Penalties in GAA?

Lemlin

Was at the Sligo IT vs Jordanstown game here in the college yesterday. The game ended all square and the teams were still level after extra-time. So it went to penalties which I'm baffled about.

I didn't think there were penalties in GAA matches. I've certainly never heard of it before and I was amazed to see it yesterday. Anybody I asked had never heard of it either.

Well done to Jordanstown who won btw. It must of been tough for them taking the penalties with the Sligo crowd on their backs.

There'll be new Sigerson champions this year. Here's a report of the game:

http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=56724

Defending champions Sligo IT are out of this year’s Sigerson Cup after losing out by 2-4 on penalties to UUJ after the sides drew 0-14 apiece at Ballinode.

The sides were level six times in the second half with Michael Doherty firing over the equaliser to pull the score back to 0-10 apiece going into added-on time.

The sides were still deadlocked, 0-12 each, after the first 20 minute period of extra-time with both recording two points each thereafter by the end of the second period.

The game then went to penalties with Michael McNamee, Patrick Cunningham, Rory Murray and Paul Forker all netting to send the northerners through to the semi-finals.

mchurl

I think that only the sigerson has penalties bacause they havent got enough time to have replays in it because they have only a certain time period to finish it due to the national league etc.

cruiserweight

mchurl wrote:

I think that only the sigerson has penalties bacause they havent got enough time to have replays in it because they have only a certain time period to finish it due to the national league etc.

That makes sense! I think it was in the FDB league or something this year they had a golden score in extra time! :eek:

StupidLikeAFox

I was always under the impression that it went to free kicks. That the first was taken at the 12yd line, the the 21, then the 45, until someone missed the kick. Was 90% sure this was the case, obv not though

Wickla in Blaa

This all news to me, Wow never thought I'ld see that

Kojak

cruiserweight wrote:

I think it was in the FDB league or something this year they had a golden score in extra time! :eek:

I could be wrong but I think that rule was actually in the Connacht Hurling League, not the FBD football league.

cruiserweight

Kojak wrote:

I could be wrong but I think that rule was actually in the Connacht Hurling League, not the FBD football league.

Yeah one of those western thingy's

Lemlin

Was strange to watch. Apparently the referee had to ring someone and find out what to do next after the extra time.

blackbelt

Penalties suck big time and are no real/fair way of distinguishing which team is the best.

Now its more accepted in soccer,but gaelic is totally different as it is easier to score.I think this idea of penalties or free kicks should be banned from gaelic....let them play more extra time if needs be,gaelic should not conform to or follow soccer.The best plan of action is to play two extra halves after extra time is played,say two 5/10 minute halves.Surely that would be enough to find a winner.

As mentioned,it is only part of this particular league/cup.Thank God for that but if its to be introduced into any major league or cup,it would just ruin the game in my opinion.

mchurl

St. Galls of Antrim won last years Kilmacud sevens on penalties.

Imposter

blackbelt wrote:

As mentioned,it is only part of this particular league/cup.Thank God for that but if its to be introduced into any major league or cup,it would just ruin the game in my opinion.

You obviously don't realise what the Sigerson Cup is then!

Does anyone know if this would also be the same for the Fitzgibbon?

Lemlin

blackbelt wrote:

Penalties suck big time and are no real/fair way of distinguishing which team is the best.

Now its more accepted in soccer,but gaelic is totally different as it is easier to score.I think this idea of penalties or free kicks should be banned from gaelic....let them play more extra time if needs be,gaelic should not conform to or follow soccer.The best plan of action is to play two extra halves after extra time is played,say two 5/10 minute halves.Surely that would be enough to find a winner.

As mentioned,it is only part of this particular league/cup.Thank God for that but if its to be introduced into any major league or cup,it would just ruin the game in my opinion.

The Sigerson is the GAA college equivalent of the All-Ireland so its pretty important. All-Stars (called the Datapac All-Stars) are even given out each year in it.

Also, its harder to score a penalty in Gaelic than soccer. Only 1 in 3 Gaelic penalties are scored AFAIK.

Dont Ban Me

Imposter wrote:

You obviously don't realise what the Sigerson Cup is then!

Does anyone know if this would also be the same for the Fitzgibbon?

First I've heard of penalties in GAA I thought it just kept going with more and more extra time until there was a winner?!

But I couldnt imagine there being penalties in the Fitzgibbon, that would be a disaster!! IMO its a disaster that there are panalties in the Sigerson! :rolleyes:

Kojak

Dont Ban Me wrote:

But I couldnt imagine there being penalties in the Fitzgibbon, that would be a disaster!!

Surely, that couldn't happen. As you said it would be a disaster. Maybe if the situation arose where the teams were level after 2 periods of extra time they could play another 10 minutes, say, and whoever got the most goals won the game.

Only a suggestion.

mchurl

The organisers of the competitions should specify before the tournament starts which way the games are going to be decided if such a situation arises. For a referee to have to ring up to find out what to do next in such a pretigious competition just shouldn't be happening.

Waylander

A decision like that could not be made on the fly, I am sure the organisers had stipulated this, but the ref was unaware or unsure of what proceedure he should follow so he double checked.

The Rooster

blackbelt wrote:

The best plan of action is to play two extra halves after extra time is played,say two 5/10 minute halves.Surely that would be enough to find a winner.

Thats exactly what they did do, but still the side could not be separated!

Lemlin, did points count?

I doubt it, but would add a great bit of strategy to it!

I'm hugely in favour of shootouts! Although for GAA I'd prefer frees from distance rather than pens, because skill would count for more than luck.

Lemlin

The Rooster wrote:

Thats exactly what they did do, but still the side could not be separated!

Lemlin, did points count?

I doubt it, but would add a great bit of strategy to it!

I'm hugely in favour of shootouts! Although for GAA I'd prefer frees from distance rather than pens, because skill would count for more than luck.

Nope, goals only. It was the exact same as a soccer shoot-out.

blackbelt

Well when I said its easier to score in gaelic,I was referring to points rather than goals but penalties are no proper way to distinguish who's best.I maintain that if two teams can't be separated after two extra time segments then call it a draw and reschedule the match.

Penalty shootouts don't really belong in GAA in my opinion.Can you imagine if they were introduced to the championship?We wouldn't have classic games to remember like Dublin-Tyrone 1,Cavan-Tyrone 1 and other matches.Plus can you imagine if the All Ireland was decided by penalties?...It would discredit the game.

gipo2

ColHol wrote:

I was always under the impression that it went to free kicks. That the first was taken at the 12yd line, the the 21, then the 45, until someone missed the kick. Was 90% sure this was the case, obv not though

Where is the 12 yard line?

LegacyUser

gipo2 wrote:

Where is the 12 yard line?

ROFL

kelloggs

any got any alternatives as to how to end a drawn game then? i think something like a tennis tie breaker could work. i.e: first team to go 2/3 points up wins it. that could take some time though but it would certainly be fairer than penalties.

Culchie

2/3 pts .... it would go on for ever.

If teams can't be seperated after draws and replays, extra time etc.... then I think there is a fair enough way to decide it.

A bit like penalties. US Soccer tried this in the 80's .... the shootout.

Basically get a player to collect the ball on the 45 ... solo towards the goal, and then shoot for a goal or a point whatever he wants.

Repeat this for 5 players .... which ever team has the highest tally wins from the 5 players ... if a draw, sudden death with player No. 6.

I think that's the fairest way to divide two teams.

Iascaire

bruachain wrote:

ROFL

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Anway

Culchie wrote:

2/3 pts .... it would go on for ever.

If teams can't be seperated after draws and replays, extra time etc.... then I think there is a fair enough way to decide it.

A bit like penalties. US Soccer tried this in the 80's .... the shootout.

Basically get a player to collect the ball on the 45 ... solo towards the goal, and then shoot for a goal or a point whatever he wants.

Repeat this for 5 players .... which ever team has the highest tally wins from the 5 players ... if a draw, sudden death with player No. 6.

I think that's the fairest way to divide two teams.

Complicated plus luck plays big part, I think the frees moving further out every time would be a good one.