Training Foul Tactics...

columok

Watching one of the Chute Boxe highlights a thought came to me...

Chute Boxe people have shown themselves to be excellent at exploiting what are normally fouls in MMA yet are allowed in Pride e.g stomps, soccer kicks.

Since these foul tactics are much harder to spar, as they would cause relatively serious injuries at lower levels of intensity, how do these athletes manage to be able to employ the timing and skills necessary for using these techniques.

I think theres a very major parallel here with throat strikes and groin kicks tbh.

Thoughts?

Michael O Leary

Good question Colum,

I would be interested in some of the comments as it may bridge the divide between those arts who only utilise techniques that can be used in sparring with full power/speed and arts which include techniques that are too dangerous to spar.

Regards,

Michael O'Leary
www.wingtsun-escrima.ie

Roper

I think you'd probably have to ask them Colum! That said, I wouldn't have said they practise soccer kicks on each others heads, stomps too. Most likely what happens is they spar as normal, maybe do a bit of pad work on these foul deeds, and then can apply them in the ring because they're such good athletes with good timing in general.

Then again I boxed last night and couldn't land a decent jab so WTF would I know?

Cabelo

We're fairly bit into it out here... every underhanded trick in the book should be applied. That's just how we work though.

columok

We're fairly bit into it out here... every underhanded trick in the book should be applied. That's just how we work though.

You're talking about Capoeira. I remember you saying something similar at the Boards Training.

I'm trying to look at training such things for full contact fighting though. Guess its like elbows for thai boxing too. Hard to spar them properly( correct me if I'm wrong) cause you open cuts easy enough.

Also I've read that Ninja and Shogun Rua covered soccer kicking and stomping in a seminar recently in a very in depth way. So... get thinking

fianna.5u.com

We train them in sparring. I use them all the time, usually to the legs but Soccer Kicked Sissy in the face one day. I felt kind bad, mind you it was going to be a leg kick that he shrimped into and of course it was child power.

As for stomps and stuff in Fianna we do them, at about child power, which means the effectiveness is taken out of them and the opp has a much easier time of catching your leg to heel hook, sweep and even knee bar you. Which, if you still do them, makes you good at escaping such moves, which makes you more confident with them. So when its Full power time, its broken rip time. Ha ha

I thought this was going to be a thread about how Rampage said; "I know about Kempo, you use eye pokes in Kempo" about CHuck ahhaha.

Peace

columok

As for stomps and stuff in Fianna we do them, at about child power, which means the effectiveness is taken out of them and the opp has a much easier time of catching your leg to heel hook, sweep and even knee bar you. Which, if you still do them, makes you good at escaping such moves, which makes you more confident with them.

Yeah thats kind of what I was wondering. I knew that by practising them safely within a realistic sparring session because you'd be going easy with them you'd be vulnerable and they'd get you in trouble. But the idea of using em and just improving where vulnerable makes loads of sense.

Thanks Fianna

As for that Rampage quote. Its gold man. Rampage is a legend

I seen a video clip of Chute Boxe training once. The guy on the bottom was holding a big pad covering face, the other was trying to pass his guard from standing and soccer kick the pad. Lost the link for the video.

Didn't see anything about stomping. I'd wonder how much skill is involved in though. For building up you could just stomp on a crash mat or a pad or something. For stomping a move target you just try stomping on a belt that someone is moving about from the other end.

MaxBax

yeah i think i saw the clip showing some guy holding the pad at his head etc.

i would have said they just go with the flow and kick the way they do a ball, they're brazialian, they're probably quite good at it. they've probably had their share of beach fights too so probably have "sparred" these things in live scenarios.

Clive

How can you train punching someone in the face - surely that would cause constant injuries and people getting knocked out left and right?

Exactly the same principal.

Chute Boxe mainly use Muay Thai and BJJ - if you're good enough to take someone down and pass their guard standing, good enough to land a decent kick to someone on their feet fighting back, well then punting someones head or standing out of mount to stomp is just a happy ending.

Alternatively you could just go and train there to find out!
http://www.academiachuteboxe.com.br/

MaxBax

i wish i could speak portuguese. and japanse. and russian.