Losing Value at $3 $6

Hectorjelly

Villain is over aggressive, esp preflop. Seems to be okish post flop, I think he bluffs a bit (his betting/raising freq is high but he hasnt been caught yet) I have reraised him once before, the whole table limped he made it 48 to go, I made it 100 more, he called and folded to my 150 bet on flop. We both have over 800.

Button limps, he does this every hand. SB (villain) makes it 30 to go. I make it 80 with A8s. He calls. Button folds. Flop is A85. He checks and I bet 100. He thinks and calls

Turn is a jack. I hate this card. He checks, I check

River is a queen. I hate this card and will probably fold if he bets more than half the pot. He checks, I bet 180; this is a value bet but im probably folding to an all in.

Comments on turn and river play appreciated

sunzz

Suppose he could have been chancing his arm on the sb with something like 9,10 suited from what you say he likes to protect his blinds so you would have to put him on the odd small cards,AQ, AJ is an option but I don't think so what with the frequency he protects his blinds. I don't think he has you beat here. And I think it's likely he has something Like A, rag or 9,10 and I didn't like you checking the jack its a possible straight card addition when you hold 2 pair, and lets him see his free card for the river, and the queen just adds then to your doubt.

I push the turn, it’s not likely he has a set.I'm putting him on a flush draw if one is out there? Or the filled straight or Ace rag.

All in all I’m leading the turn.

Hectorjelly

pushing the turn means betting 600 into a 400 pot. Doesnt really give him a chane to make a mistake. There are no draws on the flop so Im not concerned about that. There is 0 chance he has 9T, why would he call 100 on the flop.

bohsman

I dont valuebet the river unless Im willing to call a push, especially in a position like this. This is something Im looking at in my own game, maybeIm not getting enough value out of hands like these

Once Ive value bet 180 into a 400 pot Im going to call a push, that said my value bet would be 250-350.

Bozzer

You bet the turn if villain is a donk who will call both turn and river with ak/q.

Against others though I like your turn check. If you plan on only betting one street then the river is a much better choice. It is a lot more likely you make money from a worse hand when the turn is checked. If villain is behind then he is drawing thin so you don’t mind giving a free card.
If villain is is the habit of blocking a lot of rivers( with the intention of folding to a raise) then perhaps an argument can be made for betting the turn.

As for the river I bet $250 and I fold to a raise. Action virtually eliminates the possibility villain will be bluffing here, and he’s not gonna push AK or worse enough to make calling correct.

Hectorjelly

Thats the problem, Im not sure how much of a donk he is. Based on play since then I think he would of called on the turn and river with any ace.

hotspur

Given he's an aggressive player and checked that flop but called the bet and then checked again I'd be sort of inclined to put him on a high non-ace PP most likely KK. He surely wouldn't have played Ax like that if he's overly aggressive. I don't think that you missed value by your turn and river play. If you bet out on the turn then he's surely giving up any underpair to the ace that hasn't hit a set yet your check on the turn might convince him that you don't have the ace and he *may* pay off the moderate river bet. I don't think there was any more left in him for you if you're still to take down the pot. Did he call with KK?

FastMachine

Well it looks like he has the A if he called that flop, was it rainbow? I'd expect him to fold QQ or JJ there. Surely after you checked the turn he'd lead the river if he had a set, he wouldn't give you a chance to check again. I'd also expect him to lead with AQ or AJ on the river after your turn check especially if he's as aggressive as you say. I think it's a decent value bet, could be called by AK/A10/Ax or KK if he wasn't able to fold it on the flop.

Hectorjelly

he called but this is tribeca so Im not sure what with. (I won) You could be right about the pocket pair but I feel he definitely would of three bet preflop with QQ/KK

fuzzbox

I bet the turn, and the river.