Any good books for ring games?

ianmc38

Can anyone recommend any good books for ring games? I'm looking to pick up a few for when I finish Harringtons 2nd book.

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jtsuited

super system2. good for nl ring games (as far as holdem goes it's the onle section) provided you can play deepstacked all the time! and the other games (omaha hi/lo etc) are well worth a read!

Mr. Flibble

Is there much difference between supersystem 1 and 2 in the NLH ring game section? I've read 1, would there be much point in forking out for the second one- just for this section?

jtsuited

no not much difference at all. absolutely no point in forking out ss2

Hectorjelly

pot and no limit poker by reuben and ciaffone

Running Bing

Am I right in saying that the ciaffone book and ss are the only books for nl ring games?

Hectorjelly

Babybing wrote:

Am I right in saying that the ciaffone book and ss are the only books for nl ring games?

yeah and they arent really that good

Culchie

HJ, you should set up a website with a subscriber service, and write a few articles and fill this gap for ring games....seriously.

Gholimoli

Pjil gordon's "Little Green Book" is not that bad either.its not ground breaking but deffo worth a read.

fuzzbox

Gholimoli wrote:

Pjil gordon's "Little Green Book" is not that bad either.its not ground breaking but deffo worth a read.

Its hardly for ring games though - its a purely tourney book

Gholimoli

fuzzbox wrote:

Its hardly for ring games though - its a purely tourney book

its not purely for tourney .the sections where his talking about playing draws and sets etc then can be applied to ring games as well. but i agree that its not specifically aimed at ring games either.

ianmc38

Nah i want ring game books exclusively. I've read enough tourney books regarding playing draws, sets etc.

fuzzbox

ianmc38 wrote:

Nah i want ring game books exclusively. I've read enough tourney books regarding playing draws, sets etc.

- do you never flop sets or draws in ring games ?

Running Bing

It is strange that giving the volume of poker books theres only really two for nl ring games. And ss is of little practical use for lower limit nl games and Ciaffones book is ancient(wtf is London lowball?). Is the ciaffone book not good hectorjelly? I was hoping to get it thinking it might be decent enough as hes well regarded.

Gholimoli

i heard Sklansky is working on NT ring book with couple of others.this should be very good and i cant wait to read it.

ianmc38

fuzzbox wrote:

- do you never flop sets or draws in ring games ?

As Gholimoli said, the strategy outlined in tourney books for playing sets/draws can also be applied to ring games.

*/me looks for a tall GG*

fuzzbox

Well what are you looking for in a ring game book?

Take "tourney poker" and use any deep stack sections, and thats what ring game play is about.

ianmc38

fuzzbox wrote:

Well what are you looking for in a ring game book?

Take "tourney poker" and use any deep stack sections, and thats what ring game play is about.

So your deepstacked tourney range of starting hands should be the same as your deep-stacked ring game range based on action before you and position?

My biggest problem in ring games is what hands to play and what hands to throw away.

Alot of the better players I watch seem to have a much broader starting range than me and will often call preflop raises from the blinds with hands such as 79o.

fuzzbox

ianmc38 wrote:

So your deepstacked tourney range of starting hands should be the same as your deep-stacked ring game range based on action before you and position?

My biggest problem in ring games is what hands to play and what hands to throw away.

Alot of the better players I watch seem to have a much broader starting range than me and will often call preflop raises from the blinds with hands such as 79o.

Deep stack holdem = deep stack holdem. Tourney/cash, the game is the same.

The only noticable difference is that you can be more willing to take 50/50 shots in cash games to build "image", than in a tourney, where you go broke if you miss. These neutral EV "gambles" can get you action on your big hands later.

Players who call raises with 79o from the blinds, are usually not very good players.

Edit - little harsh with the 79o.
Players who regularly call any raise with 79o in the blinds, are usually not very good players. Subtle, but important difference.

Hectorjelly

Babybing wrote:

Is the ciaffone book not good hectorjelly? I was hoping to get it thinking it might be decent enough as hes well regarded.

Its definitely worth getting even just for the advice on leading out as compared to check raising, but there isnt a whole lot in it.