Rescheduled Class Breaktime? :0

exiztone

I'm wondering if anyone knows the college's rules and regulations for rescheduling a cancelled lecture. I just got an e-mail from one of my lecturers who has cancelled tomorrow's class and rescheduled it for Wednesday during our break time. Surely that's not allowed. I wouldn't care at all if he gave the class instead of a LAB or something, but our break time is our... well... break time.

Any ideas on the situation?

Nietzschean

how do you mean your 'breaktime'? such a thing doesn't exist in college as far as i'm aware. You get a list of lectures and you attend them, you try eat when you can, quite often for me that can mean lunch at 10am or 5pm.............

snappieT

It means that our 3 hour lunch on Wednesday is now a 2 hour lunch. And our 2 hour lunch on Tuesday is a 3 hour lunch.
Sure, Manzke shouldn't have left it this late to email, but we still have 2 hours on Wednesday

(I'm in his class)

Nietzschean

haha he's moaning about a 3 hour lunch being a 2 hr one? lmao, brilliant!

Pet

Sounds like someone's still stuck in school mode. I have 2 7-hour days, one of which has no break. You're an adult now ffs!

xeduCat

Yeah, seriously, you don't get 'breaks' at college. If you had a lecture scheduled in what would be the only break in a 7/8 hour day, you might get a hearing, but your situation wouldn't meet that bar at all.

Thirdfox

I have 9 hours of lectures a week

exiztone

I'm not moaning about my lack of break time, I'm saying that I've already made plans for that timeslot because the timetable explicitly says I have no lecture. I'm merely asking if they can change that whenever they want.

Thirdfox

I thought lectures were optional? If you want to go that's fine... if you don't well that's fine too (just what I thought...)

snappieT

Not in first year. They're mandatory (though this lecturer doesn't take names)

xeduCat

exiztone wrote:

I'm not moaning about my lack of break time, I'm saying that I've already made plans for that timeslot because the timetable explicitly says I have no lecture. I'm merely asking if they can change that whenever they want.

Yes. Assuming it's a normal full-time course, the college has the right to take away from your leisure-time plans. If it's a serious problem, it's worth mentioning, although as lecture attendance is not formally required for non-JF, non-professional courses, one person's private plans would typically be dismissed by a staff member. If you're looking for a regulation or magic bullet, it doesn't exist, although that doesn't mean that you can't complain. Don't expect much sympathy, though. Added to that, any accommodation for you, in the unlikely event that your pleas are accepted, are more likely to be along the lines of 'here are the notes' rather than 'OK I'll reschedule again'.

Crash

dealing from someone who's been in that class, the easiest possible way is to get someone to email manzke and say its an uncomfortable time. however, due to the fact that you have tons of free time (i know that day, it was great! ) he's perfectly entitled to reschedule it to then - michael's a nice guy though, so if you ask him he might switch it around.

otherwise, just reschedule what you have to do.

oq4v3ht0u76kf2

Talk to your class representative... oh the irony. Sorry. That was a bit much.

ApeXaviour

exiztone wrote:

Surely that's not allowed. I wouldn't care at all if he gave the class instead of a LAB or something

But then wouldnt he have to reschedule the LAB? Surely the lab is more important?




lmao too btw 3-2hrs 2-3hrs. ffs

Boston

xeduCat wrote:

Yeah, seriously, you don't get 'breaks' at college. If you had a lecture scheduled in what would be the only break in a 7/8 hour day, you might get a hearing, but your situation wouldn't meet that bar at all.

actually you're not allowed go for more then five hours without a break. Not only is it law, but it's also in the college charter thing. They often get around it by making things no complusory.

Nietzschean

those 10mins between lectures don't count as a break? i'm sure it probally gets around any law...... by the time those 5hrs are up you'd have had nearly an hour in breaks...

xeduCat

LiouVille wrote:

actually you're not allowed go for more then five hours without a break. Not only is it law, but it's also in the college charter thing. They often get around it by making things no complusory.

No problem. Show me the law. It doesn't exist. As for the charter, it isn't binding and doesn't form part of college regulations (although it's a very useful tool for an argument). Another thing mentioned in the charter that can be of use is the presumption that there should not be Friday afternoon lectures where possible.

Boston

http://www.oasis.gov.ie/employment/employment_rights/hours_breaks_sundays.html

I only mention it since we recently got a two hour lab cancelled after we complained about have a 9-4 day with no break. As for the ten minutes between lectures, you're not entitled to those ten minutes, and often don't get them.

europerson

exiztone wrote:

I'm wondering if anyone knows the college's rules and regulations for rescheduling a cancelled lecture. I just got an e-mail from one of my lecturers who has cancelled tomorrow's class and rescheduled it for Wednesday during our break time. Surely that's not allowed. I wouldn't care at all if he gave the class instead of a LAB or something, but our break time is our... well... break time.

Any ideas on the situation?

Just don't be so silly! You're a big boy/girl now.

Nietzschean

LiouVille wrote:

http://www.oasis.gov.ie/employment/employment_rights/hours_breaks_sundays.html

erm by the looks that applies to employees, not to students.... so your lecturer can't do a solid 9 - 5 day...but you can... *






*may have possibly missed the mention of students...but didn't see it

Thirdfox

ORGANISATION OF WORKING TIME ACT, 1997:

"employee" means a person of any age, who has entered into or works under (or, where the employment has ceased, entered into or worked under) a contract of employment and references, in relation to an employer, to an employee shall be construed as references to an employee employed by that employer; and for the purposes of this Act, a person holding office under, or in the service of, the State (including a civil servant within the meaning of the Civil Service Regulation Act, 1956) shall be deemed to be an employee employed by the State or Government, as the case may be, and an officer or servant of a local authority for the purposes of the Local Government Act, 1941, or of a harbour authority, health board or vocational education committee shall be deemed to be an employee employed by the authority, board or committee, as the case may be;


that is the statute on which the information from

http://www.oasis.gov.ie/employment/employment_rights/hours_breaks_sundays.html

was based on. So it seems that students don't count...

xeduCat

Seriously? The organisation of working time act applying to students? Don't be daft. You're not employed by your college. Just because the law provides for breaks for one group of people doesn't mean that it applies to another, separate group...

wheresthebeef

We had loads of timetabling problems where students were scheduled 9am to 5pm with no breaks. Our Course Co-ordinator just cancelled (and rescheduled in the distance future) the lectures, you cant expect anyone to do a 9-5 day with no breaks especially on a professional course like nursing where you have to attend 100% or you fail to rise with the year.
I think the student charter says that where possible students should not have more than 3 lectures back to back and that students who live down the country should be facilitated where possible by not timetabling much on friday afternoons. Its a nice idea, but its not binding. The College Charter is just a document which sets out some reasonable norms, and sets a yard stick to judge things by.

John

Pfft, I've 12 hour days at the moment with only about twenty minutes for lunch. Do I complain? Only a little.

Boston

xeduCat wrote:

Seriously? The organisation of working time act applying to students? Don't be daft. You're not employed by your college. Just because the law provides for breaks for one group of people doesn't mean that it applies to another, separate group...

Don't be obtuse, I never said students where employees.

xeduCat

LiouVille wrote:

Don't be obtuse, I never said students where employees.

Of course you didn't. I asked you to show me the law that regulated student breaks. You linked to a page called 'Hours/Breaks/Sunday Working' in the 'Employment Rights' subsection of the 'Employment' section of Oasis.gov.ie. The full link was http://www.oasis.gov.ie/employment/employment_rights/hours_breaks_sundays.html (you posted this, not me). The article begins as follows:

For many employees the maximum average working week cannot exceed 48 hours. This does not mean that a working week can never exceed 48 hours, it is the average that is important.

Employees is the third word of the first paragraph. The word 'employee' is mentioned eleven times on the page. The word 'student' is not mentioned once.

So I ask again - what law are you relying on to support your claim?

Boston

I persumed that law applied to students, I was wrong. However at least I based my claims on something (includign the charter), instead of pulling it out my ass, like you did with the extremely vague 7/8 hour comment, so wheres the support for your claim?

ApeXaviour

Ok I think this thread is finished..