did I rule right

jem

was ref for the trip to tipp on friday night last and had the following ruleings to make:
1) early on bet out of turn by one player(b) i ruled that the bet stood, that the skiped person (a)had the option to check or raise. if he checked teh raise of €500 stood by player b and the other players would have to but in that much at least to play. if player (a) raised €500, then player b had called and couldn't raise further at that point, if player a raised more than the €500 player had the option to call or fold but not reraise. if he decided to fold then his €500 stayed in the pot.
2) also early (musicians table i think) after betting to the river onle player realised that he had 3 cards, two had stuck together.i decided that since they knew who put what money into the pot that they should replay the pot from the start .(in hinesight i should have ruled that the player with 3 cards was out of pot )
3) final table player a all in on bb pot between player b & c goes to river with big bets on every street. enentually player c bets €60k player b goes over top all in for about €110. player c folds.player b drops cards onto deck forgeting about the small pot with (a). uproar. I ruled player (a) won blinds pot, player b won main pot, and that the cards could not be taken out of muck, player c was mad demanding to know what b had gone over the top with, I wouldn't allow it. I am sure i was right with this one.

Other than these the ref job was easy with sfa ruleings to be done and everyone in good form .

RoundTower

Sounds like you ruled very well.

In a) the first player should be given the option to check or bet, it should be treated as if there is no action to him, so he cannot raise.

b) your hindsight thoughts were correct. With your original ruling there is too much scope for abuse. Someone who realises they have three cards makes a big bet, and now they are freerolling. If everyone folds they muck and win the pot. If someone calls they "suddenly" discover the third card, and get to start the pot again. It is the player's responsibility to make sure he has a valid hand.

c) your terminology is a little bit funny again, but if you mean b gets the side pot and a gets the main pot, this is perfect. Player c cannot see b's hand once it has been mucked.

fixer

I would have thought Player B in scenario 1 should be allowed to re-raise if A bets...but the rest look right.

jem

RoundTower wrote:

Sounds like you ruled very well.

In a) the first player should be given the option to check or bet, it should be treated as if there is no action to him, so he cannot raise.

b) your hindsight thoughts were correct. With your original ruling there is too much scope for abuse. Someone who realises they have three cards makes a big bet, and now they are freerolling. If everyone folds they muck and win the pot. If someone calls they "suddenly" discover the third card, and get to start the pot again. It is the player's responsibility to make sure he has a valid hand.

c) your terminology is a little bit funny again, but if you mean b gets the side pot and a gets the main pot, this is perfect. Player c cannot see b's hand once it has been mucked.

(A) for raise read bet.The table , well one very good looking girl felt that if the skiped person checked then the person whho skiped couldn't bet the €500 or that the €500 was dead money in the pot!!!!. makes you wonder as this girl goes to a lot or touneys.
(B)The player who had the 3 cards seemed very very embarresed and dont think it was meant.
(C) ya maybe typed wrong.

RoundTower

jem wrote:

(A) for raise read bet.The table , well one very good looking girl felt that if the skiped person checked then the person whho skiped couldn't bet the €500 or that the €500 was dead money in the pot!!!!. makes you wonder as this girl goes to a lot or touneys.
(B)The player who had the 3 cards seemed very very embarresed and dont think it was meant.
(C) ya maybe typed wrong.

If there is a very good looking girl at the table, of course you must adjust all your rulings accordingly.

jem

the same girl has a habbit of wearing a low cut top etc to tourneys and in fairness she can wear them.