Is this just bad etiquette?

ianmc38 · 10-02-2006 10:48am #1

Again, in the SE last night. Old guy at the table wearing as much gold as Mr. T. An apt description would be big mouthed, ultra-aggressive maniac.

The board was TQ36J. he called a huge bet on the turn. The led on the river for 150 or so. He gets called and turns over an Ace. The other guy smiles and shows trips and then the guy turns over his other card showing the nut straight - AK.

Is this just bad table etiquette or is there any rule relating to this?

Degag · 10-02-2006 10:55am

ianmc38 wrote:

Again, in the SE last night. Old guy at the table wearing as much gold as Mr. T. An apt description would be big mouthed, ultra-aggressive maniac.

The board was TQ36J. he called a huge bet on the turn. The led on the river for 150 or so. He gets called and turns over an Ace. The other guy smiles and shows trips and then the guy turns over his other card showing the nut straight - AK.

Is this just bad table etiquette or is there any rule relating to this?

Theres no rule that i'm aware of, but it is definatly bad etiquette.

DapperGent · 10-02-2006 10:57am

It's just being a prick.

People like that usually play with their egos though which invariably means they are losing players.

Kinetic^ · 10-02-2006 10:58am

It's kind of like a "fcuk you" to the guy that lost, bad manners IMO.

JoeyJJ · 10-02-2006 11:04am

Yeah defo not nice...

I remember in only fools and horses dellboy said two pair in a draw game and had a poker, I would have called that alright, but don't think there is anything in NL. Bad manners alright...

Lex · 10-02-2006 11:10am

Slow-rolling fcuker! Bad form!

BigDragon · 10-02-2006 11:16am

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5starpool wrote:

Burn him!!!!!!!

Culchie · 10-02-2006 11:36am

Is this a youngish guy, like chewing gum, a little Dell Boy Jr?

ianmc38 · 10-02-2006 11:43am

Culchie wrote:

Is this a youngish guy, like chewing gum, a little Dell Boy Jr?

No an old guy wearing a gold ring on every finger and gold bracelets.

Corben Dallas · 10-02-2006 11:47am

Dont think theres any rules on this, Its jsut being a Class A ****tard. Anyone who does this should be sent to Poker Hell.

.....to suffer bad beats for eternity.

Culchie · 10-02-2006 11:50am

ianmc38 wrote:

No an old guy wearing a gold ring on every finger and gold bracelets.

Did he play King rag alot, have a moustache?

ianmc38 · 10-02-2006 11:51am

Culchie wrote:

Did he play King rag alot, have a moustache?

Yes he was a rag merchant. Literally raised every hand preflop with any 2 and called any size raises to the river if he had any piece of the flop or in this case, with 2 overcards and a gutshot.

fuzzbox · 10-02-2006 11:55am

Its just plain bad etiquette.

fuzzbox · 10-02-2006 11:57am

ianmc38 wrote:

Yes he was a rag merchant. Literally raised every hand preflop with any 2 and called any size raises to the river if he had any piece of the flop or in this case, with 2 overcards and a gutshot.

I guess the game was GOOD then.,

ianmc38 · 10-02-2006 12:07pm

fuzzbox wrote:

I guess the game was GOOD then.,

He was the one person I didnt take money off. Quite alot of w*nkers in the game last night actually come to think of it.

One heavy set guy with a goaty. Scary eyes. Really horrible atmosphere at his table. Mouthing off, being abusive etc. Seen him in the SE a few times.

Another guy who went bezerk because in a pot of €200 in which he had no part, the river was shown and the girl in it that I was HU against showed her cards. Inexplicably I wasn't allowed to bet because of this, so she was left with €50 that i was going to bet straight away. Started mouthing off about watching Bravo too much or something similar and making snide remarks. Egotistical f*ckstick. The dealer apologised to me as he agreed I had every right to bet the river.

fuzzbox · 10-02-2006 12:12pm

ianmc38 wrote:

He was the one person I didnt take money off. Quite alot of w*nkers in the game last night actually come to think of it.

One heavy set guy with a goaty. Scary eyes. Really horrible atmosphere at his table. Mouthing off, being abusive etc. Seen him in the SE a few times.

Another guy who went bezerk because in a pot of €200 in which he had no part, the river was shown and the girl in it that I was HU against showed her cards. Inexplicably I wasn't allowed to bet because of this, so she was left with €50 that i was going to bet straight away. Started mouthing off about watching Bravo too much or something similar and making snide remarks. Egotistical f*ckstick.

Sounds horrible in terms of atmos, but good in terms of muppets.
That is a wrong ruling about not being able to bet the last 50. If thats true, then I start turning my cards over on the river rather than being subjected to a difficult decision !!

Coulda just left and gone to the Fitz.

celticbhoy · 10-02-2006 12:16pm

So lets say you are playing a home/pub tourney with no official dealer and you declare you have three of a kind after the river card is turned and you show your cards.

The guy your in the showdown with has a full house,

Looking again you have a better full house....

Whats the ruling?
Is this just ignorant and bad etiquette?
Do you win the Pot?
Or do you just loose based on you saying you had trips when you should have said you had a house?

I know in casinos the dealer/TD has the final say but I am just curious. I got heat one night ages ago when I showed my cards and called the wrong hand.

fuzzbox · 10-02-2006 12:19pm

celticbhoy wrote:

So lets say you are playing a home/pub tourney with no official dealer and you declare you have three of a kind after the river card is turned and you show your cards.

The guy your in the showdown with has a full house,

Looking again you have a better full house....

Whats the ruling?
Is this just ignorant and bad etiquette?
Do you win the Pot?
Or do you just loose based on you saying you had trips when you should have said you had a house?

I know in casinos the dealer/TD has the final say but I am just curious. I got heat one night ages ago when I showed my cards and called the wrong hand.

The Cards speak. What you say has no effect.

Kinetic^ · 10-02-2006 12:22pm

fuzzbox wrote:

The Cards speak. What you say has no effect.

This is the way my friends and I play, now.

It was getting stupid when people didn't recognise what they had.

ionapaul · 10-02-2006 12:29pm

Culchie wrote:

Did he play King rag alot, have a moustache?

If it is the person I'm thinking of, he was extremely upset in the aftermath of being knocked out of the tourney - he lost a big pot to a guy chasing a draw. Plus one of the other lads at the table (a regular in town) was needling him at every opportunity. So maybe that's a few reasons why he was out of form later?

ntlbell · 10-02-2006 12:30pm

Culchie wrote:

Did he play King rag alot, have a moustache?

I don't think who your thinking of would do something like this, unless the other player had wound him up or done something similar, he's a gentleman at the table imo.

ianmc38 · 10-02-2006 1:00pm

ntlbell wrote:

I don't think who your thinking of would do something like this, unless the other player had wound him up or done something similar, he's a gentleman at the table imo.

The guy I'm talking about is circa 55, wears glasses and smokes Rothmans. Don't think he played the tourney.

ntlbell · 10-02-2006 1:18pm

ianmc38 wrote:

The guy I'm talking about is circa 55, wears glasses and smokes Rothmans. Don't think he played the tourney.

It's not who culchie thought it was so.

kincsem · 10-02-2006 1:45pm

Slowrolling is bad form. He deserved a lecture. You just need someone big enough to deliver it.

smurph · 10-02-2006 2:18pm

kincsem wrote:

Slowrolling is bad form. He deserved a lecture. You just need someone big enough to deliver it.

here here Slowrolling drives me nuts. Thats why i firmly belive that in either a cash game or Tournament all people in pot should be made turn over all cards on the table. Ive seen quite alot of slow rolling over the last while. Ive also seen muppets laughing while taking in the money. You feel like sh*t after losing alot of money in a pot, and you certainly don't need someone rubbing it in.

5starpool · 10-02-2006 2:23pm

smurph wrote:

here her Slowrolling drives me nuts.

Funny how A.N.Other is always a 'he' for fellas writing, and a 'she' for women writing. Yes I know this is a fairly pointless post.

This situation is worse than saying 'oh I had an ace' when cards are flipped over preflop on an all-in. And that is annoying, but usually a newbie mistake. Slowrolling is just evil. I have seen situations where the pot is being pushed in one direction before someone throws over their cards. Blood boiling stuff.

LORDOFDOOM · 10-02-2006 2:55pm

/hands everyone a chill pill.

RoundTower · 10-02-2006 3:54pm

Slowrolling should be encouraged in Chinese poker and in Mythical.

fixer · 10-02-2006 4:02pm

I'll take any advantage I can in this game. If I think a guy can be put on tilt or even just get pissed off and want to play back at me for something I said or did, I'll do it. I love winding people up with "oh god, I'll never fold A-6 again after that flop!" or "sorry but, lot's of your outs are gone, I folded 7Th there"

ArmaniJeanss · 10-02-2006 4:04pm

5starpool wrote:

This situation is worse than saying 'oh I had an ace' when cards are flipped over preflop on an all-in. And that is annoying, but usually a newbie mistake.

Eh, is this considered wrong. If 44 is all-in against KQ pre-flop and I've folded a Q pre-flop then I'd tell the KQ guy that he's 'one out down', and I'd be shocked if that bothered anyone.

ianmc38 · 10-02-2006 4:06pm

fixer wrote:

I'll take any advantage I can in this game. If I think a guy can be put on tilt or even just get pissed off and want to play back at me for something I said or did, I'll do it. I love winding people up with "oh god, I'll never fold A-6 again after that flop!" or "sorry but, lot's of your outs are gone, I folded 7Th there"

are you 55, glasses, tash and gold sovereigns on every finger?

El Stuntman · 10-02-2006 4:09pm

Poor form but the pokah gods will take their revenge...it's all karma baby!

On another note was playing a home game (50 SNG style) recently, didn't know many of the lads, and somebody was dropping appalling farts when we aere down to the final 3.
Put me right off my game and I bluffed off my chip lead and escaped into the sweet, sweet fresh air (OK not so sweet, it was Ringsend after all:) ).
Is flatulence a legitimate poker tactic?

5starpool · 10-02-2006 4:09pm

ArmaniJeanss wrote:

Eh, is this considered wrong. If 44 is all-in against KQ pre-flop and I've folded a Q pre-flop then I'd tell the KQ guy that he's 'one out down', and I'd be shocked if that bothered anyone.

Most people would prefer not to have their illusions shattered by a comment like that. Suddenly you go from a preceived 52-48 underdog to perhaps 62-38 (making figures up but you get the point). It doesn't change what is coming out obviously, but most people prefer not to know, and etiquette dictates that you don't say. A surprisingly large amout of people still say this though.

Hitman Actual · 10-02-2006 4:10pm

fixer wrote:

I'll take any advantage I can in this game. If I think a guy can be put on tilt or even just get pissed off and want to play back at me for something I said or did, I'll do it. I love winding people up with "oh god, I'll never fold A-6 again after that flop!" or "sorry but, lot's of your outs are gone, I folded 7Th there"

You're not saying that you'd slowroll, though (I hope!). Anyway, winding players up can backfire as well, cos they might start playing better, or worse, playing better only against you!

smurph · 10-02-2006 4:26pm

5starpool wrote:

Funny how A.N.Other is always a 'he' for fellas writing, and a 'she' for women writing. Yes I know this is a fairly pointless post.

This situation is worse than saying 'oh I had an ace' when cards are flipped over preflop on an all-in. And that is annoying, but usually a newbie mistake. Slowrolling is just evil. I have seen situations where the pot is being pushed in one direction before someone throws over their cards. Blood boiling stuff.

sorry it was a typo erro, i meant to say here here.

5starpool · 10-02-2006 4:30pm

smurph wrote:

sorry it was a typo erro, i meant to say here here.

Oh. Hear Hear. Typo as well as misspelt. Tut-Tut.

DeVore · 10-02-2006 5:15pm

I'd like to think most people have more class then to slow roll. Practically the first day I played in the Fitz Luke explained ettiquette to me and said "Never slow roll, you've hurt the guy enough by taking the pot, make the kill fast and as painless as possible". To this day I will always quickly declare the nuts or a big hand asap. People who deliberately slowroll have 0 class in my book.

DeV.

Pokerguru · 10-02-2006 6:55pm

I've been slow rolled like that on 3 occasions in the last 2 years. (yes...I'm counting). On all 3 occasions it was by players who I regard as bad poker players. It cost all 3 of them dearly. I gutted 2 of them the same night. The last one took a little longer. It took me 6 months to catch him at my table again. I was about to sit out and get some dinner, when he comes in with a few drinks on him and sits down beside me. I chatted amicably to him for about 2 hours of play. I never mentioned the time he had slow rolled me or gave any hint that he was on my hit list. I flattered him on his 'good' play a few times while I waited for the hand I knew was coming. When it came and I cleaned him out, I just smiled and said "hard luck". He never knew he was on my hit list or what that even meant. He probably didn't even remember the time he slow rolled me. I remembered though, I never forget. I enjoyed my dinner that night.

That's the only way to treat slow rollers, gut the ****ers like the fish they are.:mad:

BrokenArrows · 10-02-2006 8:50pm

fuzzbox wrote:

The Cards speak. What you say has no effect.

I disagree.

I play by if you call a hand thats what you have.
If you call say three of a kind and didnt notice you had a full house and got beaten then you cant say after someone takes the chips, "oh wait i have a full house"

This came up at a game i was playing and the ruling was that if he declared the 3 of a kind then that was his hand.

RoundTower · 10-02-2006 9:06pm

BrokenArrows wrote:

I disagree.

I play by if you call a hand thats what you have.
If you call say three of a kind and didnt notice you had a full house and got beaten then you cant say after someone takes the chips, "oh wait i have a full house"

This came up at a game i was playing and the ruling was that if he declared the 3 of a kind then that was his hand.

That rule is fine as well, but in card clubs, casinos and well organised tournaments in this country, the alternative "cards speak" rule is used. This isn't something that you can "disagree" with.

DeVore · 10-02-2006 9:32pm

On the contrary, he can disagree with it all he likes! The chips will still be awarded to the "speaking cards"

This is one reason why we use casino rules in home games, so that we get used to casino rules and don't have to switch between them.

DeV.

kincsem · 11-02-2006 8:34pm

Many new players do not know the etiquette of the game. It's a bit like golf. You are expected to behave in a way that is honest and considerate.

So if someone does slowroll or commit some other breach of rules or etiquette the other players should comment.

About a year ago in Citywest a player major slowrolled a big hand .... about a minute delay before showing. Xuyen Pham ("Bad Girl") was sitting beside me. She gave him a very stern lecture about his bad behaviour and disrespect shown to the other player. I made no comment but inside I was applauding. I think comments from a known player / respected player have more weight.

Is this just bad etiquette?

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