AA hu

Hectorjelly

Technically this is three handed but myself and the villain have 1k, ss has less than 50. I am on BB with AA. They both limp and I make it 30. Villain, who seems loose passive(ish he will definitely bet 2nd/3rd pair when checked to on the turn but is unlikely to play draws fast or bluff)/bad. We dont have many hands together.

Flop is Th Kd 8d

I bet 30 he calls.

Turn is 2h.

I check call 80 - Would leading here be better?

River is Kc

I check intending to fold to a big bet- thoughts

a-k-47

2/4 or 3/6 hector? tough call he cud be played king rag and afraid of his kicker or was chasing flush draw, think u made a mistake check calling him.. id call the river depending on how big a bet, over 100 id probably fold...then again i cant fold aces lol

Hectorjelly

36 sorry

a-k-47

can you tell us what his bet was on the river?

Hectorjelly

a-k-47 wrote:

can you tell us what his bet was on the river?

That shouldnt influence the advise on decisions up to that point!

a-k-47

yes you should of bet the turn to 80 not calling 80, making it look like your chasing the flush or mpp. he also may want to now represent himself with the king now that he doesnt put you on it,, so i stiil think you are ahead, i wreckon he over bet the set and u called.

Hectorjelly

a-k-47 wrote:

yes you should of bet the turn,

why?

a-k-47

edit above typo.

a-k-47

sorry its late , my grammer is all over the place!:mad:

Hectorjelly

a-k-47 wrote:

yes you should of bet the turn to 80 not calling 80, making it look like your chasing the flush or mpp.

This is an advantage of check calling, not a disadvantage

Daithio

I'd either lead the turn or check raise. I think check calling is probably the worst option. You're left completely in the dark as to where you stand. You think he is unlikely to bluff, but he could be betting here with second or third pair thinking it's good and taking your check for weakness, or he could have a king, or possibly stronger than that. All of the above are possibilities. You should probably have used the turn to ask some sort of question to find out where you stand. Then when the king paired on the river you would have had a much better idea as to what to do.

a-k-47

This is an advantage of check calling, not a disadvantage

yes i know, thats why hes going to represent himself for the king and try push u off, ur in a win win situation unless the boards flushes the river which it didnt, i hope he went overboard and u fleeced him!

a-k-47

he knows where he is when he checks the turn, by his bet , HJ exp at cash tables will know weather he has the king or not. he only called the flop bet after all. hj showed weakness on the turn on purpose, i think he now has a better idea where he is....

Hectorjelly

Daithio wrote:

I'd either lead the turn or check raise. I think check calling is probably the worst option. You're left completely in the dark as to where you stand. You think he is unlikely to bluff, but he could be betting here with second or third pair thinking it's good and taking your check for weakness, or he could have a king, or possibly stronger than that. All of the above are possibilities. You should probably have used the turn to ask some sort of question to find out where you stand. Then when the king paired on the river you would have had a much better idea as to what to do.

I think check raising the turn is really bad in this spot. All this does is tell the other guy, ok I really have a king (or better), so lets him play the hand perfectly from then on. It also sets up a inflated pot on the river out of position with 1 pair, and we are deeep. I like to play every street as profitably as possible, without regard for information.

Check raising would be fine if my hand was stronger or the pot was much bigger.

Daithio

OK, I've taken it then that you're pretty certain he had a king, so in other words the question is how do you get paid off with your aces, assuming he isn't going to suck out on you on the river like he did. Personally though I wouldn't be so entirely certain he had the king, but your reads are obviously good and you have to go with them! So maybe check calling the turn is the best way to do this, but not necessarily. The reason to do this would be to make him think you are flushing, and then when the supposed flush misses on the river make it look like you are attempting to buy the pot. But this isn't the best board in the world to do it on, as there are two possible flushes, so half the deck will scare him off if he has you on the flush draw, and you don't want to scare him off. I think I might just play straight forward poker on this hand and bet the whole way, about 3/4 the pot on the turn, to make it look like you're trying to push him off a flush draw/ push him off a flush draw if he actually has one. If he calls you here then you know he will pay you off for another sizeable bet on the river thinking his king is good.

Hectorjelly

Daithio wrote:

OK, I've taken it then that you're pretty certain he had a king, so in other words the question is how do you get paid off with your aces, assuming he isn't going to suck out on you on the river like he did. Personally though I wouldn't be so entirely certain he had the king, but your reads are obviously good and you have to go with them!

i dont think he has a king, but if he bets big on the river I do.

Daithio wrote:

So maybe check calling the turn is the best way to do this, but not necessarily. The reason to do this would be to make him think you are flushing, and then when the supposed flush misses on the river make it look like you are attempting to buy the pot. But this isn't the best board in the world to do it on, as there are two possible flushes, so half the deck will scare him off if he has you on the flush draw, and you don't want to scare him off. I think I might just play straight forward poker on this hand and bet the whole way, about 3/4 the pot on the turn, to make it look like you're trying to push him off a flush draw/ push him off a flush draw if he actually has one. If he calls you here then you know he will pay you off for another sizeable bet on the river thinking his king is good.

Yes in retrospect that line is seems better againts this opponent, It means I get bet 3/4 pot on turn and river and try and get full value.

Daithio

So what happened anyway?

Hectorjelly

He thought for a while and checked, MHWG afterwards though I felt I had missed a lot of value, AA against a calling station with 200bbs!

fuzzbox

Hectorjelly wrote:

Technically this is three handed but myself and the villain have 1k, ss has less than 50. I am on BB with AA. They both limp and I make it 30. Villain, who seems loose passive(ish he will definitely bet 2nd/3rd pair when checked to on the turn but is unlikely to play draws fast or bluff)/bad. We dont have many hands together.

Flop is Th Kd 8d

I bet 30 he calls.

Turn is 2h.

I check call 80 - Would leading here be better?

River is Kc

I check intending to fold to a big bet- thoughts

What are the blinds?
Are you in the BB?

I bet more like pot on the flop
I bet the turn, as if he is drawing then I dont want to give him a free card, and since he is not aggro with draws, he will check with a draw, so I bet the turn.
River is horrible - so I probably block it (assuming he called my turn bet, suggesting that he is drawing). If it was an offsuit 2 then I would check/call river.

fuzzbox

Hectorjelly wrote:

This is an advantage of check calling, not a disadvantage

Not against this guy - all you do is give him a free card when he is drawing.

fuzzbox

Hectorjelly wrote:

I think check raising the turn is really bad in this spot. All this does is tell the other guy, ok I really have a king (or better), so lets him play the hand perfectly from then on. It also sets up a inflated pot on the river out of position with 1 pair, and we are deeep. I like to play every street as profitably as possible, without regard for information.

Check raising would be fine if my hand was stronger or the pot was much bigger.

Check/raising here is great, if villain will semi-bluff a draw on the turn.
You say that this villain wont do that - so checking the turn is bad.

Bet the turn. Block *this* river.

Daithio

Hectorjelly wrote:

He thought for a while and checked, MHWG afterwards though I felt I had missed a lot of value, AA against a calling station with 200bbs!

Well the pot size isn't going to be too much different if you bet the turn or if you let him bet the turn. Either way you're checking the river when the king comes. Had he checked the turn too it would have been a disaster. It's just not very good for the table image, makes you look a bit tight passive, maybe that's not bad though.

Hectorjelly

fuzzbox wrote:

Check/raising here is great, if villain will semi-bluff a draw on the turn.
You say that this villain wont do that - so checking the turn is bad.

Bet the turn. Block *this* river.

I dont see the point in blocking the river against someone who wont bluff

fuzzbox

Hectorjelly wrote:

I dont see the point in blocking the river against someone who wont bluff

But he might call with a worse hand.

Hectorjelly

fuzzbox wrote:

But he might call with a worse hand.

Yeah I think I should of bet it, folding to a raise obv; allthough I wouldnt call it a blocking bet!

fuzzbox

Hectorjelly wrote:

Yeah I think I should of bet it, folding to a raise obv; allthough I wouldnt call it a blocking bet!

You can call it a scenadafdafaserrr bet for all I care