Call or fold?

ianmc38

Villain seems like a good player. Nit much of a read don him. Has shown down lot of winners. VEry aggresive preflop and postflop.

Table Name Hand ID Game Stakes
Dumb and Dumber 6412463-31201 Holdem No Limit $2/$4
[Feb 26 02:12:30] : Hand Start.
[Feb 26 02:12:30] : Seat 1 : Im_So_Money has $745.25
[Feb 26 02:12:30] : Seat 2 : cantwelp has $149.50
[Feb 26 02:12:30] : Seat 3 : geeforce1 has $735.80
[Feb 26 02:12:30] : Seat 4 : mike44 has $561 ssive preflop
[Feb 26 02:12:30] : Seat 5 : gadunne has $419.25
[Feb 26 02:12:30] : Seat 6 : tiltin fish has $316.50
[Feb 26 02:12:30] : tiltin fish is the dealer.
[Feb 26 02:12:30] : cantwelp posted small blind.
[Feb 26 02:12:31] : geeforce1 posted big blind.
[Feb 26 02:12:31] : Game [31201] started with 5 players.
[Feb 26 02:12:31] : Dealing Hole Cards.
[Feb 26 02:12:31] : Seat 6 : tiltin fish has Kh As
[Feb 26 02:12:33] : mike44 folded.
[Feb 26 02:12:33] : gadunne folded.
[Feb 26 02:12:36] : tiltin fish called $4 and raised $16
[Feb 26 02:12:40] : cantwelp folded.
[Feb 26 02:12:45] : geeforce1 called $16
[Feb 26 02:12:45] : Dealing flop.
[Feb 26 02:12:45] : Board cards
[Feb 26 02:12:47] : geeforce1 checked.
[Feb 26 02:12:50] : tiltin fish bet $16
[Feb 26 02:12:56] : geeforce1 called $16
[Feb 26 02:12:56] : Dealing turn.
[Feb 26 02:12:56] : Board cards
[Feb 26 02:13:04] : geeforce1 checked.
[Feb 26 02:13:09] : tiltin fish checked.
[Feb 26 02:13:09] : Dealing river.
[Feb 26 02:13:09] : Board cards
[Feb 26 02:13:12] : geeforce1 bet $64
[Feb 26 02:13:26] : It's your turn.
[Feb 26 02:13:26] : tiltin fish has 10 seconds to respond.

valor

Insta fold. Theres no hand he can have your ahead of really, he may have called on flop with qj, or 87, both of which are ahead of you..theres no missed flush draw for him to bet either

Hectorjelly

If he is playing aggressive then call, your certainly ahead here some % of the time and you will get some info from whatever he shows down here. From my experience of the opponennt I would fold.

MrPillowTalk

I think its a fold.

If you lead at the turn it might be a call but if your opponent is aggresive I cant see how you wouldnt be able to find a better situation to get it in than this one.

Fold let him think he owns you, reraise with the nuts watch him pay you off

Hectorjelly

MrPillowTalk wrote:

Fold let him think he owns you, reraise with the nuts watch him pay you off

If you wait for this then he has owned you

ianmc38

His check on the turn was either weakness or an attempt to trap. I didnt think he had a ten and with the rest of the rags on the board, I thought the only thing he could be beating me with was an overpair, but he would normally reraise preflop with this.

I figured that calling here will probably be EV over a long period, or either marginally + or -. I called an he had KJ :eek: and then abused me for ten minutes in the chat window.

HJ can you empty out ur inbox, ive tried pming you but it says full.

Running Bing

Fold without a shadow of a doubt. You have absolutely nothing and its a very scary board. realisitic chance hes bluffing but its not worth it to find out.

djkeogh

it's nice to take the pot with your call but i don't think i can justify calling that 9 times out 10. I'd fold. Chasing hands like this will cost you over time i think.

ianmc38

djkeogh wrote:

it's nice to take the pot with your call but i don't think i can justify calling that 9 times out 10. I'd fold. Chasing hands like this will cost you over time i think.

Well I think that 50% of the time, I'll win this pot.

Added to this, everyone at the table is suddenly opening up their notes, saying that I'll call large river bets with Ace high.

1. They'll think twice about trying to buy hands against me with nothing
2. They may overbet big ones thinking i'll pay them off

If this call is EV or slightly -EV I still think it's big +EV, if that makes sense