New President.

The_Minister

Who is everyone going to vote for : Haydn or Ní Theasaigh (however you spell it). I can't decide. Haydn is probably the best candidate, but Orla(that i can spell;) ) also has good ideas, experience and is pretty.

hullaballoo

Orla Ní Threasaigh ftw!

Scraggs

ya forgot to mention that other tool...

Dan ftw he's sound out, experienced, knows what he's doing, well respected and he's just cool! Ni Threasaigh isnt experienced enough and doesnt seem to have realistic plans to put promises into action. She'll poll well though...

Oubliette

Dan's the man !

snickerpuss

Ni Threasaigh for me.

Dave!

Orla Ní Threasaigh = HAWT.

But I won't be voting for her.

rain on

if I wasn't going to be on another continent during the election, I'd go for Hayden. hopefully I'll be able to bully my other half into voting for him instead.

Scraggs

probably the only time i'll ever endorse bullying...go for it Rain On


Oh yeah Dans a carlow man!

Riamfada

Yeah Dan has my Vote too. Looks like hes going to go and walk this erection election

HappyCrackHead

im voting for Enda Duffy... you know "the other candidate" the one who gives you cheap coffee; all three candidates are talking about the rip-off campus and only one has actually done anything about, he's one who worked activly on the grants campaign and the modularisation campaign, meaning a second year arts and law students dont have to endure this debackle. The guy is top notch. remember the students union exists because the university doesnt always [lets be honest NEVER] have the students best interests at heart.

Duffy's the man

try remembering anything dan hayden has done as Welfare officer, part from free condoms.

Riamfada

i mean Enda... im voting for Enda..




I am voting ov my own free will

tintinr35

dan is too nice to be in a position where it is necessary to stand up to the college authorites, think he will just buckle!!
enda all the way

ferdi

Dan. i know him through friends. a sound man.

arbeitsscheuer

HappyCrackHead wrote:

im voting for Enda Duffy... you know "the other candidate" the one who gives you cheap coffee; all three candidates are talking about the rip-off campus and only one has actually done anything about, he's one who worked activly on the grants campaign and the modularisation campaign, meaning a second year arts and law students dont have to endure this debackle. The guy is top notch. remember the students union exists because the university doesnt always [lets be honest NEVER] have the students best interests at heart.

Duffy's the man
try remembering anything dan hayden has done as Welfare officer, part from free condoms.

Concur. He's actually a much shrewder political operator than most students give him credit for, which will probably kill 'im in the election. He's a top bloke, an idealist and one who's prepared to work his ass off to realise those ideals.

If there were more students like Enda, I wouldn't be so fcuking glad that I'm leaving this godawful place in 2 months...

Oh, and RON is my #2 (yaaay, I finally worked out the PR-STV system!!!:o )

Dan's the man. Known him a while and he will do good.

The_Minister

I didn't mention Duffy because there is no way i am voting for him, because:
1. He has played down his role in Labour youth (I only today found out he was auditor) to gain votes.
2. He is an active member of Labour Youth and I don't believe the president should use the union for political goals. Lets face it if he gets in the SU is going to endorse every Labour rally and campaign.
3.I think he is a careerist.
4. He makes my skin crawl.
5. I think that he is so desperate after losing last time that he will promise anything to get in.
6. I think (like 2.) that he will campaign on things that are no business of the SU.

arbeitsscheuer

*Sigh* The eyes are open, the mouth moves, but Mr. Brain has long since departed, hasn't he, Firespinner?

panda100

SebtheBum wrote:

Concur. He's actually a much shrewder political operator than most students give him credit for, which will probably kill 'im in the election. He's a top bloke, an idealist and one who's prepared to work his ass off to realise those ideals.

If there were more students like Enda, I wouldn't be so fcuking glad that I'm leaving this godawful place in 2 months...

Oh, and RON is my #2 (yaaay, I finally worked out the PR-STV system!!!:o )

Ha-enda a shrewd political operater!hmmm thats why he beat dave c last year??

Enda was chosen to stand for election cos he's the best of a bad bunch of the hardcore left still left in UCD.They had no one else to run so had to go with Enda and believe me he's no paul dillon.Paul dillon had charisma,personality,focus and didnt back down on his princiles.We can already see how Enda has toned down his lack of involvment with labour saying he's merely a 'member' and how suddenly he's all pally with USI.

His rip-off campaign as I have stated numerous times is a platform for this presedential election.As I said if he REALLY REALLY wanted to go about ending the rip off he would have listened to us fair trade campaigners in finding out facts and figures about what the cheapest option availavle and present it to the managers etc.

If you only want to see Dans experience then just read the back of his manifesto.He is not one to stand out side the arts block hollering at anyone who will listen to get attention.He's actually done some decent,hard slog work and found out information about bulk buying to end the rip-off.REAL answers!

Also Dan has converted the much in crisis creche to a non profit organisation and with 40 or so extra places.
Enda Duffys solution to the crech problem would be to placard and protest outside the creche.Would this have changed anything?NO
Would he have got publicity?YES

Dans' solution to the solution:work hard with the parents and college authorities in finding a solution to the creche problem.
Did this work?YES
Did he get publicity for this?NO

Case proven!! Vote Dan!!

Jonny Arson

This thread is crying out for a poll which gives you a choice between ''a giant douche'' or ''turd sandwich''!!!! C'mon mods.... ADD IT!

DaveMcG wrote:

Orla Ní Threasaigh = HAWT.

That motion is seconded by me my friend....

Orla

in comparison to her contenders

Dan

Enda

we all know who's lads choice!!!


Anyways, seriously Dan seems to me to be the best of a not so great bunch.

I don't know Dan but I've only heard good things about him and from what I see he's the candidate who I feel I can put more trust in. His and Enda's manifesto's both look good but personally I do has reservations about Enda as a president even though I feel he has more charisma over Dan which is alwayas badly needed for a SU president. I haven't seen Orla's manifesto so I'll give her a chance with regards to that but maybe the lack of SU experience and knowhow may be to her detriment.

Dave for Vice again. No one should be voting for RON tbh.

I'm split between Education.... both candidates I reckon would make very good officers.

I'm also split between welfare.... I haven't seen either of their manifesto's so I can't really give much insight to them.

I don't have f**kin' clue who I'm gonna choose between the 500 million students running for Ents.


Remember kids.... vote or DIE!

The_Minister

Zane from MTV2 wrote:

Orla

This photo should be made freely available around campus.......

Zane from MTV2 wrote:

I'm split between Education.... both candidates I reckon would make very good officers.

I'm also split between welfare.... I haven't seen either of their manifesto's so I can't really give much insight to them.

I don't have f**kin' clue who I'm gonna choose between the 500 million students running for Ents.

Don't care about Ents.
Welfare, think i'll vote for michelle. She is also in Labour Youth but she strikes me as someone who can get past that and look for the greater SU, so I wouldn't hold that against her. She impressed me in person.
Education, probably the dude but its close. The girl seems well meaning but every time she speaks i just hear "squeak, squeak, squeak....". I don't know why.

larryone

I'll be voting for everything except president on the flip of a coin.
I've made my mind up for president.

Young Siward

panda100 wrote:

Ha-enda a shrewd political operater!hmmm thats why he beat dave c last year??

We can already see how Enda has toned down his lack of involvment with labour saying he's merely a 'member' and how suddenly he's all pally with USI.

His rip-off campaign as I have stated numerous times is a platform for this presedential election.As I said if he REALLY REALLY wanted to go about ending the rip off he would have listened to us fair trade campaigners in finding out facts and figures about what the cheapest option availavle and present it to the managers etc.

Correct me if i'm wrong here but by all accounts DC broke the labour-no-campaigning-pact at the last minute last year which helped him win by a small margin.

As for the Rip off campaign Enda has been doing that since the start of the academic year, so it's a bit rich to say it's purely a presidential-campaign tool. Dan Hayden hopped aboard that campaign not so long ago...so don't give us that lol!!

I could go on but I'm knackered. It's all a bit too serious for it's own good tbh. I'll probably end up picking Enda over Dan, both are nice guys though.

Syth

I don't care. I'm going to sell my vote like I did last year. I'll vote for whoever gives me the most money.

pretty*monster

Firespinner wrote:

Education, probably the dude but its close. The girl seems well meaning but every time she speaks i just hear "squeak, squeak, squeak....". I don't know why.

I have a high pitched voice. It isn't something I can help

panda100

Young Siward wrote:

Correct me if i'm wrong here but by all accounts DC broke the labour-no-campaigning-pact at the last minute last year which helped him win by a small margin.

As for the Rip off campaign Enda has been doing that since the start of the academic year, so it's a bit rich to say it's purely a presidential-campaign tool. Dan Hayden hopped aboard that campaign not so long ago...so don't give us that lol!!

I could go on but I'm knackered. It's all a bit too serious for it's own good tbh. I'll probably end up picking Enda over Dan, both are nice guys though.

You make absolutely no argument against me young siward so I wish you had gone on.....
All Enda has going for him is the end the rip off campaign,which he's been been struggling with since the beginning of the year.As I have stated previously numerous times the fair trade campaign started after Enda started his end the rip off campaign and we got results quicker!Enda and his campaigns has the pace of a very slow slug taking the scenic route.He makes a lot of noise but gets no results!
Dan solved the creche problem within 2months!
Dan is the better candidate cos he gets results quickly and efficiently.

Give me an example of Enda duffy actually effectively changing something on campus and I'l listen to your argument,young siward.

I like Orla too but in alll fairness being an Irish languauge officer,just like the womens officer really doesnt give you any experince.

student-type

If you only want to see Dans experience then just read the back of his manifesto.He is not one to stand out side the arts block hollering at anyone who will listen to get attention.He's actually done some decent,hard slog work and found out information about bulk buying to end the rip-off.REAL answers!

Also Dan has converted the much in crisis creche to a non profit organisation and with 40 or so extra places.
Enda Duffys solution to the crech problem would be to placard and protest outside the creche.Would this have changed anything?NO
Would he have got publicity?YES

Dans' solution to the solution:work hard with the parents and college authorities in finding a solution to the creche problem.
Did this work?YES
Did he get publicity for this?NO

Case proven!! Vote Dan!!

To be honest panda (and others) you seem to be displaying a very shallow understanding of student issues, if you're still planning on running for welfare year a more critical approach to might help to you recognise some of the issues.

I fully agree with you that Dan comes across as a lovely bloke and I'm sure he was very approachable to anybody with problems during the year. He seems to care about student’s issues and I admire that.

However by turning this debate into a sort of slagging match where you just throw out claims about different candidates without backing them up or looking at the issues in detail, we're lowering the standard of debate and getting rid of the opportunity to actually inform ourselves of whets going on.

Firstly and most importantly if Dan has got great ideas to improve our union, why didn't he implement them this year as full time student union officer? If it was a lack of time then why not ask the appropriate officer to provide the service or ask the research officer to investigate if his proposals are feasible.

I think this seems particularly evident in the 'Rip off Campus campaign' where the prices of tea, hot water and food in franchises are criticised. The student union shop charges as much for hot water as the cafe in the arts block does. As an officer he had the opportunity to do more than the students who only had time to give and so helped out on the tea and coffee stall, why didn't he?

Again with bulk buying, why wasn't it brought in this year (although it seems to me the SU caters for 22'000 students, surely they already buy in bulk)? Also I'm in the SU everyday and I've never seen any signs for €3 12pack condoms.

I also seem to remember Jen Allen starting the process of the crèche negotiations, and Shane Hennelly carrying them on. Is Dan just taking credit for the work done by his predecessors?

Finally and most importantly I believe than Dan as welfare officer oversaw the introduction of a charge for the UCD medical centre in order to fund extra staff. Seriously whets the point of cheaper tea if you're bringing in charges in other vital services? Where were the campaigns for extra funding for the college? When did he ask the students if they though this was a good idea? Where is the guarantee that this charge will not be increased in the future?

I can't see how Dans record is great at all, As for Enda well he seems to have put the hours in this year on various campaigns and helped start the student co-op, I couldn't care less how ofton he mentions he's in labour and I think he deserves a chance to see if he can do it.

Blush_01

Surely the charge was considered and then dismissed? I know I used the medical facilities at the beginning of this month and was never asked to pay anyone anything, apart from the pharmacist for my medication? I know it's an aside, but I feel bad if I've ripped off the medical services when the charge is implimented in order to expand the services available.

anonymous_joe

Don't know enough to vote, so feel no point voting. Abstaining ftw!

pretty*monster

anonymous_joe wrote:

Don't know enough to vote, so feel no point voting. Abstaining ftw!

Well... you could drop by the arts block, leaf through some manifestos, quiz the candidates (or the campaign teams if they're not around), stall it to the hustings, read the Tribune and the Observer analysis, or one of the above...

The info's all out there, though, when I put it down like that it does seem like a lot of work.

anonymous_joe

pretty*monster wrote:

Well... you could drop by the arts block, leaf through some manifestos, quiz the candidates (or the campaign teams if they're not around), stall it to the hustings, read the Tribune and the Observer analysis, or one of the above...

The info's all out there, though, when I put it down like that it does seem like a lot of work.

See my point?

Besides, I'm genuinely ignorant of the workings of all this, so I've no idea who I'd be voting for, nor would I know what I'm voting them into...

What percentage vote in these things anyway?

arbeitsscheuer

anonymous_joe wrote:

Don't know enough to vote, so feel no point voting. Abstaining ftw!

Uh.... RON?




/aside: Dumbass...

anonymous_joe

Huh? I'm not a dumbass....

Just lazy...

I swear...

arbeitsscheuer

anonymous_joe wrote:

Huh? I'm not a dumbass....

Just lazy...

I swear...

Yeah I know...

Besides, it was a "pot-kettle-black" comment from me anyway - Sure I didn't vote in 1st year in Sabbat or Class Rep elections...

Mind you, experiencing the resulting nightmare of a Union, I made certain I voted in the subsequent election.

Suffice it to say, all but one of the candidates I voted for lost.
The exception was Dan.
Nuff said.:(

Pythia

Enda Duffy used to be in Ogra Shinn Fein.
Enough said tbh.

panda100

Reply to student type:Dan was welfare officer this year.He stayed focused on his job and couldnt run other campaigns,such as end the rip off when he was in a welfare position.He was dedicated to the position that he won and it wouldnt have been right if he spend his time on non-welfare campaigns as you suggested he should have done.

Also you say I have a very shallow understanding of student issues and then you say this: 'Seriously whets the point of cheaper tea if you're bringing in charges in other vital services?

As a welfare officer which do you think should be Dans primary concern-funding extra staff for the health services or the price of a cup if tea??
I would be shocked if Dan,this year,put the price of a teabag before the price of students rights to a decently staffed health service.
The fact that Dan is running for president shows that he realises how much is to be done for us students in UCD and welfare,while he did a good job with that,it was too constricting for everything that he wants to get done.

An Bradán Feasa

Elisa, it's worrying that you only have bad things to say about Enda Duffy, and that you can't even give credit where it's due, especially with regards to the tea and coffee stand. That has been going on since the middle of the first term, whatever the weather. To call it electioneering, or whatever you said it was, just doesn't make sense. And you asked for an example of what Enda has achieved so far out of the tea and coffee stand? The price of a coffee in O'Brien's in the Sports Centre has been reduced, after discussions took place between the management and Duffy.

If you have a personal problem with Enda, well that's your choice. If you don't like him, just say so. But to attack the initiatives he has taken as a student activist really pisses me off.

On a point about Dan, he turned up to the coffee stand ONCE. Guess when? The day nomination forms came out for the elections. I'll let you figure that one out. It's saddening that Dan would mention his involvement in this campaign in his manifesto, it really is. Where was he since November of last year? When all the hard work was being done, where was he?

Feel free to reply, but I rarely use boards.ie, so I may not see it, so if you wanna continue this discussion, I'll be around the Arts Block all of next week, canvassing for Enda Duffy, of course.

Til then,

Darragh

panda100

Id just like to say I'm not attcking anyone personally.Its annoying when this is said continually to diminish my argument cos its jus not true!!I will give Enda credit where its due but I just really really dont think it is due.With both Michelle and Enda I dont think they have done anything actively good for causes in UCD this year.There continual argument is 'well what have you done,why dont you run etc etc'. I think this is an awful attitude to have as I think many people can be involved with things and not boast about it,something which Dan does.

While I respect the amount of time Enda has given to the boycott arts cafe campaign I cannot applaud him for it being effective.Darragh,if you want to read previous posts where I have compared our fair trade campaign which has been extremelly effective to Enda's slow moving campaign.Has he gone into talk to manangers of the restaurants?Has he looked into cheaper options from wholesalers and presented this information to the managers?Has he rallied for a free hot water machine with teabags and coffee at cost price uptill 10.00 in the su shops/student centre for those studying late?These things take effort,a lot of backround work and time.

I'm sure i'l see ya this week Darragh anyways cos you didnt finish telling me bout why you put forward the motion of no confidence in jimmy and was looking forward to hearing your reply!:)

Stabshauptmann

Pythia wrote:

Enda Duffy used to be in Ogra Shinn Fein.
Enough said tbh.

You're big on the whole branding people and trial by association arent you?

So Dan and Enda are both sociaists, both active in youth politics, both trying to end the rip off.
Enda is a bit ruthless / cheating bastard with the poster campaign.

Anybody know anything about orla?

BTW who has control over the SU budget and control over the shops?

Stabshauptmann

panda100 wrote:

Id just like to say I'm not attcking anyone personally.

A lot of your posts in several threads look like personal attacks and sour grapes to me.

Its annoying when this is said continually to diminish my argument cos its jus not true!!

I remember you attacking vainglory with false allegations, which when refuted, you repeated.

I will give Enda credit where its due but I just really really dont think it is due.

With both Michelle and Enda I dont think they have done anything actively good for causes in UCD this year.

Everyone is inept. You'd do a better job, but you're not bitter, you didnt want to run for welfare...

singingstranger

panda100 wrote:

I'm sure i'l see ya this week Darragh anyways cos you didnt finish telling me bout why you put forward the motion of no confidence in jimmy and was looking forward to hearing your reply!:)

Council tonight at 6pm in Theatre N if anyone's interested! Come and see the big names in action.

I'll be the dude at the bottom with the blue top looking smug at not having to take minutes.

The_Minister

singingstranger wrote:

Council tonight at 6pm in Theatre N if anyone's interested! Come and see the big names in action.

I'll be the dude at the bottom with the blue top looking smug at not having to take minutes.

Never been to one of those. What happens?

singingstranger

Motions on notice (http://www.ucdsu.net/newswire.php) are voted on. This time around there's a motion of No Confidence in James Carroll which should be interesting.
Also Officers Reports and this time around (possibly) the election of a new chair - you might get to see ye olde Pierce Farrell in canvassing mode looking to be the new deputy Chair or something - and nominations of UCDSU's reps to USI National Congress from March 20-23 in Ennis.

Chinafoot

student-type, panda and An Bradán Feasa, please stop using this forum to canvass for and against the candidates. If you want to say who you are voting for and why then go ahead. You don't need to try and sway people's votes here.

Everyone here has the ability to make up their own mind about all of the candidates. God knows there is plenty of information floating around the place.

panda100

Kaptain Redeye wrote:

A lot of your posts in several threads look like personal attacks and sour grapes to me.


Everyone is inept. You'd do a better job, but you're not bitter, you didnt want to run for welfare...

If my previous posts looked personal-I is sorry.
I suppose its a bit difficult not to get personal in an election in UCD where everyone sorta knows everyone specially when it comes to union elections.

Just to even the playing field with my posts,even though I do believe Dan is the better candidate for president I can't say I'm 100% happy with him in welfare this year.I don't like the way he neglected sexual health awarness week in order to focus on these elections.I also dont think he has done enough for mental health awarness in the college,something I thought he would do and that I feel he neglected quite a bit.I think it was bad that Dan mentioned the co-op in his manifesto if he only when down there the day the nominations were out.While I disagree with him adding this into his manifesto,i do think it was wrong for Enda to miss out how heavily involved in Labouryouth he is.
I can appreciate how I may come across as bitter in some posts,kaptainredeye.I was hurt when I didnt get support form the UCD branch of labouryouth as I get on extremely well and have the full support of everyone else in the party except them.This sort of what i thought as unjustified rejection is hurtful and so I apologise if it has come across as bitter. I agree with peachy that this should be kept to the newswire and so maybe if somone starts a thread over on the boards in ucdsu website we can disccuss it there.
Oh and just is anyone is intrested the l+h hustings are on tommorow at 1 sumwhere in arts!

The_Minister

singingstranger wrote:

Motions on notice (http://www.ucdsu.net/newswire.php) are voted on. This time around there's a motion of No Confidence in James Carroll which should be interesting.
Also Officers Reports and this time around (possibly) the election of a new chair - you might get to see ye olde Pierce Farrell in canvassing mode looking to be the new deputy Chair or something - and nominations of UCDSU's reps to USI National Congress from March 20-23 in Ennis.

who votes? (class reps or what)

The_Minister

The proposal was beaten down massively.
(Just finishing the thread)

TheVan

Pythia wrote:

Enda Duffy used to be in Ogra Shinn Fein.
Enough said tbh.

Really? Well it doesnt change my vote.....RON is still coming in ahead of Duffy!

1. Orla
2. Dan
3. RON
4. Enda Duffy