Take pot or build pot

Bandana boy

A hand last night that i made a mistake i seem to make all the time

Hold em
On the button with T8 diamonds i raise and get a very tight BB call and a lose UTG+1 call
We flop T82 check check i bet pot get called in both positions
6 on turn and BB leads out 1/2 pot bet and gets called

Now my instincts tell me that UTG+1 could be playing the 79 but BB has a large pocket pair or a big ace
If i call the bet it leaves a pot of 400 with BB with 200 me about the same and UTG+1 about 100 left
I am thinking i raise i am either in with the straight drawing to my house or take pot now.
Alternatively i can call and hope that BB leads out gain with pocket pair and utg+1 is lying or they call a 1/4 pot bet from me assuming no scare card hits
Which do you do or do you lay down ?

fuzzbox

BB led turn, and UTG+1 just called. This usually means that BB has a big hand (not just a big Ace, but more likely a hand that beats yours).
UTG+1 prob does not have str8.

Tough spot - fold to the tight BB leading into a field on a scary turn.

If you have info to suggest that BB is a muppet, then by all means shove.

Mr. Flibble

I can't say which is mathematically correct but I would be inclined to take it down now if I could - providing I thought I was ahead, which I'm not sure you were.

So many cards would scare me: A 2 6 might give somone higher 2 pair.
And all cards around the T (K Q J 9 7) would scare me cause of a straight. Maybe they shouldn't because somone probably shouldn't have been in there with a straight draw, but they would!

Maybe somone picked up a flush draw along with a straight draw on the turn which is another box of scarecards for me (although I guess not as no suites are mentioned), with somthing like J9s or even JQs (dont know how bad these players are - been on vegas baby for too long!).

Bandana boy

i think BB has a big hand but i think he check raises the set so i have his bet as big slick or over pair and his bet is fishing for the strength of my hand

I wanted to re-raise but only called
Turn paired the 6 and BB led out 100 got called and i layed down
BB had KK utg+1 had AT

In hindsight the raise would be best move but is it the best move in general

And in fact Does KK lay down to my re-raise I think AT calls

handsfree

maybe it is a weakness in my game but i always try to take pots down early. i find that if i give free cards or just call that i can be out drawn and worse not set the price of the next card.

Mr. Flibble

handsfree wrote:

maybe it is a weakness in my game but i always try to take pots down early. i find that if i give free cards or just call that i can be out drawn and worse not set the price of the next card.

I do this aswell. I think people tend to do this when playing 'bad', any two card type of players. As if you give a cheap card you find it very hard to know if the card helped them. When playing tighter players it is much easier to put them on a hand so a cheap card isn't as dangerous.

fuzzbox

Call is the worst option (in my opinion)

If you believe you have the best hand, then put the rest in now.
If you believe you are behind then lay down.

Doesnt matter if either hand lays down or not, it only matters if you got the money in good.

mewso

The BB calling your flop bet and betting the turn looks like classic flopped set play to me. With UTG+1 calling there is a good case for folding here.

RoundTower

What do you mean when you say the BB is very tight, and then you suggest he calls with AK on this flop and leads out on the turn? This doesn't make sense. I think an overpair is more likely. Also a set, but if he is tight he didn't call you with 22 preflop. I get it all in here and hope to get called by one pair or a worse two pair.

cardshark202

RoundTower wrote:

What do you mean when you say the BB is very tight, and then you suggest he calls with AK on this flop and leads out on the turn? This doesn't make sense, I think an overpair is more likely. Also a set, but if he is tight he didn't call you with 22 preflop. I get it all in here, you may get called by one pair or a worse two pair.

I was thinking this myself. Actually from the BB's point of view I don't like flat-calling a button-raise OOP with a loose UTG+1 limper to act with KK.