Cheating? - any law broken?

Guy:Incognito

My cousin rang me yesterday to say he got a code for bluesquare where you get $100 bonus , it's not a signup bonus as such as I think it's open to anyone. Thing is, he opened a coupel of accounts with his brothers and basically "pooled" the money in one account through playing with someone he new because they only had 1 cc between them. Thing is though, they have locked the accounts (along with a good few others that participated in the promotion, but did nothign else other than bet as normal). All the account holders have been asked for copies of id and bills (well the ones who responed to the request to email the help) for security reasons.

Is this standard practice and if not have any laws been broken or just their own rules (havnt a clue about the legalities of "cheating" liek this). He was asking me if he should send them the details and possibly get his account unlocked, or are they trying to get him to fess up to who he is so they can shop him? He's asked my advice, which is why i'm pawnign it off on you guys, cheers.:)

Dub13

This is a simple case of collusion/chip dumping.

Guy:Incognito

Yeah I figured that, but dont want him whinging to me if he gets in trouble:) , he was just worried as to the legalities of it. I assumed it may be rules ratehr than laws which were boken.

Ste05

I've never heard of a "code" like this that gives you free money for doing nothing. However he'd need to check the T&C's of the site and this particular offer. Certainly Chip dumping/ collusion is against 99.99999% of T&C's (unless they were drafted by a complete gob).

I'm not certain exactly what happened though. What do these bits mean?

Stekelly wrote:

basically "pooled" the money in one account through playing with someone he new because they only had 1 cc between them.

I presume you meant that they pooled/ dumped the money into the account that was linked to a Credit Card?

Stekelly wrote:

(along with a good few others that participated in the promotion, but did nothign else other than bet as normal).

And does this mean other people who completed this offer who did not collude also had their accounts frozen?


Anyway, as regards to Breaking the law, this "pooling" is basically stealing, so there might be a case to answer there. Although they already have all his details when he signed up so there can hardly be much more that can happen by sending ID etc.??

Any more info to offer, but I seriously doubt they'll be able to withdraw this money unless they can prove there was no collusion and each account is a valid account, set-up legitimately....

Just my 0.02c, usual disclaimers apply... :rolleyes:

Guy:Incognito

Ste05 wrote:

I presume you meant that they pooled/ dumped the money into the account that was linked to a Credit Card?

Yeah, exactly.

Ste05 wrote:

And does this mean other people who completed this offer who did not collude also had their accounts frozen?

Yeah, seems to be. He doesnt know anyone who is a member and didnt use the promotion, but there is site alot of traffic on bluesqaure so everyones account isnt frozen.

iBoT

what s the bonus code?

DeVore

iBoT wrote:

what s the bonus code?

under no circumstances should anyone answer that. Sorry to be a big bad guy here but just trust me on this.

DeV.

Agent Smith

This Just Answers a Question i was wondering for a while....

iBoT

DeVore wrote:

under no circumstances should anyone answer that. Sorry to be a big bad guy here but just trust me on this.

DeV.

sorry about that i should of thought about what i was typing before i did it:o ,
i understand why no-one should answer it

hotspur

I don't think your "cousin" has much to worry about froma legal point of view, no he won't get shopped. The chip dumping to pool money is not on and it is forbidden for very good reasons because online poker sites have experienced stolen credit cards being used and the way these people get the money out is by dumping it to a confederate account (up Dixie!). I would say that the main reason they want the different Id's is to establish that it isn't just one person with fake brothers with the same credit card. Did they say that the account was being frozen because of suspicious play or because of multiple accounts on the same credit card being opened? If I had any of my own money in the account I would provide them with the id's.

PPP-Pit Boss

Stekelly wrote:

Thing is, he opened a coupel of accounts with his brothers and basically "pooled" the money in one account through playing with someone he new because they only had 1 cc between them. Thing is though, they have locked the accounts
Is this standard practice and if not have any laws been broken or just their own rules (havnt a clue about the legalities of "cheating" liek this). He was asking me if he should send them the details and possibly get his account unlocked, or are they trying to get him to fess up to who he is so they can shop him? He's asked my advice, which is why i'm pawnign it off on you guys, cheers.:)

This is bog standard chip dumping / collusion. However as long as no money was swindled out of other players at the table then the funds are safe and he can proceed to send in ID without fear of legal repercussion. I suggest you tell him to admit the truth the whole truth and nothing else to Blue Sqauare who dependant on the circumstances may reprimand anywhere from warning to full ban from all Tribecca sites. If this is your friends ethos and they wish to carry on I also suggest they never attempt to set up an account and pull this kind of crap with PPP.
For shame!


EDIT: If the bonus amount was aquired illegally then I shouldnt think the colluding accounts would be elligible for the cash. THESE funds may be retracted by BSQ but you will need to check with them.

Samba

Yup, True chip dumping is when you do so from a stolen Card to a Valid card on another account.


Put it this way, if your cousin wanted to give you 50 bucks, both of you join a table and he loses 50 bucks purposely, there is hardly a criminal law being broken here, perhaps only the poker room rules, still not a criminal offence.

As Nikki said, be open and honest, they want ID etc to verify that all the cards match up as their chip dumping alarm bells probably rang.

AlrightJack

I think the issue of whether it is cheating or not is really dependent on how the code was obtained and whether the people who used it were the intended recipients of it. It was an admin code that has never been given out to any players. This code was dishonestly obtained. Whoever did so and then leaked it has done so in bad faith. It is being looked into very seriously by Blue Square.

If the people who used it had obtained this bonus genuinely, why would they dump it to other accounts? They know you have done wrong and I'm astonished that some of them had the stupidity to discuss it on a forum. I'm also staggered that the person/people leaking it thought it would go unoticed.

Jonathan Raab

PPP-Pit Boss

Jack no question on collusion / dumping the author of the post states very clearly that the group transferred funds from account to account in an attempt to secure a bonus payment in a method that is completely contrary to the terms and conditions of the site. Issues of the bonus code in questions whatever that may be is not in question or part of the issue.
In addition it did not go unnoticed if you read the post thoroughly you would see that the accounts have been suspended.

DeVore

AlrightJack wrote:

I think the issue of whether it is cheating or not is really dependent on how the code was obtained and whether the people who used it were the intended recipients of it. It was an admin code that has never been given out to any players. This code was dishonestly obtained. Whoever did so and then leaked it has done so in bad faith. It is being looked into very seriously by Blue Square.

If the people who used it had obtained this bonus genuinely, why would they dump it to other accounts? They know you have done wrong and I'm astonished that some of them had the stupidity to discuss it on a forum. I'm also staggered that the person/people leaking it thought it would go unoticed.

Jonathan Raab

Jonathan Raab is sitting about 6 seats away from me and is very well informed about this incident (we'd a good laugh about the fact that it ended up here, of all places). I dunno about the players involved but I have a feeling the originator of this code isnt going to be a happy camper.

DeV.

Samba

Welcome to boards, JR

Jonny says hello......this looks like an internal affair!

btw, what was the code?