ma tips

t_rom/reaper

has any one got any ma tips and addvice

i need addvice on how ta keep it cool goin inta a real fight like in the dojo cause on the street i find it allmost impossible ta think of a move fast enough cause i is so hot headed

wat are you lookin at[lol]

Naos

With regards to thinking of a move, theres 3 steps:

See, Think, Do.
Rule out the 'Think' part.

Dont fight on the street What MA you practise?

Just keep on sparring and eventually it'll come to you.

Takes practice and then lots of practice

kenpo_dave

You could try some meditiation. The key to "keep it cool" in a fight is to control your thoughts. Focus only on the fight. Search the internet for meditation methods and try which ever one you like best.

Good Luck,

Dave.

Ballisong

Hi, i've been training in martial arts for a long time and i've been doing doorwork now for 6 years (full time) and despite all this the adrenalin still hits pretty hard when i know something is about to happen. Controlling the adrenalin is the key to keeping it cool and this comes with time.

As for technique if you have to think about doing it, it's no good you want your responce to be reflexive, by definition a reflexive response is an unconscious one and therefore very fast. Unfortunately most reflexive responses are bad ones i.e. flinching. Thats why we spend hours in the gym doing thousands of reps of a technique so our muscle memory retains it and it becomes reflexive. So you need to put the time into your training and keep drilling your techniques until you do them without thinking about them.

Fighting in the street is not like sparring in class or fighting in the ring, you do not have the safety net of a ref or your corner throwing in the towel if things go bad and things can always go bad, so your best bet is to try to not get caught in that situation, but if it does happen fast and ferocious and if you've trained hard it should pay off.

Millionaire

learn some very simple Close Quater Combat techniques (CQC for short) and drill them and train them 1000s of times, isolate our favourite 2 or 3 techniques and drill them a million times more. at that stage you will not even have to think...the technique will be there before you know it.

Now, this got to be backed up with consistant good hard training, try boxing,Muay Thai, MMA, or even kickboxing (as long as its real kickboxing and not this tag sport point fighting stuff) , learn to punch hard, and get in and spar alot.

Then you will be a lean mean fighin machine....and you'll have little to worry about!

t_rom/reaper

i train in jiu-jitsu and allot of the teqnuiches[spelling] have breaks so we cant spar in our dojo.....we do train with proper full force punches and stuff but my problem is on the street i loose my temper and just start punching and i dont think of any of my teqnuiches.....i am a green belt and have been doing it for about 2 and a half years i was told i have allot of potential by a 4th dan at my last gradeing.......please give me a simple tip to keep cool like in the dojo..not meditation lol

Stop being a jerk and stop getting in street fights. What do you have to prove?

If you really want to test yourself out email John Kavanagh and sign up to fight at Ring of Truth 4.

MarkBrophy

you have a website dedicating to jumping over walls?

Millionaire

You should not be fighting in the streets. It sounds to me, that you want to learn some streetfighing information, so you can go out and fight people.
Thats not one...You won't get any help here.

Its one thing if someone attacks you and you have to defend, after trying all you can to walk away.

judomick

we train armlocks too but we have a useful thing called a tap! ub want o mlearn to punch do boxing

t_rom/reaper

my hole point was older guys try ta fight me cause i cant control my temper and they know im not afraid of them im 16 and my stupid neighbours hate me cause i skate etc
my reason for posting this thread was i dom jiu-jitsu but because of my temper i cant think of any teqnuiches in a fight[i dont start them] and ye seemd like the right people ta ask on keeping it cool but obviously im just a target for abuse here aswell

and on my website thing its an extreme sport called parkour
check this clip out http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...9&q=david+belle

MaxBax

right.

No, I just dont respect people who get in streetfights a lot. Maybe join a thaiboxing club, get hit a bit, learn to deal with the temper- walk away from the fights...

Be a healthier happy person and free run into the sunset.

MarkBrophy

the parkour pics on your site are cool. Sorry you feel the guys are giving you abuse. The way you posed your question made it sound as though you might have been doing martial arts for the wrong reasons.

To address your question; its sounds as though you are practising a traditional form of jui jitsu (green belt, striking involved). my experience with these forms suggests that your style may lack "alive training". You also said you dont practise joint locks when sparring. By isolating specific situtations and drilling them with a resisting opponent it will help to improve your responses in real situations and you might get some of your techniques to work and filter out techniques that dont suit you.

as for losing your temper....well..... you shouldnt be fighting because your angry and you said yourself the reason the pick on you is bcause you lose your temper; so maybe you sould just chill out.

The adrenalin dump experienced when you are in a dangerous situation draws blood into the major muscle groups which enhances speed and strength. This also impares fine motor functions making many of martial arts more fancy techniques difficult to perform. Blood is also drawn away from the brain as it is needed for enhanced muscle performance which is why you cant think straight when atacked. Its also why many people dont remember much of what happened after having been attacked. The concious mind is pushed aside as the reptilian brain takes over. This isnt necessarily a bad thing; but i would recomend concentrating on the more natural movements for self defense as these will compliment your natural reflexes in such a situation

Colm_OReilly

Learn to control your temper.

Stop being in environments where these people picks fights with you.

Get some healthier friends.

Or ignore our advice and continue to get in fights, what yourself get gradually angrier and see your social environment get more destructive.

Peace and Love,

Colm

Mill,
All the talk of CQC stuff, do yo ufind now that since your training clinch almost every day that you are far better at applying the stuff you've learnt CQC wise?

Cabelo

Sidenote: How is parkour extreme? Or a sport?

Naos

You ever see the top lads at Parkour?

Some of their stuff is pretty extreme Cabelo..

Sport: exhibiting a sudden deviation from type beyond the normal limits of individual variation usually as a result of mutation especially of somatic tissue.

Cabelo

Yes, I've seen a lot of the Sebastian Foucan and David Bell stuff, I just don't like everything being qualified as extreme.

Yes, the top lads do some extreme things but I don't think parkour itself is extreme at all... in fact I always thought the idea was flow, rythmn and harmony with the environs. That's how it looks best and it is all about the looks and the harmony; the idea extremity seems to conntradict that.

For your definition of sport you chose the number 7. term... don't be a jerk. Commonly accepted Sport definition

Sport: Physical activity that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often engaged in competitively.


Competetive? I think you lose the point of parkour if you're competetive about it. Oh well, nice to see people mesing up an idea.

This is the same as the XMA garbage. What's the point? be a bloody gymnast.

Dave Joyce

Stop being in environments where these people picks fights with you.

Colm, while I agree with your other points (and t_rom reaper btw, I don't mean this in a nasty way, but you either got to mature a lot or go to anger management of some sort), I feel you have thrown up this type of comment a few times before and did you ever think that some people live in the type of **** hole where this type of thing is inevitable, possibly like t_ron? I used to live in a council estate in Galway (which seen some lovely action again last weekend) where this kind of **** was the norm and confrotations were often. Now for me been the age I was (and the fact that I unlike my wife and kids), was off training most of the time and could avoid a LOT, (mind you, not all of the crap), but a lot of the time either my wife or my kids (aged 4 and 7 at the time and believe me not troublesome kids) had a world of **** and I wasn't prepared to let this kind of **** go. If I was a teenager, (and thankfully my kids weren't), it would have been worse and confrontations would have been regular. What would you suggest in this type of environment? Turn the other cheek, (God help you if you did) or live the life of a hermit and not go outside the door, (would be interesting trying to go to school or the shop) and if you did, then you definatley be a target for the scum.

Roper

I used to hang around with a bloke from the depths of Ballymun. A really nice bloke, soft as kleenex and long hair, musician, easy going.... , if there was a reason for a scumbag to pick on someone, he had it.

But nobody ever did, and more than that, everybody knew him. One day I got curious after we'd walked through his estate and everybody, be they drug dealer or bloke on the street had a hello and a wave for him. I had to ask how he didn't get the ****e beat out of him regularly. He was surprised, like it had never occurred to him that he would be a target. Anyway, he had a think for a bit and said "I dunno, I suppose ther'es just no satisfaction in beatig a guy like me up man". I thought that was classic.

Dragan

Cabelo wrote:

Competetive? I think you lose the point of parkour if you're competetive about it. Oh well, nice to see people mesing up an idea.

Spot on dude, last time i checked parkour came about from one mans attempt to just leave it all behind and run. What more could you want?

A phsycial jounery throught the city he found himself in doing what most people wouldn't. Sweet.

Oh yeah, and one of the whole points of parkour is to acheive some nice inner piece with yourself in this modern urbanised world we live in. Kinda like skating was back in the day!!

Just leave to chill dude, thats the best advice i can give. No one here can tell you a way to go from hormonal raging teen to snapping on arm bars in the blink of an eye!!!

Something tells me when you can snap on the arm bar that quick you won't need to.

t_rom/reaper

tanx for all the help and support guys i agree with pk not being an extreme sport but its the easyst way ta explain doing stunts over things or under for the mater wether or not it has flow

by the way if ur interested in doing parkour join my site=
www.exsoftgames.com/street-reapers/forum
and i will huck ya up with a nearby crew in ur area!!!!!!!!

pk for life!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and on the arm bar is that a complement aimed at me

t_rom/reaper

tanx for all the help and support guys i agree with pk not being an extreme sport but its the easyst way ta explain doing stunts over things or under for the mater wether or not it has flow

by the way if ur interested in doing parkour join my site=
www.exsoftgames.com/street-reapers/forum
and i will huck ya up with a nearby crew in ur area!!!!!!!!

pk for life!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and on the arm bar is that a complement aimed at me

t_rom/reaper

tanx for all the help and support guys i agree with pk not being an extreme sport but its the easyst way ta explain doing stunts over things or under for the mater wether or not it has flow

by the way if ur interested in doing parkour join my site=
www.exsoftgames.com/street-reapers/forum
and i will huck ya up with a nearby crew in ur area!!!!!!!!

pk for life!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and on the arm bar is that a complement aimed at me

Colm_OReilly

Hey Dave,

I went out with a girl from Jobstown (council estate in West Tallaght) for 3 years and spent a lot of time up there.

Sometimes we'd come home late in the evening (4am) and walk by groups. No hassle. Sometimes I'd be on my own cycling/walking through the area, at any hour. No hassle. Sometimes she (tiny girl btw) would be walking through the area. No hassle.

The only hassle we got was from very young kids, either asking us to go into the shops, or waving sticks at us.

I'm curious about this comment:

but a lot of the time either my wife or my kids (aged 4 and 7 at the time and believe me not troublesome kids) had a world of **** and I wasn't prepared to let this kind of **** go.

could you elaborate please, if it doesn't interfere with your privacy?

Also, I think we both agree that it's obvious from the OP posts, that he's causing a lot of his own problems.

Colm

Dave Joyce

Colm and Roper, fair enough but staying there on and off and living in a place are two very different things. Remember one thing, if you guys ever did get hassle, you had one big option which others don't "You could leave the friggin place and not necesscarily return". Secondly, I don't know these places but just because your experiences were alright does not mean that they were safe. Thirdly, its not just the estate in which I used to live that cause countless problems for people living there, there are quite a few others and some of my student's have lived there so I know first hand what they are like.

could you elaborate please, if it doesn't interfere with your privacy

It does, but then I'm not really worried. While 90-95% of our neighbours were very sound and decent people the remainder were nothing but absolute scum. A lot of the stuff my wife suffered was constant petty ****, but we had our windows put in twice, the kids suffered regular harrasment (they were not the only kids putting up with this ****), but a lot of the **** culminated when my 4 year old was beaten up by a 13 year old who was a competitive boxer (and I won't break libel laws by saying who he was related to) because he would not hand over his ball!! Now I know all kids fight but a 13 year old and a 4 year old and the motherfuvker knew how to fight is not what I would call right. However, a lot of people, particularly old folk (which really cuts to the bone with me) suffered very badly with scum joyriding round their houses late at night, drinking et al on these peoples house wall and generally terrifying them late at night.

Dragan

Colm_OReilly wrote:

No hassle. Sometimes she (tiny girl btw) would be walking through the area. No hassle.

I never got or get hassle in Moyross, Southhill or The Island in Limerick when i'm visiting my mates, doesn't mean i'd send teams of Girl Guides in to sell cookies though.