Is Hook Dunphy in discuise ?

Macker

First off let me say I was reared on GAA and soccer and don't really know the difference between an out half and a scrum half but I love watching rugby

I was reading the Sindo this morning and Hook states Ireland should win and should be going for a triple crown against England in Twickers after also beating Scotland .
Then on RTE he's asked to predict the result and he states Wales will win ?

When asked the three most important players today he says " BOD ,BOD ,BOD"

All this reminds me of Dunphy always predicting bad results for the Irish soccer team under Charlton ,McCarty while also reminding us Ireland are nothing without Keane ,
Another thing they seem to have in common is their inability to ask a hard question during their radio interviews ,very brave behind a keyboard or giving opinions on TV but not while doing one to one interviews.......

Maybe I'm talking horse poo .......discuss

Sangre

I'm convinced the only thing Hook tries to do is say the most controversial thing he can.

casanova_kid

Macker wrote:

First off let me say I was reared on GAA and soccer and don't really know the difference between an out half and a scrum half but I love watching rugby

I was reading the Sindo this morning and Hook states Ireland should win and should be going for a triple crown against England in Twickers after also beating Scotland .
Then on RTE he's asked to predict the result and he states Wales will win ?

When asked the three most important players today he says " BOD ,BOD ,BOD"

All this reminds me of Dunphy always predicting bad results for the Irish soccer team under Charlton ,McCarty while also reminding us Ireland are nothing without Keane ,
Another thing they seem to have in common is their inability to ask a hard question during their radio interviews ,very brave behind a keyboard or giving opinions on TV but not while doing one to one interviews.......

Maybe I'm talking horse poo .......discuss

In fairness Dunphy did ask the tough questions during his Last Word reign.

Crash

to be truly honest i was so pissed off with Hook after he made a fast turnaround following leamy's stamp.

Hook has for ages been championing leamy as a fantastic player, then to turn around and call him indisiplined and slate him as he did was pathetic.

I've never been a huge leamy fan, but that just screams of bull**** to me tbh.

Chucky the tree

Hook has alot more class then Dunphy. Dunphy is the lowest of the low.


Hook doesnt seem to be as big into to lick BOD's hole as much as dunphy does with keane. Hook is controversial, but alot of the times he is right or close. Dunphy is just a clown.

MaxBax

Chucky the tree wrote:

Hook has alot more class then Dunphy. Dunphy is the lowest of the low.


Hook doesnt seem to be as big into to lick BOD's hole as much as dunphy does with keane. Hook is controversial, but alot of the times he is right or close. Dunphy is just a clown.

Stall the ball there mate.

I was listening to Dunphy on marianne on saturday morning and he seemed very reasonable. he's very outspoken, provocative, contraversial, yadda yadda etc. But he is, at the end of the day, Honest. I think this is extremely important.

Secondly, dunphy and roy keane had a professional relationship. dunphy interviewed him a few times for the book and obviously got ot know him. dunphy never pretends to be a close mate of roys. he just gives him advice about the media when asked.

thirdly, concerning dunphy's anaylsis and commentary, i can't really comment on the non-sporting stuff, but i think he's usually fairly spot on. i enjoy listening to ed comment on the football games etc.

i do agree they're both similar characters within irish media. sports men, turned sports journalists turned current affairs journalists. and they both have a reputation for outspokeness and controversey.

i think gh can be critised for going out of his way to disagree with the other people but i suppose that's what he's paid for. he has a habit of picking the bad parts of good displays or good parts of bad performances.

this whole :

Chucky the tree wrote:

Hook has alot more class then Dunphy. Dunphy is the lowest of the low.

thing seems very unfair and a bit up-your-own-arseness. is it a rugby v soccer thing? middle v working class thing?

Chucky the tree

crash_000 wrote:

to be truly honest i was so pissed off with Hook after he made a fast turnaround following leamy's stamp.

Hook has for ages been championing leamy as a fantastic player, then to turn around and call him indisiplined and slate him as he did was pathetic.

I've never been a huge leamy fan, but that just screams of bull**** to me tbh.

i didnt catch what he said. But what leamy did was indisiplined and stupid, he had no reason what so ever to do it.


What do you expect hook to say? Just because he has been a big fan of leamy doesnt mean he cant criticise him. If he does something stupid/poor he just be criticsed. I would much prefer to see a analsyt(dp) be able to criticse a player they have championed then to ignore the fact they have done something stupid.

Crash

Hook stated that Leamy had been an undisciplined player since his school days and not a team player, and had not been penalised enough over the years.

for someone who had stood there and championed leamys cause for so long, and said leamy was the best player for the number 8 position (which is a joke, i'm of the opinion that theres a huge need for shuffling within the 6,7,8 positions) and also said that he was a strong team player, which he never really has been, is a ****ing joke. whatever about turning around and saying what hook said and criticising him, he should also have the guts to turn around and acknowledge that he was WRONG, rather than pretending like he'd been saying this all along.

edit: as an aside, i think leamy is an undisciplined player who is not good on a team. i think what he did is utterly, UTTERLY wrong and i hope to christ he gets a good long ban out of it.


edit edit: my point here about hook probably isnt that clear - the main point is that hook came out with all this criticism about leamy and his past activities which hook had never revealed before and instead had lauded him as a player, which IMO was both factually and morally wrong

arbeitsscheuer

Hook's always been the Dunphy of Rugby punditry.

That's why Hook and Pope make such a great team: Pope is calm, thoughtful, rational, intelligent and informative. And Hook isn't. Opposites attract, dontcha know...

besty

SebtheBum wrote:

Hook's always been the Dunphy of Rugby punditry.

That's why Hook and Pope make such a great team: Pope is calm, thoughtful, rational, intelligent and informative. And Hook isn't. Opposites attract, dontcha know...

Ah here, do you actually listen to Hook? You think he isn't intelligent and informative? You should try listening to his show on Newstalk on a consistent basis. He is a very good broadcaster (in my opinion obviously)

Trojan

Pundits are entertainers, first and foremost. Their job is to attact viewers to the stations.

People don't say they *must watch* RTE Sport for Conor O'Shea's high level strategic analysis, or John Giles technical breakdowns.

They want love 'im or hate 'im characters - and that's what ED and GH give them (along with some quite good analysis too).

No disrespect to Gile and COS here - I think they're quite good too - as non-entertainers, and might be taken more seriously.

shmaido

crash_000 wrote:

edit: as an aside, i think leamy is an undisciplined player who is not good on a team. i think what he did is utterly, UTTERLY wrong and i hope to christ he gets a good long ban out of it.

God wouldn't it be sweet if he did get banned for a while, it would finally force EOS to rejig the backrow and finally put in a real number 8 in like Foley or by some miracle Heaslip, then we might see a proper backrow in operation.

Davei141

Yeah, lets hope one of our best performing player gets banned. :rolleyes:

shmaido

Sure he's performing no question about that but theres a better backrow combination out there and everyone knows it,I'm just saying that if he got banned it might mean EOS could fall in to getting it right by accident, which is his style of coaching don't you know.

Chucky the tree

MaxBax wrote:

thing seems very unfair and a bit up-your-own-arseness. is it a rugby v soccer thing? middle v working class thing?

YOu mean i am being snobby? If you look at my signature and majority of my posts i am quite clearly a soccer fan. It has nothing to do with me thinking that since dunphy comments on soccer he must be classless. It the chaps actions that give people the impression that hes a tool.

Davei141

shmaido wrote:

Sure he's performing no question about that but theres a better backrow combination out there and everyone knows it,I'm just saying that if he got banned it might mean EOS could fall in to getting it right by accident, which is his style of coaching don't you know.

I completely agree the backrow needs a rejigging, but not at the expense of leamy being banned. Id rather see leamy play 6 with JOC/gleeson at 7 and wallace at 8. I think easterby needs a game on the bench to show hes got competition.

arbeitsscheuer

Er... I think we're getting a bit off-topic lads!:p

This thread is meant to discuss the similarities and relative merits of Hook vis a vis Dunphy. If you wanna discuss EOS' selection problems and/or errors, then starting a new thread would probably be a good idea...

Just an idea.

psicic

Hook and Dunphy don’t even compare, in my opinion.

Dunphy was always taking the righteous, moral high ground, even when he was plainly wrong – don’t agree with Dunphy on point X, then you’re wrong about this and everything else. Try and defend yourself, or actually prove Dunphy wrong? Well, time for Dunphy to storm out and blab all to the papers – sometimes in mid-show.

Hook (and I’m only talking about rugby analysis here) never seems to have taken the same leap into egotistical over-importance. He’s over-the-top, assured of his own convictions and sometimes rude – but never as insulting or as low as Dunphy got.

As for the validity of his opinions – well, I strongly disagree with him sometimes. However, he’s the only one of the commentary team that said that if there’s a problem with the performance of the Irish team, EOS has to take responsibility. He has fairly criticised certain players when playing badly who no one else seems to…in short, he’s arrogant enough that he feels safe enough to criticise members of the ‘old boys’ club’ that certain people seem to think (however temporarily) are untouchable. Pope isn’t outspoken in the same manner, but his analysis is insightful and useful. Again, even if you don’t agree, it at least makes you think.

As a pair, they are obvious entertainment that help open up the intricacies and tactics of the game to a broad audience.

On the other hand(and since I've already brought Pope into this:p ), Connor O’Shea is not great addition – and I wonder how necessary he is. He is neither insightful enough nor entertaining enough to be a strong addition – and seems to trot out a prepared script of blandness that may as well have come from EOS’s own mouth.