Reaction to a Push before the flop

DeadParrot

An example
today around lunchtime $5 stt on ppp (4 left, top 3 get paid)
Im on the button with 99 with 6,000 villian in the BB
2 limpers
Villian is a desperate sort who in the earlier parts of the game was cleaning up pushing over and over again and very rarely got to see his hand, but in the later stage has been picked off and is now back to just under his starting stack, but is a clear any two face card or ace rag pusher
I've developed a fairly tight persona and anytime im called im way ahead

I raise 4xBB and its is folded around to me
villain pushes
Move?

RoundTower

easy call or easy fold. maybe it's tricky. what are the blinds?

DeadParrot

100/200
should have mentioned is an extended game

RoundTower

DeadParrot wrote:

Villian...is now back to just under his starting stack, but is a clear any two face card or ace rag pusher
I've developed a fairly tight persona and anytime im called im way ahead

I raise 4xBB and its is folded around to me
villain pushes
Move?

So you make it 800 and villain goes all in for less than 2000? You should call here even if you had been stealing with any two cards. Surely you knew this really, or am I missing something?

Rnger

So you have raised to 800 and he has pushed for less than starting chips (lets say 1800 since starting is 2k). You gotta call 1k into a 3.9k pot. I'm calling here.

Overpair is the worst case scenario but this is unlikely according to your read. He could have A8 and then your well ahead. He more than likely has two over cards which is fine for you cuz youve after paying 1k for a 50/50 shot at 3.9k. The fact that you have been tight dosent mean much, I play at this level and these players often wont notice if you havent played one hand. Especially in the eyes of an A-rag merchant

Bandana boy

Similar instance in cash game recently I raise with 99 to 10 and villain comes over the top all in for 80
Now i am convinced that this is two overcards Villain has been at it all night
And he is on tilt having blown a 400 stack down to 90
So "Convinced I am ahead " would you call
your only a % or two ahead it is essentially a coin flip and i am in no hurry to leave table so I can wait for better shots

Marq

Bandana boy wrote:

in cash game

Bandana boy wrote:

Convinced I am ahead

Bandana boy wrote:

call

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The C Kid

Fold. Only ever get your chips in at least 80% ahead. Or better still only when you have the absolute nuts. Ever.

Marq

There are quite a lot of pointless threads these days aren't there?

ianmc38

Marq wrote:

pointless

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DeadParrot

TBH, I know I had to call....
and I did
He shows A3
guess what happened :rolleyes:

Of course he's mouthing off, I knew I had you beat etc etc
ok, wp, nh whatever

Thinking back on it I think my initial bet was too much.
I'm starting to believe on the lower levels of the poker world where I make my home, the chance of a large preflop bet will nearly always draw a Ax hand form a ****ty player, player whom if you raised less would probably fold as there was not enough 'action'
Sounds thick but I've seen it "I would have called if you'd have raised more"
#

ah, what do I know, Im a fish

ianmc38

You WANT someone calling bigger bets with A rag, not the opposite.

Rnger

These low levels have been making me sick today. At early stages, 3 or 4 times i make it 4xBB in early position with AK just to get raised the max. I got fed up and called once just to see him turn over AJ. The jack on turn was there to remind that this is a bad call most of the time!