Quick folding question......

aFlabbyPanda

I've been getting conflicting advice about at what point during the game you can fold. by this I mean do you have to wait your turn or can you just chuck your cards at any time. same say yes others say you can only if someone raises......


clarification would be great thanks.

The C Kid

You have to wait until it is your turn.

ditpoker

my understanding is you can muck your cards whenever you like, its just poor ettiquette. (doubt i spelt that right!)

padser

ditpoker wrote:

my understanding is you can muck your cards whenever you like, its just poor ettiquette. (doubt i spelt that right!)

You only can do it only to the extent that if you do chuck in your cards, you have folded. It is however against the rules and persistently doing it in most casinos/tournaments will incure a penelty, possibly having to sit out a certain number of hands etc.

The reason behind the rule is that it gives people information that they shouldnt have. For example if its folded to the button and he raises. While the SB is making his decision the BB chucks in his hand. Id be mad if I was the button because (assuming i wanted them to fold) it means the SB doesnt have to worry about a re raise from the BB.

Bottom line, always wait your turn to act, no matter what you are going to do.:p

fixer

has anyone ever seen an Irish cardroom issue a penalty for acting out of turn or other such actions? Stern words from the dealers & floor, but I've never seen anyone actually given a "time out".

fuzzbox

fixer wrote:

has anyone ever seen an Irish cardroom issue a penalty for acting out of turn or other such actions? Stern words from the dealers & floor, but I've never seen anyone actually given a "time out".

That doesnt mean that you should do it.

And you will get berated by a few of the ... shall we say ... more vocal players (and rightly so).

Wait your damn turn please.

califano

I hate to see a player folding 'in turn' when there isnt a bet into the player. You usually see this when the river card is dealt and the player who the action is on with several players behind him knowing that he's not going to win a showdown and is going to fold to a bet anyway folds. Its bad form because it can influence a player to bet knowing that this is one less player he has to get through.
I dont know if they either dont realise this or dont care or both.
I last seen someone do this at the fitz friday scalps game a couple of weeks ago.
Not the biggest sin but its annoying to see.

brianmc

Another thing annoying me recently too is players folding as soon as they hear the word "raise" but not waiting for the bet to be made.

If you are the only other person in the hand - fine. But if there are others in the hand it can affect the size of the bet being made.

As said earlier...

Wait your damned turn.

ianmc38

rounders123 wrote:

I hate to see a player folding 'in turn' when there isnt a bet into the player. You usually see this when the river card is dealt and the player who the action is on with several players behind him knowing that he's not going to win a showdown and is going to fold to a bet anyway folds. Its bad form because it can influence a player to bet knowing that this is one less player he has to get through.
I dont know if they either dont realise this or dont care or both.
I last seen someone do this at the fitz friday scalps game a couple of weeks ago.
Not the biggest sin but its annoying to see.

I'd never do that myself, but i dont have a problem with it. Often happens on the flop as well. It gives you the same decisions to make as everyone else, so not really an advantage to anyone.

Culchie

ianmc38 wrote:

I'd never do that myself, but i dont have a problem with it. Often happens on the flop as well. It gives you the same decisions to make as everyone else, so not really an advantage to anyone.

Any information is helpful.

It's a bit like mid table teams in soccer putting out a second team against a relegation battler one week, and then the next week they have a full team out against their 'local rivals' also involved in the relegation dog fight.
It takes away from the integrity of the game.

Players should wait their turn.

5starpool

rounders123 wrote:

I hate to see a player folding 'in turn' when there isnt a bet into the player. You usually see this when the river card is dealt and the player who the action is on with several players behind him knowing that he's not going to win a showdown and is going to fold to a bet anyway folds. Its bad form because it can influence a player to bet knowing that this is one less player he has to get through.
I dont know if they either dont realise this or dont care or both.
I last seen someone do this at the fitz friday scalps game a couple of weeks ago.
Not the biggest sin but its annoying to see.

This doesn't particularly bother me as it mostly happens when a pot has been checked on a couple of streets all round. If it happens in a betting pot then it rarely happens until the river when there would usually only be 2/3 bettors anyhow.

The only time I occasionally do this is in Omaha cash hands, or if I need to leave the table in a tournament, as just getting up leaving is the same thing anyhow.

Edit: Above stands only when done in turn.

ollyk1

I personally dislike the BB actively showing his disinterest in not calling a short stacks all in so that the button or SB can consider calling with a marginal hand out of position.

You see this all the time in the middle stage of tournies as the BB wants to see the shortstack knocked out but hasn't the cards to call himself so he gives info to the table to try and encourage one of them to call.

You may not call with mid pair out of position because you are afraid the hand might be played three way and you have no chips already in so its a reasonably easy fold but with the BB having his cards halfway over the line it makes it an easy call because now there is extra value in the shape of an undefended BB to add to the pot. Fair enough checking a pot down where you both have committed chips but this is not a team game (in general!) and colluding to take a player out is bad form.

P.S.

Another pet peeve of mine which is OT is hiding chips. I mean serious amateur hour stuff is all these guys "hiding" a big stack of large denomination chips behind the lower ones. Good players know where the chips are and are watching so you achieve nothing bar actively advertising you are a pub game amateur. The SE double chance games are full of this sh1te. I personally use this to my advantage in a number of ways but I hate seeing a new guy getting stacked because he didn't see that the guy had him covered when he thought he was bullying a short stack. Personally I'll take your chips straight up (or I won't ;p) I don't need to go looking for some school boy angle.

ianmc38

Culchie wrote:

Players should wait their turn.

We were talking about someone folding when it has been checked to them. Not folding out of turn.

padser

ollyk1 wrote:

regarding hiding chips.

I remember a tounrmament i saw a while back. Cant remember what it was, but i remember heads up the there was a massive pot. The shorter of the two stacks realised he was going to be taken all in on the river, he had a reasonable hand, was pot committed and wouldnt be able to fold. He was first to act and rather then check on the off chance his stack wouldnt be called off, he performed what looked like an all in. He said nothing and pushed 'all' of his chips accross the line. He had four or five high denonimation chips that were shielded from view on the other side of his arm as he moved the chips across the line. He left these. It was immediatly called before his oppenent realised he hadnt put in all his chips. It all took only a couple of seconds so at no point was he 'shielding' chips from view per say, he was simply making a raise.

I personally thought it was an excellent move, if a tad underhand.

Back on topic, the BB feigning disinterest is to my mind exactly the same as acting out of turn, unless you konw he is the type of slimy ****** who would do this to induce a call.

ditpoker

padser wrote:

I remember a tounrmament i saw a while back. Cant remember what it was, but i remember heads up the there was a massive pot. The shorter of the two stacks realised he was going to be taken all in on the river, he had a reasonable hand, was pot committed and wouldnt be able to fold. He was first to act and rather then check on the off chance his stack wouldnt be called off, he performed what looked like an all in. He said nothing and pushed 'all' of his chips accross the line. He had four or five high denonimation chips that were shielded from view on the other side of his arm as he moved the chips across the line. He left these. It was immediatly called before his oppenent realised he hadnt put in all his chips. It all took only a couple of seconds so at no point was he 'shielding' chips from view per say, he was simply making a raise.

GREAT PLAY!!! (if a tad cheeky!!)

RoundTower

padser wrote:

Back on topic, the BB feigning disinterest is to my mind exactly the same as acting out of turn, unless you konw he is the type of slimy ****** who would do this to induce a call.

I don't think there's anything wrong with this. You want to read the opponents who are acting after you, it's hardly dishonest for them to try to mislead you.