The Great Poker Debate: Part 2

BigDragon

"It would be easy to win a live 500 runner NL Texas Holdem Tournament if you were dealt JJ every hand." Discuss.

azzeretti

All depends on the player really. Give JJ to an ass clown and he might not know when to play it.
A good player will find it easier than a terrible one.

cardshark202

BigDragon wrote:

"It would be easy to win a live 500 runner NL Texas Holdem Tournament if you were dealt JJ every hand." Discuss.

If you know you're going to get JJ every hand then it would be easy.

Blured

Would the other players not get wise to the fact that you have JJ everytime. Then, they would be able to use this against you and everytime an overcard appeared on the flop, get you off the hand.

I would say it would be very hard indeed to win it

azzeretti

Blured wrote:

Would the other players not get wise to the fact that you have JJ everytime. Then, they would be able to use this against you and everytime an overcard appeared on the flop, get you off the hand.

I would say it would be very hard indeed to win it

I was assuming that noone else knows you get JJ everyhand? So as far as the rest of the players are concerned you have the same chance every round of getting JJ, just cause you have got it 1000 times in the last 1000 hands doesn't decrease/increase the chances of getting in the 1001th hand!;)

Dave

If this were true would your chances increase or decrease for every increase or decrease in pair value?

Jaden

I doubt you could win.

Sure you get JJ in every hand in Omaha.....

handsfree

i think it would be very easy. especially if you know you have jj everytime, you can fold go for a cup of tea and a few biscuits come back and knock some small stacks out. easy peasy

Mmmm_Lemony

BigDragon wrote:

"It would be easy to win a live 500 runner NL Texas Holdem Tournament if you were dealt JJ every hand." Discuss.

It would be easy apart from the first few hands where everyone is on similar stacks. After these you would have enough chips to call 'ANY' two cards and still be well ahead. I would imagine if you went all in every hand from here to the final table, you would be hard pushed to find someone with a stack your size.

pokypoky

This is kind of like the hypothetical AK v QQ world series hand situation that annoys me so much.

Also with regard to this particular situation I think you would me making an early exit a hell of lot more times than usual unless you happen to be an excellent player capable of tippy-toeing your way through the inevitable minefield that is a tournament such as this when your dealt JJ every hand.

RoundTower

BigDragon wrote:

"It would be easy to win a live 500 runner NL Texas Holdem Tournament if you were dealt JJ every hand." Discuss.

I'd say I could win it one time in 4.

cardshark202

pokypoky wrote:

This is kind of like the hypothetical AK v QQ world series hand situation that annoys me so much.

Also with regard to this particular situation I think you would me making an early exit a hell of lot more times than usual unless you happen to be an excellent player capable of tippy-toeing your way through the inevitable minefield that is a tournament such as this when your dealt JJ every hand.

JJ is a monster. You could probably just go all in every hand from the start and as long as you win the first few pots, you will almost certainly in the tourney.

ocallagh

You could play safe at the start and limp into a lot of pots waiting to hit your set. Of course a bit of aggression in late position would be good too. Once you don't go bust in the first few hands I can't see you losing this tournament. You never need to go up against the larger stacks, and when the blinds get large you can really crucify them.

edit: I'm guessing you win this tournament about 35/40% of the time.

BigDragon

pokypoky wrote:

This is kind of like the hypothetical AK v QQ world series hand situation that annoys me so much.

I disagree. The answer to that question is very simple but many think its a difficult question.

Here Im asking if you think you have the skills to win with JJ every hand? Do you think you could do it?

BigDragon

RoundTower wrote:

I'd say I could win it one time in 4.

Care to expand on the maths Dave?

Daithio

cardshark202 wrote:

If you know you're going to get JJ every hand then it would be easy.

On the money there cardshark. Just play alot of small pots, and muck any time there is an overcard. You want to get paid off by hands like A10 A9 hitting top pair. As soon as someone shows too much interest in the pot you get away from it though, and try to keep all the pots small. Position would be very important too. You don't want to be all in preflop at any stage either.

Daithio

ocallagh wrote:

You could play safe at the start and limp into a lot of pots waiting to hit your set. Of course a bit of aggression in late position would be good too. Once you don't go bust in the first few hands I can't see you losing this tournament. You never need to go up against the larger stacks, and when the blinds get large you can really crucify them.

edit: I'm guessing you win this tournament about 35/40% of the time.

Considering you'll hit your set one in seven hands it's nearly a cert that you'll win the tournament. You could even only play post flop when you do hit top set, and you would constantly be increasing your chips. It also depends alot on the structure. If it's slow there'd be much higher chance that you'd win it.

loosecannon

interesting topic i think, for me i think i would definitely go deep in the majority of these tourney's in this situation, and like daithio says it is key that the blind structure is slow so you can take every single flop

i wouldn't agree with the tactic of pushing every hand although it may result in going deep occasionally, esp if you win a few coin flips!

is there somewhere where we could set it up! it would be great craic to give it a shot

cardshark202

Actually, the more I think about it, I can't see myself losing the tournament more than about 1 in 5 times maybe. You can play jacks for set value in both EP and MP and raise the fúck out of it in LP. You could probably call your way to the final table.

pokypoky

Yeah im wrong. Kind of. It sounds pretty easy on reflection. U can fold every flop with overcards and still be pretty certain of accumulating chips.

RoundTower

BigDragon wrote:

Care to expand on the maths Dave?

It was just a guess. If you see every flop and only proceed when you have a set (top set?) you will get unlucky sometimes when you get called by an overpair or a draw or something. Of course it depends on the blind structure and the other players. For example if all 10 players go all in before you every hand, how would you say you end up? Probably win it one time in 30 or so.

hotspur

It would be pretty smooth sailing alright...until you got bounced out on your ear for cheating

Hectorjelly

I think given a slow blind structure and if the other players didnt realise you could win close to 50% maybe more. Ghomoli would have a field day as this is a situation in which it would be right to play very very cautiously, folding if you risk a substantial proportion of your chips at any stage, as you know you will be picking up a high PP on your next hand anyway.

cardshark202

RoundTower wrote:

It was just a guess. If you see every flop and only proceed when you have a set (top set?) you will get unlucky sometimes when you get called by an overpair or a draw or something. Of course it depends on the blind structure and the other players. For example if all 10 players go all in before you every hand, how would you say you end up? Probably win it one time in 30 or so.

If 10 players went all in every hand before you, you could just fold, let them all take each other out knowing in about 10 minutes you'll be heads up and will have JJ every hand until you win.