you had a history of pushing hands hard on the turn maybe this was the best way to play it.

RoundTower

Hectorjelly wrote:

Just because it worked doesnt mean it was a good play. In this case given your image it didnt matter what you did, he wasnt folding. Your play was bad because you dont give him a chance to bluff, and make it hard to call without an ace. Both of which he is likely to do.

Do you really think he is paying off without an ace here? With a big pair he will probably check behind and hope to check behind on the river as well, rather than try to bluff golly off an A.

Hectorjelly

RoundTower wrote:

Do you really think he is paying off without an ace here? With a big pair he will probably check behind and hope to check behind on the river as well, rather than try to bluff golly off an A.

He probably wont attempt another bluff, but theres no harm in leaving him rope to. A pot bet on turn sets up a pot all in on the river, which still will get paid off by AK and leave room for him to make a play for the pot if he has a rush of blood to the head. Ive done worse.

RoundTower

Well not really, a pot bet now is completely committal for both players since the pot is $90 and there is only $130 left. Maybe another minibet?

Hectorjelly

RoundTower wrote:

Well not really, a pot bet now is completely committal for both players since the pot is $90 and there is only $130 left. Maybe another minibet?

Sorry I was thinking there was more money behind. 40/50 on turn then all in river would be fine.

fuzzbox

All of these problems would be solved if you 3-bet preflop. This villain is not laying down AK to you preflop. So 3-bet there - and he probably goes all-in.

If he doesnt, then you bet the flop and he goes all-in. If he minraises then YOU go all-in. Game over, insert coin.

When you have a villain who is annoyed with you, and you hold the nuts, do give him a chance to vent his frustration by shoving his chips in !!! This is best done preflop.

Iago

all very good points, and I know that just because something worked out doesn't mean it's the right play. However I have the following points and I look forward to the rebuttal

If I 3-bet preflop there are a lot of hands he folds that I'm way ahead of. The fact that he had AK at the end has no bearing on the potential range I put him on preflop. for me that included AK:AJ, AA:TT.

If I bet $50 on the turn he folds everything except AK, but if I go all-in he has to be confused by the bet. Would I do this if I was holding AA, AK, A9 or 99?? That widens the potential range that he calls with, maybe now his AQ, KK or QQ looks good. Why would I push if I had the hand sown up?

ok the KK or QQ might/should still fold, but my plan was to make him believe that I didn't have the full hand.

RoundTower

I think calling the reraise preflop instead of four-betting is fine. He will probably lay down a lot of hands to the four bet. Although obviously it would be better if you were in position. But you should know not to play those kind of trouble hands out of position in the first place...

fuzzbox

Now Im a big fan of calling a reraise with AA preflop also - however the hero states that villain is getting annoyed with him reraising all the time.

Thus - this is a perfect opportunity to take advantage of that situation.

Make it 25 preflop, and watch him push.