3 6nl River Value

Hectorjelly

I was actually the villain in this hand, but the other guy had an interesting decision. You get A7o on the sb. Utg limps, utg + 1 limps (HJ), everyone else folds. The flop is AJ5. Everyone checks to HJ who bets 15. You call, everyone else folds.

Turn is a 7. You check, hj bets 40 you call.

River is a A. You have a full house. There is about 120 in the pot, you have 500 behind and HJ covers. Do you check or bet? If you check what do you do if HJ bets 200.

I think he is an idiot btw, and this is 36.

CoD

1) Bet 90
2) Push

FastMachine

If you make a decent bet he'll fold if he's been betting the J if and he has a weak ace he'll just call. I'd check the river and let my opponent bet his trips A's. Then I'd cr him all in.

cardshark202

Is it a rainbow board? In this hand I would think HJ's range is AQ/AJ/AT/55 (given the strong betting) and only one of those hands will beat you. You will however be able to stack HJ when he has 55, but you will yourself be stacked when he has AJ. I would be inclined to lead this river because you gain nothing by check-raising in this case. If you lead HJ will call with both AQ and AT and will probably re-raise with AJ and 55. A check-raise will gain no more money as HJ will most likely fold AQ and AT to the cr. If you lead you are essentially controlling the amount you can win from the hand. I don't think AQ can fold to a river bet, neither can AT in most cases.

If you check and HJ bets 200 and i would push and hope he doesn't have AJ.

I have to say, the way this hand was played out I have a feeling HJ had Ace-Jack. I don't think the second nuts can be folded here so i push after the 200 bet by HJ.

Basically I don't think its profitable to make this sort of fold in this position in the long run so i try to get it all in if possible.

Hectorjelly

cardshark202 wrote:

If you check and HJ bets 200 and i would push and hope he doesn't have AJ.

I have to say, the way this hand was played out I have a feeling HJ had Ace-Jack. I don't think the second nuts can be folded here so i push after the 200 bet by HJ.

Basically I don't think its profitable to make this sort of fold in this position in the long run so i try to get it all in if possible.

If you feel like I wont call a reraise all in unless I have AJ then you could just check call, or lead and fold to a raise.

FastMachine

I think checkraising all in is the best option as I don't see many players folding if they're holding an A and have to call 300 into 600 after being in control for the rest of the hand. Yes, a good player will fold to the cr (after they've bet what you would have if you had of lead out on the river) but most of your opponents aren't good. I can even see alot of half decent players who'd call with a limped AQ/AK.
If you lead the river you're letting Ax off the hook way too cheaply, maybe even 55 and JJ.
There's very few opponents who I would just flat call the river with the if they made a 200 bet. There's only 3 or 4 that come to mind.

Hectorjelly

I have JJ here just about never, and I definitely could fold most aces to a check raise all in.

RoundTower

If I make a huge big overpush here, will I get called by 55 or AQ? Remember you think I am an idiot. I think I would overbet the pot here, maybe not all in, but a large amount, and I don't think I'd fold to a raise.

FastMachine

I have JJ here just about never, and I definitely could fold most aces to a check raise all in.

Yeah, but most of your opponents aren't good. I wouldn't be overly suprised to see a limped JJ. Do you see your average 1 tabling 36 villain who's been waiting for a long time for a big hand folding to a checkraise all in with AK/Q/10/5/JJ/55. Alot of villains couldn't even lay down Ax here when they know they're beat, with half their stack in the pot.
This is how I approach this hand against over 90% of opponents, as I say there are just a few where I would call the river. Even then against these opponents I don't think pushing the 2nd nuts is a bad move long term, lower houses using both pocket cards are very hard folded for 2-1 on your money.

cardshark202

Hectorjelly wrote:

If you feel like I wont call a reraise all in unless I have AJ then you could just check call, or lead and fold to a raise.

No I said that that and 55 are the only hands that im certain you will call all in with. You may well fold AQ/AT to a re-raise depending on what you think of the villian. You may also re-raise with these holdings if villain leads which is why i prefer leading. I think check-raising allows you to get away from a lot of holdings that you otherwise wouldnt if villian leads.

At least thats what I meant in the other waffly excuse for a post.

Hectorjelly

The villain flat called my 200, I had 55 and was very surprised to be beaten. Im not sure if I would of gotten away had he checkraised me all in (I would now because I see he played the river so cautiously), and if he had of led I would of raised. I made a note to bluff this guy more often (and I dont often do that)

cardshark202

What an idiot. If he's that worried holding the second nuts he'd be better off check-folding the river lol. Given the action I may have been wary of you holding AJ i certainly wouldnt be check-calling the river. I'd lead for about 2/3rds of the pot and try to get it all in obviously.