U.S Citizenship

LundiMardi

Hello one and all,

Quick oul question for ya's, my gf's father is a U.S Citizen, and she wants to apply for a U.S Passport (she is eligible for this yes?), the only problem is that her father's name is not on her Birth Cert, will this make the process any more difficult? So where does she go from here?

Thanks for listening:)

LundiMardi

oh and is there anyway to get her fathers name on the birth cert now?

StephenRyan

To be honest, my dad's an american citizen and i'm not entitled to a US passport - i'd check that first.

She'd have to apply for citizenship first, then a passport.

galwaydude

Find out from the american embassy in ballsbridge or ring their mickey mouse helpdesk!!

In my case i wont be able to get one for a good numbers of years.Is it worth having dual citizenship irish/american?

Squall

My mom is an American citizen and ive got Irish and American passports(I was born here and have lived here all my life).

In order to attain dual citizenship she has to be registered as a american citizen born abroad. This page tells ya exactly what that entails.

http://travel.state.gov/family/family_issues/birth/birth_593.html

Lack of her fathers name on the cert might cause problems. Oh and she has to be under 18 to be eligable. If shes over 18 im not sure how to go about applying for citizenship... it might not even be possible


Oh and GalwayDude..... its well worth it. Im heading to Boston in 5 weeks for a 6 month internship. I didnt need a visa (close on €800), already have a social security number and theres a high likelyhood ill be offered a permanent job once the internships over (a large factor in that being the fact that I have american citizenship).

I can basically work anywhere in Europs and America with minimal hassle.... that rocks

metrovelvet

OP -That is going to cause MAJOR problems. You may need affadavits and blood tests.

Also I know from Americans in Ireland who have had kids but werent married they have had to sign an affadavit saying they were both present at time of the conception. Im not kidding.

The US embassy is where to go.

Our man in Havana

The US frowns of people having dual citizenship. AFAIK to become a US citizen you have to renounce your former citizenship.

metrovelvet

I have dual citizenship. My mother has treble citizenship. They dont care. Really. They have bigger fish to fry.

galwaydude

The US frowns of people having dual citizenship. AFAIK to become a US citizen you have to renounce your former

i thought it was fine as there is no law which states the US government is for or against dual citizenship.

In saying that once i get my green card next year im good for 10 years unless i want to apply for US citizenship of course.

BTW does anyone know of any shipping companies that ship from ireland to the states.The ones online are a but pricey at 250 euro for 30 kg or is that the norm!

jd

Bond-007 wrote:

The US frowns of people having dual citizenship. AFAIK to become a US citizen you have to renounce your former citizenship.

No you don't.
Granted "they" weren't too impressed when I arrived in JFK travelling on my Irish passport. Oh, and "they" weren't too impressed when I arrived in Dublin using my USA passport...

Our man in Havana

what did they say to you as a matter of interest?

Our man in Havana

metrovelvet wrote:

I have dual citizenship. My mother has treble citizenship. They dont care. Really. They have bigger fish to fry.

My friend who has German/USA citsenship had her German passport confiscated by the US authourties on her return to the USA. They said decide which you want to be.

Terry

Bond-007 wrote:

My friend who has German/USA citsenship had her German passport confiscated by the US authourties on her return to the USA. They said decide which you want to be.

this from a country whose citizens continually go on about being Irish american/ african american/ italian american etc.

Ridire_Dubh

And if your are unsuccessful with your applications for citizenship under the current administration, then apply when the new president is elected and things will change. The current administration is troublesome, to make an understatement.:rolleyes:

jimmycrackcorm

metrovelvet wrote:

Also I know from Americans in Ireland who have had kids but werent married they have had to sign an affadavit saying they were both present at time of the conception. Im not kidding.

Seriously - I saw this on an episode of LA Law...

Manic Moran

I had to do a fair bit of research on this issue when I joined the US Army. Also, in order to be an officer, I needed to have a security clearance, and they frown rather on giving security clearances to people with dual citizenship. Something to do with a perceived conflict of interest, I guess. (This is a relatively recent twist, it didn't used to be the case).

Basically, as it stands right now, the US allows you to have dual citizenship by birthright. For example, I was born in the US of an Irish parent. I did not need to 'seek' citizenship, it was automatic for both nations. If, however, one specifically seeks foreign citizenship: For example, an American lives in Ireland for ten years (or whatever), and then seeks Irish citizenship on long-term-resident grounds, (Or just pays lots of dosh in a brown envelope under table)then the US considers that since you have actively sought foreign citizenship, you have no particular interest in keeping your US citizenship, and that you are revoking in by action. Also, holding a position of authority in another country's armed forces (i.e. officer, possibly NCO), is also grounds for revoking US citizenship.

The situation was relatively fluent. State Department policy was altered in, if I recall, 1984 to recognise dual citizenship. In the late '80s/early 90s, if I recall, there was a change in the actual law to codeify it. In 2000, when I emigrated from Ireland to the US, I was 'brought to the back office' by the INS because I had no Irish stamps on my US passport: I entered Ireland on the Irish one. Upon explaining that I had both, and evidently concluding that I wasn't a threat to National Security, they let me go on my merry way. They did not attempt to confiscate my Irish passport.

With reference to the German incident above, I'm told by an ex who used to have German citizenship that Germany does not recognise dual-citizenship. Perhaps that was it? (Or it was a pre-1990 issue?) Remembering that passports are the property of the issueing government, I'm not sure that the INS would be authorised to retain a passport without the owning country's permission.

NTM

jd

Manic Moran wrote:

Basically, as it stands right now, the US allows you to have dual citizenship by birthright. For example, I was born in the US of an Irish parent. I did not need to 'seek' citizenship, it was automatic for both nations.

This is my situation also..

Our man in Havana

Manic Moran wrote:

With reference to the German incident above, I'm told by an ex who used to have German citizenship that Germany does not recognise dual-citizenship. Perhaps that was it? (Or it was a pre-1990 issue?) Remembering that passports are the property of the issueing government, I'm not sure that the INS would be authorised to retain a passport without the owning country's permission.

NTM

This was in the late 70's or very early 80's as I recall.

I was led to think that if say an Irish national on a green card in the USA applied to become a citizen it was on the understanding that the Irish citizenship would be renounced asap after becoming a US citizen, but few if any bother. I don't know if this is still the case.

boardy

I was wondering why you said this:

Bond-007 wrote:

The US frowns of people having dual citizenship. AFAIK to become a US citizen you have to renounce your former citizenship.

And then saw:

Bond-007 wrote:

My friend who has German/USA citsenship had her German passport confiscated by the US authourties on her return to the USA. They said decide which you want to be.

You do not have to renounce your former citizenship. Just because an immigration agent confiscated a passport does not mean that the country frowns on dual citizenship. If the US did not want the dual citizenship agreement then they would abolish it. The reason why your friend's passport was confiscated is because it is illegal to travel to the US with 2 passports (from different countries). Think about it: How can they keep track of who is coming into the country if people are using 2 passports?


And “yes” wholeheartedly to the person who asked should they get dual citizenship. Not only will you get the best of both worlds, but your children will benefit also.

LundiMardi

so, the answer to the question is yes, she can get a dual citizenship/passport, but the fact her fathers name is not on the Birth Cert will cause problems?

Binomate

Imagine becoming a citizen of every single country in the world. You could actually get rich off the dole!

robinph

They don't care which one your travel on, but they would frown on you changing which passport you are travelling on for different parts of you journey just because it makes it harder to track you then.

My brothers kid has dual passports and when travelling back to the US is often passed between parents, one in the US citizen queue and the EU- non US queue depending on which one is moving fastest. Aparetnly that resulted in them all getting brought straight to the front of the queues and straight through imigration once when one of the passport checkers spotted them and or got pissed off with the kid screaming so much.

Our man in Havana

Binomate wrote:

Imagine becoming a citizen of every single country in the world. You could actually get rich off the dole!

Would be handy in some, but a curse in others. Compulsory military service! :eek:
Getting citizenship of other countries is difficult and usually involves leaving a large brown envelope with the president of a banana republic, most probably in the carribean and central america.

JazzyJ

Dual Citizenship Information from the US State Department:

http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1753.html

Our man in Havana

Thanks for that, very interesting read.