Best Type of MA

The_Minister

There may be a thread on this already or it may be common knowledge, but as a someone new to MA what would be good to learn for actual fighting for a tall heavyset person?

Dragan

Firespinner wrote:

for actual fighting for a tall heavyset person?

Ideally, you should not actually be fighting. Maybe thats just me.

The_Minister

Dragan wrote:

Ideally, you should not actually be fighting. Maybe thats just me.

I'm aware of that but i'd like to be able to defend myself or a friend.

Dragan

If your looking for some decent stand up then no one will dispute Thai kick boxing, if you would like to look at things like grapples, submissions and clinch work, then there are many fine MMA clubs in our fair country, or if you are into your self defence the Krav Magna or Silat would be the way to go i suppose.

Remember though, no art is perfect so if you go along and have fun then your on to a winner!!

The_Minister

Dragan wrote:

If your looking for some decent stand up then no one will dispute Thai kick boxing, if you would like to look at things like grapples, submissions and clinch work, then there are many fine MMA clubs in our fair country, or if you are into your self defence the Krav Magna or Silat would be the way to go i suppose.

Remember though, no art is perfect so if you go along and have fun then your on to a winner!!

I understood that grapples and submissions were ineffective in real life?
I might look at Thai Kick Boxing though.
Thank you

columok

I understood that grapples and submissions were ineffective in real life?

Maybe someone should have told me that. And the rest of the MMA community in Ireland. And all those cagefighters worldwide. And Randy Couture and Chuck Lidell, Wanderlei Silva and Mauricio Shogun.

Sorry lads your grappling/submissions are ineffective in real life.

And wait for the guffaw as they get back to training hard.

The_Minister

columok wrote:

Maybe someone should me that. And the rest of the MMA community in Ireland. And all those cagefighters worldwide. And Randy Couture and Chuck Lidell, Wanderlei Silva and Mauricio Shogun.

Sorry lads your grappling/submissions are ineffective in real life.

And wait for the guffaw as they get back to training hard.

That was just was what I had heard. I was told that only the slowest punching fighters could be caught in holds.

columok

That was just was what I had heard. I was told that only the slowest punching fighters could be caught in holds.

I would say that the whole history of mixed martial arts would absolutely contest that and would really disprove that. To be able to stand and bang against someone trying to put you on your back you have to be a very very good grappler. Some of the thai boxers here would confirm that.

Look at the amount of amazingly fast strikers who are continually taken down in MMA competition. Or look at Ring of Truth 3 in Dublin where Michael "Sissy Boy" Leonard repeatedly took down an eventually broke the arm of the Irish (and European?) full contact kick boxing champion Stuart Edgeworth- who was an excellent boxer and kick boxer.

That was just was what I had heard.

So who told you that rubbish?

Dragan

TO be honest, grapples and subs are hugely effective, once again it just depends on the situation. To be honest, as was previously said, many, many very fast punchers and kickers get taken down and submitted. Why??? Most take downs occur from ab/hip/thigh level. They do not try and grab your arm while you strike ( at least, not normally ) instead you are taken down, and when your on your back your pretty much theirs plain and simple.

Remember that , as i mentioned earlier, not everything will ever work for everthing, there is a lot to be learned from all sorts of arts and you will be on the right path.

As for whoever told you to simply discount grapples etc, generally speaking the words of someone who would completely discount something they ( obviously ) know little about should always be taken witha pinch of salt.

fianna.5u.com

Hey Firespinner,

Columok has given you the low down but I thought I'd elaborate just so you can understand what we are talking about.

This link will give you an idea of waht we are talking about, read on for more info.... http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=815962976003690415&q=chute+box

Back in the early 1990's the ultimate fighting organisation came into being. It was a tournement that had few rules it spawned a sport called Mixed Martial Arts. This sport is like a combination of kicking, punching, kneeing and elbowing (usually down while standing and generally considered as part of the Mauy Thai boxing art) with throws and takedowns and sweeps and trips (usually considered in the context of olympic wrestling and sometimes Judo) and submissions / grappling / chokes and locks (usually in the context of a style called Brazilian Ju Jitsu (really nothing like traditional or japanese Ju Jitsu). This sport proved that a combination of these styles in essential to be a good fighter.

In this sport you win by knock out (KO) of TKO (a stoppage of some sort, maybe the Dr decides you are not fit to continue etc), submission (when you "tap-out" or submit to a choke, leg or arm lock) or by decision (judges award points like a boxing match).

The sport also proved that grappling is hugely effective, and for along time it was the most effective way to win. Ultimately you should try and watch the ultimate fighting championship or Pride FC.

Or check... http://www.fianna.5u.com/what.htm

Peace

P.S. for everyone else who knows about MMA I am of course aware of its long history, various rules blah blah blah, this is just an over view that I hope someone knew to Martial Arts finds helpful. Peace Peace!

Dragan

fianna.5u.com wrote:

This link will give you an idea of waht we are talking about, read on for more info.... http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=815962976003690415&q=chute+box

Jeebus, that guy is just fierce isn't he? I love that drop into the guillotine, never get sick of seeing that... not so sure about the stomp on the head though, seemed a little uncalled for, the guy was just having a nap.

Colm_OReilly

If you're in Dublin you're more than welcome to try out a class with me (www.twokingsmma.net). I'm sure JK (Ireland's top BJJ and MMA coach) would offer you the same thing if you emailed sbgireladn@gmail.com

silat liam

Firespinner wrote:

There may be a thread on this already or it may be common knowledge, but as a someone new to MA what would be good to learn for actual fighting for a tall heavyset person?

Hi
You might find training in Silat an option for you to look in. It gear towards
Street defence and Internal development. You find more details on www.silateurope.com if you like to give it a go send me a private message and I arrange a free trail for you to see if it suits you. Hope this helps.

ninjawitatitude

Hey Firespinner,

Firespinner wrote:

... what would be good to learn for actual fighting for a tall heavyset person?

Which ever one works best for you. So try a few and pick the one with the least bullsh1t.

Gambatte

The_Minister

Thank you to everyone for their input. I haven't decided what to try yet but I am grateful for the advice.

Roper

Firespinner, it might help if you told us what area you're in. And since you're a noob, you might come back when you've tried a bit and give us your first impressions?

The_Minister

Roper wrote:

Firespinner, it might help if you told us what area you're in. And since you're a noob, you might come back when you've tried a bit and give us your first impressions?

Im in Dublin.