£2/5 cash game hand for discussion

Norwich Fan Rob

hand that just came up for me about 20 minutes ago...6 handed £2/5 cash table

Player A utg £170 (seemed to be in most pots)
Player B utg+ £480 (notes say he is poor, wont lay a hand down)
Me BB with £525

J3 spades on the BB, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, SB makes up, i check.

Flop comes AT5 all spades.
UTG bets £25, UTG+ makes it £50, i make it £130, UTG all in, UTG+1 all in..................me ????????????

Any thoughts

ianmc38

Norwich Fan Rob wrote:

hand that just came up for me about 20 minutes ago...6 handed £2/5 cash table

Player A utg £170 (seemed to be in most pots)
Player B utg+ £480 (notes say he is poor, wont lay a hand down)
Me BB with £525

J3 spades on the BB, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, SB makes up, i check.

Flop comes AT5 all spades.
UTG bets £25, UTG+ makes it £50, i make it £130, UTG all in, UTG+1 all in..................me ????????????

Any thoughts

Call because at worst, you're big favourite in the sidepot. At best you're miles head of both.

If UTG has KsXs and UTG+1 has QsXs, then i'd be sick as a dog but thats poker. This is an easy call for me.

fuzzbox

I go broke here most often.

fuzzbox

ianmc38 wrote:

Call because at worst, you're big favourite in the sidepot. At best you're miles head of both.

If UTG has KsXs and UTG+1 has QsXs, then i'd be sick as a dog but thats poker. This is an easy call for me.

At worst, you are drawing dead for both pots.

Norwich Fan Rob

my thoughts are that i might be drawing dead in both pots, i dont like putting another £340 odd stg into a pot that i might be drawing dead in.
I was on a run on 6 str8 decent cash sessions as a result of keeping out of bother and outplaying people when the time was right.

However, would utg+1 (my main concern, he had most of the cash) move in here with made K flush, maybe, or maybe not. Also, my notes saying he was a bit of a muppet needed to be considered also.

It was a marginal one for me, one of those close your eyes and press call situations, invariably unless they have a lower made flush, they will have outs,

I wont say what i did or what happened yet (there was a side pot so the hand was being played out 1 way or another), interested to here a few more opinions first.

Samba

Hmm, unlikely that they are both on the flush/draw, my sneaky suspicion is that a set has been flopped here by one of the players and they do not want to give the 1 card flush a cheap draw. The only set i can see from the pre-flop action is 55, or a badly played AA. 10 10 is raising here short handed 90% of the time as should AA.

I would also be surpised if it was the villain who had the 55, as he would also raise PF.

The boat hit?

Like fuzzbox, i'm probably going broke here, i have had it happen on a few occasions, not enough to make me fold though.

One inclination to fold is cheap/free information, the cards are getting flipped over and you can get some great information for future tangoes the dilema with this, is if you did have the winning hand, you will be annoyed with yourself for folding.

This is a very difficult situation

padraig_f

I'd have to call it. It's mainly UTG+1 your worried about, and I don't think he'd reraise (which he does twice) with either the nut flush or 2nd nut flush. Poor players usually slow-play to a fault and I'd expect him to flat-call with either of those hands to try and get you involved.

ianmc38

fuzzbox wrote:

At worst, you are drawing dead for both pots.

Well thats technically at worst, I was thinking more realistically based on the villain UTG+1.

I don't think anyone is reraising all-in here with the made nut-flush. Therefore for me, UTG+1 either has 1. TP TK 2. A set 3. A draw to the nut flush or maybe even a horrificly played 2 pair, but I'm leaning towards a set.

kickintheteeth

call, ur definately ahead, either ur up against two trips, and then ur praying, or ur up against one trip and one flush(J high is good), cant see it being anything else! i think, ;-), so wat happened?

Norwich Fan Rob

yes for me it was a call, i guess i just wanted to see if the general consensus was that i had to go broke on this hand, which was my initial opinion.

i think letting this go would be -ev long term.

anyway short stack had 2 4 spades for a small made flush - drawing dead.

bit stack had A5 for top and bottom 2 pair (2 outs vs a set and 4 outs vs my made flush).

(i wont mention what came on the river to avoid turning this into a bad beat post :mad: )

MrPillowTalk

regardless of having seen the results, I call here due to your notes, if its two solid regulars then I would drop.

fuzzbox

Norwich Fan Rob wrote:

yes for me it was a call, i guess i just wanted to see if the general consensus was that i had to go broke on this hand, which was my initial opinion.

i think letting this go would be -ev long term.

anyway short stack had 2 4 spades for a small made flush - drawing dead.

bit stack had A5 for top and bottom 2 pair (2 outs vs a set and 4 outs vs my made flush).

(i wont mention what came on the river to avoid turning this into a bad beat post :mad: )

Neither of them were dead (3s makes str8 flush).
On a side note, never fold any flush Vs these two, they are pretty sucky

hotspur

That's a pretty good scenario for analysis I think. Given you have the flush it is reasonable to think that the UTG is drawing to a high flush, and if he has one it's very likely to be lower than yours. UTG+1 it is most likely to be a made hand that isn't a high flush, meaning as set or as it turns out a somewhat overplayed 2 pair. If that is your analysis then your call was good. if UTG is drawing to higher flush and UTG+1 has a set you will take it all 42% of the time, and of the times you don't you will take the sidepot 40% of the time. It was a good call and the kind of one you can make with more confidence at a 6 player table without being paranoid about higher flopped flushes eevrywhere. Unlucky that the boat ruined your day.