Do you call yourself a criminal?

danniemcq

ok so i'm gonna assume that (some) people here have broken the law at some point in their lives be it downloading software or warez off the net, stealing from work, destruction of property, drunk and disorderly or drugs whatever you get my drift. (rb_ie if you read this shhhh!)

but would you class yourself as a criminal? Do you give out about the Scum to your friends and family even though you've done similer (if not worse things yourself) If you were your neighbour would you call the cops?

ZiabR

I have done some things but nothing thats majorly bad. I would not class myself as a criminal no.

AngryBadger

I do't consider myself a criminal for downloading anything off the internet, this is a capitalist society, companies see fit to charge whatever they like for produce erego as far as I'm concerned the onus is on them to protect their goods, and if they don't it's fair game.

Any other laws I've broken have been broken in the privacy of my own home, and have affected no-one but myself, and any other aprties involved (;)) so I don't consider it "criminal".

Dave!

I have broken plenty of minor or insignificant laws, but I do not consider myself a criminal. I would really only call someone a criminal if the crime they commited was problematic or unethical.

For instance, smoking a joint, I don't consider that unethical, so people can do it all they like and I don't care, whereas murder is unethical, so if someone murders someone else, then I'll consider them a criminal.

BTW, are you a criminal for commiting the crime or for being convicted of it?

Femelade

i havent done anything so bad to class myself as a criminal, no.

connundrum

DaveMcG wrote:

BTW, are you a criminal for commiting the crime or for being convicted of it?

Technically if you're convicted of it.

If I had been caught doing the illegal things then I suppose I would be a criminal, but seeing as I wasn't caught then what I did doesn't seem too bad I guess.. it's all relative really :rolleyes: or is it

danniemcq

i'd say it's the commiting of the offence because if you steal something thats a crime, unless it goes to court and you get off on it that way i guess.

Sifo

its ok to break the law if the law seems unreasonable. I spose im a criminal in a way, but only in the eyes of people i don't care about...

Terry

in the context that the Op put it in, yes, i am a criminal.
i've commited countless minor offences during my 30 years on this planet. most of them during my teens. mostly public disorder. i quickly learned not to argue when a copper tell you to move. arguing with them only leads to kickings and/or arrest. i was never arrested, just brought home in the back of a squad car. that was embarrassing enough for me not to ever argue with them again.
stolen stuff from work? yes, but only surplus stuff. nothing that would be missed or needed by anyone else.

robinph

I wouldn't call myself a criminal but I'm sure that the records that various law enforcement agencies and courts have regarding me would state otherwise. Although some of their records would be regarding civil rather than criminal offences.

azezil

I've engaged in some "anti-social behaviour" over the years whilst drunk mostly, but they were isolated incidents and no serious harm was ever done. I don't regard myself as a criminal, and no I wouldn't complain to friends or family about others doing the same, unless they did it regularly i.e. at least once a month (I don't include downloading music / softare in that, stealing from the rich is a victimless crime :P).

Crucifix

Criminal; maybe. Outlaw; definitely.

SpAcEd OuT

in the eyes of the law yes, in the eyes of the general public no

Fighting Irish

DaveMcG wrote:

I have broken plenty of minor or insignificant laws, but I do not consider myself a criminal. I would really only call someone a criminal if the crime they commited was problematic or unethical.

For instance, smoking a joint, I don't consider that unethical, so people can do it all they like and I don't care, whereas murder is unethical, so if someone murders someone else, then I'll consider them a criminal.

BTW, are you a criminal for commiting the crime or for being convicted of it?

what if you murder someone while smoking a joint? :v:

SpAcEd OuT

Fighting Irish wrote:

what if you murder someone while smoking a joint? :v:

no doubt the newspaper headlines would read

MAN MURDERS WHILE UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF DANGEROUS PYSCOTIC DRUG

ivan087

just because i eat chocolate ice-cream in my village, doesnt mean i indulge in all things that would increase the probability of self-righteous indignation for whatever reasons and possiblities that that could entail in so far as i have seen all walks of life honoured people walking free and seeing the light of day or breaking down in cold sweat just for believing or seeking an answer to the real question that everyone is asking is that question right or wrong or a little right or are we infactuated with the delight of seeing our names in neon lights so we can claim to be human beings well i have to ask you what is the answer and if that answer will come with happiness or with all manner of people choose not to but i do choose to be contemplating where i want to go next thinking things through can hold us back i am so fcuking bored in work that i have just writen this sh!t. im going to give myself four more weeks in this job and im getting out of here before my mind explodes. ive only brought one album into work today and ive listened to it about 15 times. and theres a guy thats being picking his nose for the past 20 minutes and i think im going to throw up or scream. four more weeks.

no i wouldnt consider myself a criminal.

Savman

Fighting Irish wrote:

what if you murder someone while smoking a joint? :v:

That could never happen. It'd be too funny.

Aporia

okay well ...
woooo i watch 18's movies when i'm actually 17 woooo i underage drink i was statutory raped in the past...woooo i tried illegal drugs and like the occasional smoke and i download songs and stuff off the net illegally i stole bracletes from a shop when i was like 14 haha woooo

i wouldn't call myself a criminal

Fighting Irish

Savman wrote:

That could never happen. It'd be too funny.

Dave!

Fighting Irish wrote:

what if you murder someone while smoking a joint? :v:

Ya got me :v:

Rb

danniemcq wrote:

(rb_ie if you read this shhhh!)

My lips are sealed

Sleepy

I've broken laws often but seldom my own moral code which is far more important to me.

biko

danniemcq wrote:

but would you class yourself as a criminal?

No-one would consider themselves a criminal, I think.

I have stolen stuff and been in trouble lots of times in my teens but never convicted or even arrested. Would not consider myself a criminal even tho I have done some serious criminal acts.

Where's the poll ??? I want a poll !!! I loooove polls

Endurance Man

I spent a lot of my early teens doing...... well not great things . Not really proud of it, i feel i really should have recieved some sort of punishment for them tbh, but we where never caught (doesnt make it right).
Crumbs...... when you think about it its hard to answer, i suppose if i had to be completely honest i would have to say yes , sure does make you think...

Dave!

Endurance Man wrote:

I spent a lot of my early teens doing...... well not great things . Not really proud of it, i feel i really should have recieved some sort of punishment for them tbh, but we where never caught (doesnt make it right).
Crumbs...... when you think about it its hard to answer, i suppose if i had to be completely honest i would have to say yes , sure does make you think...

This thread is actually a crafty sting operation by the Gardaí. It will be closed in due course. Please step into the car. You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law.........

rubadub

Sleepy wrote:

I've broken laws often but seldom my own moral code which is far more important to me.

Same here, but my own moral laws are so lax they sicken me

My granny records cornation street the odd time, should be on death row really.

biko

Sleepy wrote:

I've broken laws often but seldom my own moral code which is far more important to me.

Let's hope that your moral code correspond somewhat with the laws which the rest of us have to obey (out here in the real world) dig dig

Litcagral

DaveMcG wrote:

I would really only call someone a criminal if the crime they commited was problematic or unethical.

For instance, smoking a joint, I don't consider that unethical, so people can do it all they like and I don't care, whereas murder is unethical, so if someone murders someone else, then I'll consider them a criminal.QUOTE]





DaveMcG, I think you have not grasped the concept of 'ethics'. Smoking a joint and commiting murder are illegal as the laws stands therefore they would not be considered to be ethical matters.

Generally ethical dilemmas result from situations where the action may be perfectly legal but may not be morally sound e.g:

1. should medical staff resusitate a very old and weak patient who condition is unlikely to improve.

2. should I purchase sports footwear that I know have been made in a sweatshop using child labour in Bangladesh.

3. should a charity pay a cumpulsory fee to relevant officials before being allowed to enter a country.

slipss

Litcagral wrote:

DaveMcG wrote:

DaveMcG, I think you have not grasped the concept of 'ethics'. Smoking a joint and commiting murder are illegal as the laws stands therefore they would not be considered to be ethical matters.

I think it's you that deosn't grasp the concept of "ethics" buddy. Ethics don't nescesarily have anything to do with the law, they are simply a matter of good or bad, right or wrong and a persons definitions of those things.

EOA_Mushy

DaveMcG wrote:

BTW, are you a criminal for commiting the crime or for being convicted of it?

Figure you can only be a criminal if you have a criminal record... -> Not caught = not a criminal.

arbeitsscheuer

Do you call yourself a criminal?

Proudly.

You poor take courage,
You rich take care,
This earth was made a common treasury
For everyone to share...

Sleepy

who ya quoting there seb?

Sleepy

biko wrote:

Let's hope that your moral code correspond somewhat with the laws which the rest of us have to obey (out here in the real world) dig dig

I'd say it largely does tbh. I just believe that what I choose to ingest into my body is nobody else's business but my own.

AngryBadger

Sleepy wrote:

I'd say it largely does tbh. I just believe that what I choose to ingest into my body is nobody else's business but my own.

....dude....don't eat my chocolate squirrel....

Dave!

AngryBadger wrote:

....dude....don't eat my chocolate squirrel....

lol

Kojak

I stole office supplies a fair bit when I was working last year.

I wouldn't call myself a criminal - sure everyone was doing it.

Ickle Magoo

AngryBadger wrote:

I do't consider myself a criminal for downloading anything off the internet, this is a capitalist society, companies see fit to charge whatever they like for produce erego as far as I'm concerned the onus is on them to protect their goods, and if they don't it's fair game.

Any other laws I've broken have been broken in the privacy of my own home, and have affected no-one but myself, and any other aprties involved (;)) so I don't consider it "criminal".

Same.....I think there is a world of difference between downloading copied wares from a multi-billion dollar making company and being a burgular or rapist or murderer....both may be classed as criminals in the eyes of the law but those who affect the lives of others in a negative way when they break the law are always going to be classed as true criminals over those who break copyrighting laws or a publican who serves 1min after legal hours have been called.....that's why those laws being broken are refered to as misdemeaners.....

phantom_lord

DaveMcG wrote:

I have broken plenty of minor or insignificant laws, but I do not consider myself a criminal.

I doubt there's anyone in the country over say 16 that hasn't broken a law of some sort.

Does that mean we're living in a country of criminals?

Dave!

phantom_lord wrote:

I doubt there's anyone in the country over say 16 that hasn't broken a law of some sort.

Does that mean we're living in a country of criminals?

What? Why are you address that at me? I just answered the question...

robinph

EOA_Mushy wrote:

Figure you can only be a criminal if you have a criminal record... -> Not caught = not a criminal.

I'd like to change my plea to guilty.

phantom_lord

DaveMcG wrote:

What? Why are you address that at me? I just answered the question...

no... I just used it as of an example of pretty much everyone in the country...I wasn't aiming it at you...

ferdi

Sleepy wrote:

I've broken laws often but seldom my own moral code which is far more important to me.

that about sums it up for me. laws are only a social construct, you cant chain me forever!

Dave!

phantom_lord wrote:

no... I just used it as of an example of pretty much everyone in the country...I wasn't aiming it at you...

Righto

Terry

Ickle Magoo wrote:

Same.....I think there is a world of difference between downloading copied wares from a multi-billion dollar making company and being a burgular or rapist or murderer....both may be classed as criminals in the eyes of the law but those who affect the lives of others in a negative way when they break the law are always going to be classed as true criminals over those who break copyrighting laws or a publican who serves 1min after legal hours have been called.....that's why those laws being broken are refered to as misdemeaners.....

indeed.
i know a girl whose house was broken into while she was sleeping. she was completely freaked out by it and couldn't sleep properly for months.
i don't think any musicians out there are losing sleep over people illegally downloading their music. maybe lars ulrich, but he's the exception to the rule.

mickymg2003

I wouldn't consider myself a criminal. All i've really ever done is steal office supplies from school and college and download music. Anybody shoplift from HMV?

Rhyme

Of course not, im an upstanding citizen of the Republic of ireland and regard the law as if it were my own moral standings. This fine country was built on....

...

yeh, a few

danniemcq

Kojak wrote:

I stole office supplies a fair bit when I was working last year.

I wouldn't call myself a criminal - sure everyone was doing it.

ah the age old question though just because everyone else done it doesn't mean you have to, would you kill someone if others were doing the same?

trishw78

Lets see abit of underage drinking and buying cigerattes underage. downloading stuff. sharing downloaded stuff. I did smoke a bit of a joint in Amsterdam does that count.

EDIT: I t Don't think I am a criminal