Maniac table question, Fitz 20 rebuy

barrera

Fitz 20 rebuy last night, and I got stuck at a lunatic table with more all-ins than any other table I've ever seen.

I don't particularly know individual players, but some at the table who appeared to be well known to the dealers (hope I've picked names up correctly) included an English guy called Vernon, a Willie Thorne lookalike from Dublin (who had a monstrous stack when I was knocked out), Paddy Hicks (who largely didn't participate in the mania).

At 10/25 at start, it was already fast and furious - as if someone had put a rule of minimum raise of 300 on the table, led off by Vernon and 'Willie Thorne'. I was keeping well clear, until I found AA in mid-late position; decided to entice by raising to 100, a couple of callers, 'WT' raises to 500, and I went all-in. He had AQ, A on flop, so a nice double-up.

Next hand I had AQ, ended up with someone else all-in for 1200 odd, which I called, they had A8 or some such, and picked up the 8.

Next hand was a scene of utter carnage, and is where my question comes from. I had AQ again - when it came to me, there was already two all-ins, who I had marginally covered, and the eager beaver to my left had assumed I was going to fold and had said call. So I went all-in (wouldn't have made any difference to guy to my left), and when the dust settled there were 4 or 5 all-in with another covering.

Hands showing were AJ, KQ, 55, QJ etc - with KJ on board after turn, I was praying for the 10, but no joy, and Vernon took down the lot.

Question - was this the time to tighten up and duck the bet, or knowing that I was minimum 3-1 in pot odds, was it a no-brainer all-in?

Post Script - there was another hand at 50/100 with 4 all-ins and one covering. Vernon despite taking the monster pot went out before the break having blown the lot and all rebuys. 'Willie Thorne' had a killer stack at break, and was cannily bullying people off hands and taking others out after break. Myself, after having TT twice all-in vs Paddy Hicks (lost first, won 2nd), I was knocked out when a 'WT' raise to 2500, I went all in with A9 with my 2600, he showed TT, no improvement, gone. As I was downstairs, couldn't tell how many were left.

padraig_f

Question - was this the time to tighten up and duck the bet, or knowing that I was minimum 3-1 in pot odds, was it a no-brainer all-in?

Fold for me I think. Against one player in a loose rebuy game like that, I'd happily get all-in pre-flop with AQ, against more than one though I think you're rarely getting much of an overlay (assuming you've nothing invested when you're faced with the decision for all your chips).

e.g. AQ against A8 and TT.

You have one player dominated and 2 overcards against the other, great spot, right?

Surprisingly not:
Hand 1: 33.6940 % 32.56% 01.13% { AQo }
Hand 2: 09.0819 % 07.95% 01.13% { A8o }
Hand 3: 57.2241 % 57.13% 00.10% { TT }

AQ here has 33.6% equity, so it's pretty much break-even, but that's in a quite favourable scenario. With multiple all-ins, you'll often find yourself in much worse shape than that.

ollyk1

If your stack was ~ 3k I'd easily fold. You'll get plenty of better opportunities at such a loose table to accumulate chips. If your stack is less than a rebuy 1 or 1.5 k I'd call and gamble it up.

I don't like throwing away €20 if I have a reasonable stack but you have to be prepared to gamble if your stack is short.

In fairness you have a great action table with others paying for your stack if you get any sort of run of luck at all. Perfect rebuy table really for making a push for the big money on the night. It always amuses me people complaining about this sort of thing in rebuy games (not the OP is sayig this I'm just comenting generally here). Trust me this is what you want.

If you want a tight table all game than play a freezeout but if you are playing a rebuy you have to adapt and adjust to the dynamics of the tournie in the rebuy stages and try to get a nice stack ion the cheap and then allow the rebuy gamblers to make mistakes in the freezeout stages.

Norwich Fan Rob

yes, this is the sort of table u want in a rebuy, most of the chips will be on it.
And from what ive seen, Vernon always plays like that :P

The main thing i find here, is try not to go down to their level, its easy to go calling all ins with A8, A9, just cause they had KJ, QJ previously etc, remember maniacs can get monsters too.

Patient play on these tables is the key, u will get paid off when u hit a hand, so do dont need to hit too many to build up a reasonable stack.

barrera

ollyk1 wrote:

If your stack was ~ 3k I'd easily fold. You'll get plenty of better opportunities at such a loose table to accumulate chips. If your stack is less than a rebuy 1 or 1.5 k I'd call and gamble it up.

I don't like throwing away €20 if I have a reasonable stack but you have to be prepared to gamble if your stack is short.

In fairness you have a great action table with others paying for your stack if you get any sort of run of luck at all. Perfect rebuy table really for making a push for the big money on the night. It always amuses me people complaining about this sort of thing in rebuy games (not the OP is sayig this I'm just comenting generally here). Trust me this is what you want.

If you want a tight table all game than play a freezeout but if you are playing a rebuy you have to adapt and adjust to the dynamics of the tournie in the rebuy stages and try to get a nice stack ion the cheap and then allow the rebuy gamblers to make mistakes in the freezeout stages.

After my double-up, then my AQ loss I was about 1,400. Although I must admit I was phased by how loose the table was at first, I don't think I've enjoyed a table as much before, even though I got nowhere near the money. It was infectious though - second last hand of rebuys, I went all-in with 44 (daft, I know, but I had one rebuy left), got two callers, and 4s held up with no improvement.

If anyone knows how it turned out, I'd be grateful to hear.

brianmc

barrera wrote:

After my double-up, then my AQ loss I was about 1,400. Although I must admit I was phased by how loose the table was at first, I don't think I've enjoyed a table as much before, even though I got nowhere near the money. It was infectious though - second last hand of rebuys, I went all-in with 44 (daft, I know, but I had one rebuy left), got two callers, and 4s held up with no improvement.

If anyone knows how it turned out, I'd be grateful to hear.

Your push with 44 on the second last hand isn't that daft. If you're prepared to spend the money (and you should be) in a tournament like this then if you're short toward the end of the rebuys I'd be quite happy to push with any likely cards in the hope of getting a stack, safe in the knowledge that I can buy a stack at the break if I don't get through.