AQo out of position.

ollyk1

Fitz €100 +€10 game FO.

2nd level 50/100 8 players at the table.

1 utg limper (wide range likes Ace rag more than is healthy)

I'm 3rd to speak (Mp1) and flat call with AcQd.

MP2 raises to 500. Limper calls.

I have 3750 before this hand and have only limped once so far and paid my blinds. Limper has 3800ish. Raiser has 4300.

(Raiser has only played one hand at the 25/50 level and raised 8*BB with JJ called by the limper in this hand and then bet 600 on a q high flop and showed after the limper folded)

Do you call with AQo out of position? Why? Pot is 1250

I called :rolleyes:

Flop came Ad9h2d. Limper checks. Whats your move? I checked to the raiser because the limper looks like he's hit the ace and therefore I want to trap him.

Raiser bets 600. Limper calls. Now what?

I raised to 2000 (obviously I've made my decision that I'm pot committed now and the reason I don't push is I think the limper will call if the raiser folds.)

Raiser pushes all-in fairly quickly and the limper thinks a little and folds. I've got 1250 left and call. I probably should fold here as the plan has gone wrong and the raiser doesn't have the PP I was hoping for but I call and he turns AK.

I played this hand very badly both in allowing the pot to get very big out of position and then wanting to stack the limper I was guilty of some wishful thinking in respect of the raisers flop bet. This is not one of those hands that "played" itself and yet with my lack of clarity it did so any comments on when and why you walk away are welcome.

Whats your line? Assuming you don't raise with AQ preflop as you normally would (I was limping for the specific reason or the utg limper and now the hand has been raised and called so now what?)

RoundTower

If the limper overplays ace-rag too much, most likely he will call a raise preflop. It sounds like you were trying to isolate him preflop, by limping? I don't get it.

Having limped, I would probably call the raise. Sounds like you don't know much about the raiser, you can't really assume he is tight based on one round of the table. Folding would be fine too.

OK you check the flop "to trap the limper". I don't understand how this works. Do you really think he will call a bet from the preflop raiser with Ax, but will give you credit for AK and fold? It's not impossible. If I checked, it would be because I expected the raiser to bet with a hand that is drawing almost dead. Here he has some history of making a bet like this with second pair, but the ace on the board will frighten him much more than the Q when he had JJ. I think checking is OK, but betting is better if it allows you to get away from the hand when he has AK.

Now when it comes back to you you are in a tough position. The raiser has made a very weak bet, and you feel sure the limper has a weak ace, leaving only one ace in the deck. So the raiser's most likely hand is a pair smaller than aces. So you are probably ahead of both players. I think folding is out of the question.

If you raise, the raiser will only call you with hands you beat, but the limper will call you with any ace. Since you are probably ahead, go ahead and raise. But if your read on the limper is wrong you are losing money in the long run here, you really have to trust that he will call you down with a weak ace.

Once you get reraised, you have to call, there is so much money in the middle. Even though it looks like he has AA/AK, sometimes he will have AQ or AJ or something like 9T of diamonds. Folding now would be the worst mistake you made in this hand.

Hectorjelly

I think you made a mistake at every decision point in the hand. 1st of all you have a weak limper, you should raise to get rid of the blinds and make it easier to gethis stack. Once you limp I think you should fold to the raise. If the raiser has a normal raising range you are probably dominated. The way you played the hand tells me you should be avoiding complicated flop decisions, especially oop.

On the flop i think you should lead out, you should still stack the limper should he have ax, but this gives you a chance to fold to the solid player.

ollyk1

I have no defence I should have raised preflop to isolate the limper and as a consquence I would have been in a better position overall. I just have a history with the limper of getting all his money on Ace high flops and the warm fuzzy memories clouded my judgement but I was in a bad position for this play this time . I let him commit himself on ace high boards and he calls me off on the river provided I don't raise preflop. I have an illness.

When I say trapping the limper I feel he'll call the raiser who might have one "stab" and then when I raise he might feel a bit committed and having played me before maybe call me if/when the raiser folds. I think he'll call me if I bet 1000 into the pot postflop and see a turn but I won't get anymore. On reflection I definitely think I played this pot "too big" if that makes sense and maybe betting the pot and letting the original raiser fold a PP and hopefully get a call from my limper is a less dangerous and stoopid line.

The problem was I felt quite strongly about the ace in the limpers hand (and still do) and that blinded me to the raiser on that board. The one ace in the deck thinking was very dangerous....

You are absolutely correct in saying that the ace high board made a continuation bet harder to make for the preflop raiser and yet his weak lead didn't set off alarms for me. More like a continuation bet without much conviction. Actually after I called his all-in he was reluctant to turn his hand over saying "I'm behind". Turns out he was quite a bit tighter then I knew!! :eek:

ollyk1

Hectorjelly wrote:

. Once you limp I think you should fold to the raise. If the raiser has a normal raising range you are probably dominated. The way you played the hand tells me you should be avoiding complicated flop decisions, especially oop.

I just found it very hard to fold for 400 more into a 1250 pot when personally I could be raising to 500 here with a lot of hands and good position but you are obviously 100% correct. There is nothing I like about how I played this hand. Must keep the mantra "discpline discipline discipline" ringing in my ears...
I just thought short handed, 30 minutes into the game, the guy has only played one hand and it felt like he wasn't very happy raising but more because he had to (which maybe should have given the game away)but this was biased thinking because I obviously wanted to call

fuzzbox

I just pass AQo in EP often here.
I then pass to the raise.
Then I lead the flop, and enable me to fold to a push.