No confidence

The_Minister

Is it true that a Labour guy and a Socialist guy have placed a motion of no confidence against our illustrious president because he cocked-up a deadline?

Vorsprung

Yep you heard right, read on the Observer that he mixed up 2 deadlines. We can all make mistakes...

ucdsu.net wrote:

Motion of No Confidence in UCDSU President

This motion has been submitted to be on notice for Council on February 27th. Because of its more obviously urgent nature I've posted it online before the deadline for submission of motions.

Council notes that the deadline for the submission of motions for USI National Congress 2006 was 5pm on Friday, 17 February 2006.

Council also notes that the UCDSU President had received information of this deadline many days in advance of the deadline.

Council further notes that the UCDSU President only released this information on the day of the deadline.

Council further notes that an emergency meeting was called for 3pm on the day of the deadline, to discuss motions for USI National Congress, and that the UCDSU President did not attend this meeting.

Council further notes that many UCDSU Councillors were unable to attend the meeting due to the short notice.

Council notes with concern the stress that UCDSU Councillors were caused due to the short notice of this meeting, and the time limit of 2 hours to construct, type and email 10 motions for USI National Congress.

Council notes that the UCDSU President was negligent, and that due to this negligence, Councillors were forced to construct 10 motions under extreme pressure, and that there may have been the possibility of missing the deadline.

Council condemns the UCDSU President, and therefore Council no longer has confidence in James Carroll, President of University College Dublin Students’ Union.

Proposed by Darragh Ó Bradáin, 3rd Arts
Seconded by Darren Cogavin, 3rd Social Science

The_Minister

I was asked to sign a petition supporting him. I did. He mixed up a deadline big-deal.
(No doubt enda will say this is what you get for communicating with the administration.:v: :rolleyes: )

Dave!

What does a vote of no confidence mean for the president? Are his powers (assuming he has any super or otherwise) diminished now, or is it just a symbolic up-yours at him for bein a c*nt? lol

panda100

DaveMcG wrote:

What does a vote of no confidence mean for the president? Are his powers (assuming he has any super or otherwise) diminished now, or is it just a symbolic up-yours at him for bein a c*nt? lol

If this motion is passed this is what will happen:
James will not be in charge so this will be left to the other sabbatical officers.With Dave,Dan and Jane all taking holidays next week for the next three weeks, Anthony kelly will act as president of the union for those 3 weeks.

Jonny Arson

If the motion is passed it will be Carroll's decision to stand down and no one elses'.

I'm no big fan of Carroll but I feel this motion of no confidence is a bit harsh.

Yeah Carroll has f**ked up big time on this one, no getting away from that fact but all this over one (yes, big) f**k up???

I know he won't go down in history as a great UCDSU president but I believe for for a motion like this to even occur it should be a result of constant mistakes and failings and not one mess up..

tintinr35

cogavin is an ass,
and i wud bet my ass he just has sour grapes!

Chinafoot

Can we keep the personal abuse in check please.

Darren Cogavin is a user of this board as far as I know.

Sangre

Whoops!
Get off my back I was busy!

Pythia

Hmm, I like the motion, but looking at the names of those who propose it, that puts me off.

Economaniac!

this whole thing is sick and twisted. It reeks of nothing more than cynicism and just down right nastiness. I dont think he's been a good president, but for pete's sake, give him his 6 weeks and let him go and live on. This whole thing is just wrong.

Scraggs

I totally agree, i was asked to sign a petition against that no confidence motion and i did. I really hope it doesnt pass. It definately reeks of sourgrapes

VenusInFurs

tintinr35 wrote:

cogavin is an ass

Howdy doodle tintinr35

I look forward to crashing your next boards beers. Then you can say it to my face :cool:

arbeitsscheuer

James Carroll's our president and as such is supposed to set an example.

The only example he's set has been of being a lazy git with no scruples, ideals or purpose.

Put simply, I have no confidence in him.

Glad at least two SU officers share that opinion...

panda100

This is definatly the worst motion I've seen so far with this years su and its u against some pretty stiff competition!

I have to admit I think James is a pretty sound bloke.I think he made a mistake on not fully informing everyone sooner about the usi deadline.Still though,he most certainly doesnt deserve this motion of no confidence.
There's no way this motion will get passed anyway and I think the two people who proposed it are time wasters.

Red Alert

Suppose this motion was passed earlier on in the year, say november - would an election have to be called or would the sabbats just have to relieve the president from duty?

arbeitsscheuer

Red Alert wrote:

Suppose this motion was passed earlier on in the year, say november - would an election have to be called or would the sabbats just have to relieve the president from duty?

Nope... Basic logic dictates that essentially UCDSU carries on without a permanent President, with either the Deputy Pres. taking over the duties of President in addition to his own, or, as in this particular case, the duties being shared around the 4 other Sabbats...

singingstranger

The President always has a designated Vice-President (i.e. one of the other four) who fulfills their meeting duties, etc, if they're not around. This year it's Dan, but the only times this really comes into practice is if James can't make Exec and Dan therefore is assumed to act as Chair instead. Had this motion been passed in, say, November, then it would still be up to James to resign or otherwise. Whether a seperate election for the rest of the year would be held I'm not sure - a few years ago an Ents candidate resigned and a by-election was held to fill it (the first ballot was actually won by RON).

singingstranger

oh, and
/me is again chuffed by C&Ping of his own typing from ucdsu.net

Scraggs

VenusInFurs wrote:

Howdy doodle tintinr35

I look forward to crashing your next boards beers. Then you can say it to my face :cool:

dont worry tintinr we got ur back;)

arbeitsscheuer

Scraggs wrote:

dont worry tintinr we got ur back;)

I'm sorry, what's all this "We" business!

I'm gonna back up my Socialist comrade, thanks very much...

tintinr35

VenusInFurs wrote:

Howdy doodle tintinr35

I look forward to crashing your next boards beers. Then you can say it to my face :cool:

in the imortal words of the wise owl paula abdul!!
darren i dont have a problem saying anything to your face,
pity i dont go to the beers tho!!

dont suppose you would actually fancy outlining why exactly you supported this motion of no confidence?????

Riamfada

then seb. You will die. Along with all the other lefties in college. Im just looking forward to your little coup detat so i can finish you all off once and for all.

arbeitsscheuer

It is better to die on your feet than live on your knees, and furthermore - OH MY GOD LOOK OVER THERE *pointing over Grimes' shoulder

/runs

Riamfada

SebtheBum wrote:

It is better to die on your feet than live on your knees, and furthermore - OH MY GOD LOOK OVER THERE *pointing over Grimes' shoulder

/runs

You cant escape the prying eyes of the extreme right.. Run all you wish .

panda100

What is it with UCD board beers and fights?!Do u rmember at the last one some fella was gonna come get peachy's fella?Thank God he never materialised!Dont worry tintin,venursinfurs is all talk and absoutely no action

tintinr35

panda100 wrote:

absoutely no action

EDIT: deleted what i had said here cause it prob would have been classed as personal abuse andi dont want peachy to spank me again!!! im sure u all get the idea of what my original post was

Chinafoot

lol I'm pretty sure I don't want to know

As for Mr. Cogavin's little comment....its nice to see the level of maturity of those involved in the union.

No fights at the beers....except for boneless and seb. But thats just foreplay.

arbeitsscheuer

peachypants wrote:

No fights at the beers....except for boneless and seb. But thats just foreplay.

Or at least it would be if I didn't get so damn excited...:(















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