Imigration from a more objective view

MorningStar

I found this and thought it was pretty well written and balanced. Not sure about the comments made directly about what Irish people are saying (they take or woman, jobs and houses etc...) I'm sure it is said by stupid illeductaed people but I dobt it is a prevailing view. Either way it is still interesting and seems to cme from a pretty balanced place.

http://www.africamigration.com/archive_01/j_komolafe_searching.htm

P.S. it is really long

Gator

I doubt it

Terry

damn goobacks.
THEY TOOK OUR JOBS.


i'm all for immigration.
the Irish are the last people on earth who can complain about immigration. if all the people in the world who claim Irish ancestry were to come over here, we would be completely boned.

MorningStar

julep wrote:

damn goobacks.
THEY TOOK OUR JOBS.

i'm all for immigration.
the Irish are the last people on earth who can complain about immigration. if all the people in the world who claim Irish ancestry were to come over here, we would be completely boned.

I really dislike the argument that we can't complain becasue we went to other countries and we have so many people able to claim citizenship.

If imigration is a problem now in this country it should be address on the merits or otherwise of the situation. International agreements and laws should be adhered to. If people come here becasue of lax legislation then it is fair to stiffen the legislation for both ourselves and our neighbours. I would rather 1 innocent person dies than 1000 criminals allowed into this country while others beleive the reverse. I base my compasion on the greater good. Of course I'd rather nobody suffer but we have a right to maintain are own culture and social structure we have worked very hard for it.

Terry

i agree with you on that point. yes, we do need regulation regarding who comes into our country. unfortunately the PC brigade would have you believe that every person who comes here from the third world is an innocent person looking to get away from oppression. we all know that this is not true.
immigration does howere have the benefit of opening us up to other cultures and broadening our horizons. and hell, if we can help a few people become milloonaires, why the hell shouldn't we help them?

AngryBadger

Seems to me that everything in that article is obvious to any right-thinking individuals.

MorningStar

AngryBadger wrote:

Seems to me that everything in that article is obvious to any right-thinking individuals.

Right-thinking people means right wing views to me is that what you meant?

AngryBadger

MorningStar wrote:

Right-thinking people means right wing views to me is that what you meant?

lol not at all, I meant that the observations regarding about nigerians moving to find better economic circumstances, people giving birth over here for visas, and so on, is pretty common knowledge for the most part, and a lot of the rest should be obvious with basic intuition.

Hobbes

His figures imply that he factored in immigration + thoses who had Refugee status (not Asylum seekers). One of the better reports I have read.

I noticed in 2000 that Nigerians made up 0.15% of the population. Wonder what it is now.

But you could certainly put the same context in the paper in relation to Irish and emigration to the USA.

Delboy05

Hobbes wrote:

His figures imply that he factored in immigration + thoses who had Refugee status (not Asylum seekers). One of the better reports I have read.

I read that report a while back. Interesting to get a nigerian viewpoint on Ireland and the migration between there and here I suppose. I think it's written with rose tinted glasses though and is very simplistic - the idea that nigerian women came here, had their babies and left is just mental. Where did the huge numbers applying in McDowells recent amnesty come from??? - they had to be living here to apply. He quotes all these writers and authorities on migration which makes the work look professional, but leave all that out and I would have said this was written by a nigerian transition year student.

I hope the author did'nt get his doctorate or whatever it is, based on that piece of work, as it's very poor quality in my opinion - a very PC view on nigerian immigration to Ireland.

Pythia

I am not against immigration, only illegal immigration.

RoundyMooney

Hobbes wrote:

I noticed in 2000 that Nigerians made up 0.15% of the population. Wonder what it is now.

An interesting question, (not just vis a vis Nigerians, but all nationalities, be they workers or aspiring/actual refugees). I presume we'll have to wait for the next census?

Interesting because I was in Dublin city centre recently after an absence of a couple of years, and as an outside observer, I couldn't get over the large ratio of non-nationals to locals compared to, say four years ago.

Sleepy

You know what hit me most about that paper: that something so poorly written could be considered of doctoral quality by an Irish university.

Hobbes

RoundyMooney wrote:

Interesting because I was in Dublin city centre recently after an absence of a couple of years, and as an outside observer, I couldn't get over the large ratio of non-nationals to locals compared to, say four years ago.

True. When I came back from the US in 2001 I couldn't get over how many say Asian people were in the city center. But then it is not really reflective of the whole. For example nearly everyone I know rarely if ever goes into town. Too much hassle to get in there and cheaper/closer places outside the city.

MorningStar

Sleepy wrote:

You know what hit me most about that paper: that something so poorly written could be considered of doctoral quality by an Irish university.

Well you know not everybody has English as their first language. Irish people speak and write their version of English too so maybe that effects your view also.

Sleepy

Yeah, I know that but even allowing for the paper to have been written in a second language, the writing was still mediocre at best and tbh, there wasn't actually anything revelatory about the paper and it seemed like the author knew that as there were qualifications all over the place...

Delboy05

As I said, a secondary school student could have wrote that paper. Very badly put together, childish statements, anonyomous interviews!!!!!! and a very PC and liberal attitude to nigerian immigration to Ireland.
If doctorates are that easy to obtain, I'll sign up.....

MorningStar

Delboy05 wrote:

As I said, a secondary school student could have wrote that paper. Very badly put together, childish statements, anonyomous interviews!!!!!! and a very PC and liberal attitude to nigerian immigration to Ireland.
If doctorates are that easy to obtain, I'll sign up.....

Actually I think it is a lot more balanced than most articles. You just claiming it is a liberal view without any direct point seems childish. I think it shows that people didn't come here for asylum but as imigrants. The liberal PC view to me mean it would have gone on about how people come for their safety.

I have seen a lot worse published in papers in this country. What is wrong with unnamed interviewees? If he used surveys there wouldn't be any name with comments made.

I don't think it is perfect but it is honest and blunt about how and why people have come to Ireland from Nigeria. There is a bias but I have seen a lot worse in papers

Delboy05

MorningStar wrote:

I think it shows that people didn't come here for asylum but as imigrants.
I don't think it is perfect but it is honest and blunt about how and why people have come to Ireland from Nigeria. There is a bias but I have seen a lot worse in papers

In all fairness, I think it's obvious to all, that the vast majority of Nigerians in Ireland come here via the asylum system. Now we can argue on whether they do this because we give out very few work permits to africans bar via the medical profession or because they are genuine asylum seekers.
But there's no denying that the nigerian presence in ireland has been secured via the asylum process.....

Sleepy

Ìt's neither the (mild) bias nor the viewpoint that put me off it. If told that it was an undergraduate paper, I'd be less critical but I'd expect more from a Phd.

MorningStar

Delboy05 wrote:

In all fairness, I think it's obvious to all, that the vast majority of Nigerians in Ireland come here via the asylum system. Now we can argue on whether they do this because we give out very few work permits to africans bar via the medical profession or because they are genuine asylum seekers.
But there's no denying that the nigerian presence in ireland has been secured via the asylum process.....

What are you basing that on? It is just a view without any backing. I still think the article shows a bit more of the history and feelings of the Nigerian people coming here. I don't beleive many people are aware of most of it especially when you see stupid threads about them getting free cars.

You seem to be more inclined to think the worst of their entry from what you are saying . I think the article shows less bias than that

alan1978

The Nigerian presence in Ireland is almost all down to bogus asylum claims. They bogged down the system so much the McDowell went and gave thousands of them residency. It is very fortunate that we closed the citizenship loophole, otherwise we would be buried with many thousands more.

The fact that 78% of people voted to change the constitution shows what most people think of Nigerian asylum seekers.