NFL Week 2

The Rooster

Well Kaimera has ruled that we cannot talk about Tyrone v Dublin anymore, so lets move on! Full fixtures below for week 2.

The Dubs make two changes. Cluxton is back available so takes back the number 1 jersey and Declan Lally comes in for the suspended Alan Brogan (although they have said they intend to field an objection, but at this stage it looks like it'll be too late to have any affect on this weekend. Similarly the investigation into the Tyrone game wont be completed "for some time" I]fooking ridikuls - they viewed the video, reviewed the ref's report - what more do they want - make a decision and be done with it[/I so any further Dublin suspensions wont come about till later). The Dublin team is solid enough, but not full of scores.

I know little of Monaghan. They're in the McKenna Cup final, so they must be playing reasonably well, but were beaten by Fermanagh at home at the weekend. Full house of 12,000 expected at Parnell, so hopefully we'll have a good clean game.

Cork v Kerry should be good on Saturday night. Both need the win if they want to make a concerted effort to reach the playoffs. Cork beat them in the Mcgrath Cup final a couple of weeks ago, so Kerry wont want to lose two in a row so quickly, even if they are lesser competitions.

Armagh v Meath will be interesting also, again both teams coming off opening defeats.

Will Cavan have any players back that were missing last week? If not, away to Wicklow wont be easy, and could seriously dent any promotion hopes - although I think there will be a lot of teams beating each other in this division. There wont be two teams walking away with it.

11.02.2006 (Sat)
[All games at 2.30pm unless otherwise stated]

ROINN 2B
Semple Stadium Tiobraid Árann v Iar Mhí

ROINN 1A
Páirc Uí Rinn 7.45 Corcaigh v Ciarraí

12.02.2006 (Sun)
[All games at 2.30pm unless otherwise stated]

ROINN 1A
Castlebar Maigh Eo v Uíbh Fhailí
Enniskillen Fear Manach v Tír Eoghain
Parnell Park Baile Átha Cliath v Muineachán

ROINN 1B
Newbridge Cill Dara v An Dún
Páirc Tailtean An Mhí v Ard Mhacha
Wexford Park 1.30 Loch Garman v Doire
Tuam Stadium Gaillimh v Laois

ROINN 2A
Carrick-on-Shannon Liatroim v An Clár
Dr Cullen Park Ceatharlach v Dún na nGall
Dr Hyde Park Ros Comáin v Londain
Pearse Park Longfort v Luimneach

ROINN 2B
Aughrim Cill Mhantáin v An Cabhán
Clan na Gael (Dundalk) An Lú v Aontroim
Lemybrian Port Láirge v Sligeach

Carb

The Rooster wrote:

I know little of Monaghan. They're in the McKenna Cup final, so they must be playing reasonably well, but were beaten by Fermanagh at home at the weekend. Full house of 12,000 expected at Parnell, so hopefully we'll have a good clean game.[/SIZE]

Been a Monaghan man, was very disappointed with last week. They're developing a habit of letting their supporters down every time there's a game they should win, and playing great in games they shouldn't.

They shouldn't win on Sunday, so the Dubs better watch out:)

Well there's always hope.

stevemac

ROINN 2B
Semple Stadium Tiobraid Árann v Iar Mhí - westmeath easy enough

ROINN 1A
Páirc Uí Rinn 7.45 Corcaigh v Ciarraí - nice game probable, will be tight

ROINN 1A
Castlebar Maigh Eo v Uíbh Fhailí - mayo, but close again
Enniskillen Fear Manach v Tír Eoghain - tyrone
Parnell Park Baile Átha Cliath v Muineachán - dublin

ROINN 1B
Newbridge Cill Dara v An Dún - down burst kildares bubble
Páirc Tailtean An Mhí v Ard Mhacha - armagh
Wexford Park 1.30 Loch Garman v Doire - derry
Tuam Stadium Gaillimh v Laois - laois

ROINN 2A
Carrick-on-Shannon Liatroim v An Clár = leitrim
Dr Cullen Park Ceatharlach v Dún na nGall - donegal
Dr Hyde Park Ros Comáin v Londain - roscommon
Pearse Park Longfort v Luimneach - limerick

ROINN 2B
Aughrim Cill Mhantáin v An Cabhán - cavan
Clan na Gael (Dundalk) An Lú v Aontroim louth
Lemybrian Port Láirge v Sligeach sligo




thats who i think will win the games this week-end.
I think division 1b could be very tight this year. Down , Derry, Armagh all strong. All good teams and all will be hard to beat.

Kildare had a good win at the week-end so possible might be good this year. Anyone at the game last week-end? what was it like? Saw kildare 3 times last year, in league Vrs Laois @newbridge, and the championship against westmeath and laois. And last year anyway if they could get a physical game going they would be in with a good chance of winning. They where big and slow in the main part (doyle and fenin aren't but generally they where) and could win physical games. Newbridge suits them perfect if there still like that this year. Its a small narrow pitch and last year the laois forwards kept running nowhere basically. (hope we're home this year to kidare). But kildare will have a good chance of winning all home games anyway.

Galway seem a bit down at the mo, with injuries and missing players.
Wexford seem favourites for the drop this year, not sure why, but they could be great or poor this year.

Meath , know very little about them, but won't be easy games.

Laois , could be great, hopefully will be, added a bit of size in the forwards with Colm kelly's, higgins playing well at half back.

The Rooster

Just noticed something funny. Apart from the Tyrone-Fermanagh game, the 7 other Ulster teams are all playing away to Leinster teams. This time last year you'd have been expecting Ulster to come out on top in 5 or 6 of them, but I think Leinster might be on the way up again so may come out about even overall.

I think home advantage should swing things Kildare's way. Benny Coulter is doubtful (although strangely Down improved when he went off last week) and John Doyle is flying for Kildare. Meath were supposedly poor against Down, so it'd be hard to be too confident for them against Armagh. Maybe a big crowd in Navan might inspire them.

Wexford v Derry will be very interesting. Too teams I remain to be convinced of. But Wexford are good at home. I wouldnt give Derry much credit for beating a very weakened Galway side. Galway have some players back for this week, including Joyce, but I'd still expect Laois to come away with the points.

Can't see Carlow causing Donegal much problems, but I think Wicklow will give Cavan a run for their money.

FlutterinBantam

Where did the Dubs get that goalie Copeland?


Looks like a real header to me!

Kingp35

The Rooster wrote:

Declan Lally comes in for the suspended Alan Brogan (although they have said they intend to field an objection, but at this stage it looks like it'll be too late to have any affect on this weekend.

Brogan is not suspended and will be allowed to play after the referee confirmed that he was sent off for two yellow cards and not a straight red card so good news for Dublin.

solskjaer20

AS long as Derry win...I don't care.

The Rooster

FlutterinBantam wrote:

Where did the Dubs get that goalie Copeland?


Looks like a real header to me!

Indeed he does. Although not as big a header as Cluxton! Or McConnell for that matter. But most of them are pure mad, so no real surprise

blackbelt

I'd agree with most of Stevemacs predictions.However there are three matches I would put question marks on.I think Galway will have a stronger hunger to succeed after their poor form thus far.A match in Tuam will be a strong advantage for them and I think Laois will have a battle on their hands.I predict Galway.

Another match is the meeting of Carlow and Donegal in Dr Cullen Park.I feel that there might be an upset on the cards here.Donegal were lucky against Leitrim and Carlow have been known to emerge victorious over big teams in Dr Cullen Park.They beat Dublin there once before.

Also Fermanagh vs Tyrone.Although Tyrone are favorites,I think it is highly likely that both teams will share the points in this encounter.Tyrone are weakened with suspensions and the match is in Enniskillen.Tough draw for Tyrone.

I think Cork will beat Kerry.It seems that Kerry havent recovered from the all ireland final defeat in September.Mayo should beat Offaly and Dublin are favorites against Monaghan.Kildare came out with an impressive victory over Armagh but Down are on the up with u21 players coming up to senior level.Kildare are known for their flash in the pan huge victories but I would not count them out all together.

On a side note,Dennis Bastick should not have been sent off last Sunday.There was not much in that tackle and I think its obvious that it was typical Tyrone's desperation diving tactics that led to Bastick being sent off.

solskjaer20

Don't be so hard on Galway lads.......they were up againt the mighty Derry after all.

solskjaer20

ROINN 2B
Semple Stadium Tiobraid Árann v Iar Mhí - Westmeath comfortable.

ROINN 1A
Páirc Uí Rinn 7.45 Corcaigh v Ciarraí - Hmm draw I reckon.

ROINN 1A
Castlebar Maigh Eo v Uíbh Fhailí - Mayo with three or four to spare.
Enniskillen Fear Manach v Tír Eoghain - Tyrone (unfortunately)
Parnell Park Baile Átha Cliath v Muineachán - Dublin.....but after a tight game.

ROINN 1B
Newbridge Cill Dara v An Dún - Down.
Páirc Tailtean An Mhí v Ard Mhacha - Armagh.
Wexford Park 1.30 Loch Garman v Doire - Derry
Tuam Stadium Gaillimh v Laois - Draw I reckon.

ROINN 2A
Carrick-on-Shannon Liatroim v An Clár - Leitrim me thinks.
Dr Cullen Park Ceatharlach v Dún na nGall - Donegal by eight or nine points.
Dr Hyde Park Ros Comáin v Londain - Roscommon handy enough.
Pearse Park Longfort v Luimneach - Limerick.

ROINN 2B
Aughrim Cill Mhantáin v An Cabhán - cavan handy.....ish.
Clan na Gael (Dundalk) An Lú v Aontroim - Antrim.
Lemybrian Port Láirge v Sligeach - Sligo.

stevemac

with galway from last year they where lucky to nearly draw with us last year. there defence was awful (full back line didn't know how to mark in that game) and i think there style of play will suit us perfectly. ie they will try to play football and won't be too aggressive. so i will definately go for laois there. I'd like to see joyce playing full forward on cathal ryan this week-end to see how ryan does. Has being solid so far this year. Started poorly against wexford but came back well and was in control from half way through the 1st half from what i've heard.

Would agree with you about carlow [because they seem to underrated by most] except they have a few injuries, so i think Donegal should beat them this week-end.

KevIRL

Waterford beat Sligo :eek:

Up the Deise!

blackbelt

I went to the Dublin-Monaghan match in Parnell Park and I have to say that the performance Dublin put up was diabolical and sickening.What a waste of 5/10euro.Dublin were muck and looked like they were out drinking the night before.They would not get stuck in or commit to tackles.Its almost as if they are scared to do anything now as a result of last week.The defense was brutal and today I was embarassed to see my team lose like that.When I was talking to people,I informed them that Monaghan won the league playoff lasty year and most people thought i was joking.

Have to give it up to Monaghan fans,they were well behaved and gracious in victory,they did not rub it in.The referee was soft with a lot of decisions but that did not make an iota of difference.

Waterford beat Sligo...thats a turn up for the books.Fermanagh beat Tyrone by a point.My prediction was accurate,however Carlow were annihilated by Donegal and Cork lost out to Kerry who seem to be slowly gaining more confidence and should do well after this victory.I don't see any hope for Dublin against Mayo,Kerry or even Fermanagh after watching todays fiasco.Pillar must have gone mad.

To sum it all up,Dublins worst performance ever where im concerned.

smashey

blackbelt wrote:

Another match is the meeting of Carlow and Donegal in Dr Cullen Park.I feel that there might be an upset on the cards here.Donegal were lucky against Leitrim and Carlow have been known to emerge victorious over big teams in Dr Cullen Park.They beat Dublin there once before.

Care to re-assess your thoughts on Donegal. Carlow 0-8, Donegal 1-21

blackbelt

No I don't really have to re-assess my thoughts on Donegal,the score speaks for itself but I was pointing out that Carlow have been known to beat big teams in Dr Cullen Park and at the time of my prediction,it was less clear cut who'd win.Thats not a personal opinion or reflection of Donegal by myself.

I'm sure many people will re-assess their opinion on Monaghan after today.

Breezer

I couldn't believe what I was seeing in Parnell Park today. To be fair to Monaghan, they played well and were by far the better team on the day but apart from one excellent point I didn't see them do anything particularly fancy, they just played solid football and made us pay for our many mistakes. I think Dublin at their best are far better than that and would have won. But that doesn't matter, they weren't at their best and they didn't.

One Dublin player impressed me, Coman Goggins. Cluxton pulled off a great save but some of his kickouts were diabolical. Cullen and Brogan won some great ball but did very little with it.

There's no point saying we're missing half our team either, it's really only our full back line that's gone. I know that makes a difference but our problem was up front, I gave up counting the wides. Kevin Bonner should be given another few runs I think, he was no worse than the rest of the team today and better than some of them. Derek Murray's been given two chances now though and he hasn't impressed me on either occasion, there's no way he's still gonna be there come the championship so now's the time for Pillar to rethink things a bit. Or a lot.

Again fair play to Monaghan I'd love to see them stay up this year. On a side note, does anyone know what happened to the original ref at half time? We got a new one for the second half, apparently the first one got injured and I'd love to know how...

cournioni

LOL... What happened to Dublin? How did you let those twats beat you?

blackbelt

thats a question you should ask the Dublin team because on the fans perspective,Dublin just layed down for Monaghan.I think the downfall was the amount of frees Monaghan got in front of goal.

You call them twats but Cavan could be asked how they let Louth beat them and nearly get bested by Wicklow.

Breezer

If you think about it Dublin really didn't have to play much football against Tyrone, they kept getting frees and Mossy Quinn kept putting them over. Monaghan obviously saw that because they weren't giving any stupid frees away today.

Still, a long way to go yet, there's hope.

cournioni

Well a combination of not taking our scores (missed one goal and seven points in the last 15 minutes), taking our foot off the gas (letting Louth back into the game) and having 10 regulars out of the team contributed to our downfall last week.

Not sure how Cavan done today but again we have alot of players out injured at the moment.

This is a team full of Cavan players that did not play against Louth...
1.Paul O’Dowd (quality keeper, but still would be no. 2 behind James Reilly)
2.Eamon Reilly (would be in the team ahead of most backs)
3.Darren Rabbitte (Cavan's best full back)
4.Podge Reilly (again would be in the team ahead of most backs)
5.Karl Crotty (decent player)
6.Trevor Crowe (one of the best defenders in Ulster)
7.Peter Reilly (quality player, and very experienced)
8.Paddy Brady (would be playing if fit, quality player)
9.Pierce McKenna (again would be playing if fit, quality)
10.Mark McKeever (one of Cavan's best players when on form)
11.Mickey Lyng (one of the best young players in Ulster)
12.Eddie Reilly (bit of a head the ball but quality forward none the less)
13.John Tierney (one of Cavan's best players when fit)
14.Dermot McCabe (one of the best players in Ireland when fully fit and on form)
15.Gerald Pierson (when fit would rip any defence apart, Cavan's best forward).

And that is not including Larry Reilly and Sean Brady who made substitute appearances because they are only back from injury. Mickey Graham would also be in there but I couldn't find space for him.

Enough of an explanation?

StupidLikeAFox

Excuses excuses, what did it say on the scoreboard tho? :):):)

cournioni

ColHol wrote:

Excuses excuses, what did it say on the scoreboard tho? :):):)

It said Aidan Elliott Construction on one, and the Anglo Celt on the other.

Carb

PORNAPSTER wrote:

LOL... What happened to Dublin? How did you let those twats beat you?

Nothing like a well informed comment.

cournioni

Carb wrote:

Nothing like a well informed comment.

I was asking a question. If you are assuming that I am well informed by calling Monaghan people twats, then you are correct.

The Rooster

Just to echo the other Dubs posters - Dublin were rubbish. Just didnt turn up. Fair play to Monaghan, they were far from brilliant, but they were a lot better than the Dubs, and a 7 point victory was the least they deserved.

cruiserweight

Wexford lost again Apparently Derry were good value for their victory, also there was supposedly a brawl in this game as well but not as high profile as last weeks! Looking like a tough relegation battle this year, they will need to get something from 3 of their remaining 5 games probably!:eek:

Kingp35

Yeah I just want to echo what the rest of the Dubs have said as well that we were shockin on Sunday. Monaghan deserved to win the game. Dublin just never turned up and scored a poor 7 points in the game. After beating Tyrone I was hoping for a decent run but it just hasnt happen. Hopefully Pillar will get them sorted out for the next game.

stevemac

my predictions


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ROINN 2B
Semple Stadium Tiobraid Árann v Iar Mhí - westmeath easy enough -- closer than i thought

ROINN 1A
Páirc Uí Rinn 7.45 Corcaigh v Ciarraí - nice game probable, will be tight - ?? no prediction

ROINN 1A
Castlebar Maigh Eo v Uíbh Fhailí - mayo, but close again - right
Enniskillen Fear Manach v Tír Eoghain - tyrone - wrong
Parnell Park Baile Átha Cliath v Muineachán - dublin - wrong

ROINN 1B
Newbridge Cill Dara v An Dún - down burst kildares bubble - right
Páirc Tailtean An Mhí v Ard Mhacha - armagh - wrong
Wexford Park 1.30 Loch Garman v Doire - derry - right
Tuam Stadium Gaillimh v Laois - laois - wrong

ROINN 2A
Carrick-on-Shannon Liatroim v An Clár = leitrim - right
Dr Cullen Park Ceatharlach v Dún na nGall - donegal - right
Dr Hyde Park Ros Comáin v Londain - roscommon - right
Pearse Park Longfort v Luimneach - limerick - wrong

ROINN 2B
Aughrim Cill Mhantáin v An Cabhán - cavan - right
Clan na Gael (Dundalk) An Lú v Aontroim louth - right
Lemybrian Port Láirge v Sligeach sligo - wrong



so 9 right , 6 wrong.

was really surprised at dublin , sligo and the size of meaths win. who are armagh and tyrone up against next.

blackbelt

So Stevemac got 60% of his predictions right.Im happy with the prediction I made about Fermanagh and Tyrone.I was nearly right but the point was the difference.

Don't be surprised to see Fermanagh and Mayo contest division 1a unless Fermanagh slip up against Kerry or Mayo slip up against Dublin or Tyrone.Also I don't think Mayo-Offaly match was close.Offaly were beaten by 1-5.

Offaly are a team I never liked,their style of football and their fans are the dullest.

Meath,Laois,Galway and Down are all contenders in their league.I think soon Tyrone and Armagh will be dethroned as the kings of Ulster by Fermanagh and Down and possibly Derry as we will see new Ulster champs in the coming years.By the looks of it,Leinster football is strengthening.It should be between Dublin,Laois,Kildare or Meath.I must say I like Meath chances

Lemlin

blackbelt wrote:

So Stevemac got 60% of his predictions right.Im happy with the prediction I made about Fermanagh and Tyrone.I was nearly right but the point was the difference.

Don't be surprised to see Fermanagh and Mayo contest division 1a unless Fermanagh slip up against Kerry or Mayo slip up against Dublin or Tyrone.Also I don't think Mayo-Offaly match was close.Offaly were beaten by 1-5.

Offaly are a team I never liked,their style of football and their fans are the dullest.

Meath,Laois,Galway and Down are all contenders in their league.I think soon Tyrone and Armagh will be dethroned as the kings of Ulster by Fermanagh and Down and possibly Derry as we will see new Ulster champs in the coming years.By the looks of it,Leinster football is strengthening.It should be between Dublin,Laois,Kildare or Meath.I must say I like Meath chances

You're forgetting Cavan to dethrone Tyrone and Armagh We've come closer in recent years than alot of those teams you've mentioned.

Carb

Lemlin wrote:

You're forgetting Cavan to dethrone Tyrone and Armagh We've come closer in recent years than alot of those teams you've mentioned.

Sorry, is this the humour forum?:D

Lemlin

Carb wrote:

Sorry, is this the humour forum?:D

Drew with Tyrone last year and took Armagh to the wire the year before, despite playing with 14 men for the entire game.

cournioni

Lets not forget beating Armagh by 13 points in the league in 2003 too.

Carb

Lemlin wrote:

Drew with Tyrone last year and took Armagh to the wire the year before, despite playing with 14 men for the entire game.

Cavan also drew with Antrim thanks to a last minute score, and got beaten by Tyrone 3-19 to 0-7 in the replay.

cournioni

Your point is?

Carb

PORNAPSTER wrote:

Your point is?

My point is that both you're post and Lemlins post are either completely irrelevant, or Antrim are capable of winning Ulster. Which do you think it is?

blackbelt

People please behave,

My opinion is that Fermanagh and Down are the two Ulster teams to take notice of in the coming years.Down have a good side with u21 all ireland stars coming up to senior level and Fermanagh had a good run in 2004 championship and are doing well thus far in the league.I think that speaks for itself.

Cavan have a lot of work to do in defense if they want to contend Ulster.A defeat to Louth and a scare against Wicklow tells me that the team is shaken up.A victory over Meath in the championship is a good feat of a hard working team.Lets see if Cavan can produce more results in the championship,then we'll know who are capable of dethroning Armagh and Tyrone.I'm starting to wonder about Armagh and Tyrone as they are not winning matches which they are expected to win.I'm more surprised with Armagh.

I think the events and speculation about the Tyrone-Dublin match have affected the two teams.Dublin seemed apprehensive about commiting to tackles and Tyrone are more careful about their diving.

Carb

Blackbelt - How would you rate Monaghan in Ulster and their progress to date. I know its going off topic, but I would be interested in getting an unbiased viewpoint from somebody.

In terms of what you said, a lot of people seem to be watching Down at the moment, they certainly do seem to be on the up. Fermanagh, I wouldn't be so sure about. Three weeks ago, nobody rated them, so I don't see how a win against a Monaghan team that were highly fancied but forgot to turn up, and a Tyrone team who seem to be going through a dodgy patch would dramatically change that perception. I don't think they're as good as a couple of years ago. In fact, Monaghan's current management has only lost five games and three of these were to Fermanagh. They seem to be our bogey team.

Lemlin

I'd see myself as unbiased and I'd rate the top five teams in Ulster as Tyrone, Armagh, Derry, Monaghan and Cavan. Down are on the up and are definitely challenging to get into that five but that's mostly down to their young players who have alot to prove. Fermanagh have showed little apart from their flash-in-the-pan season.

I got into trouble on here before (especially with Pornapster) but I do think that Monaghan are a better team than Cavan.

Carb, you're neglecting the fact that Cavan beat good teams like Donegal and Meath last year (maybe two spent forces but still very good teams) and were one of the last 12 teams in the Championship. Drawing with Tyrone, even if hammered in the replay, is an achievement in itself.

The season before they beat Donegal, ran Armagh close and then eventually lost to Derry because they were missing vital midfield players. And even that was only after extra time.

Carb

Lemlin wrote:

Carb, you're neglecting the fact that Cavan beat good teams like Donegal and Meath last year (maybe two spent forces but still very good teams) and were one of the last 12 teams in the Championship. Drawing with Tyrone, even if hammered in the replay, is an achievement in itself.

Thats the point I was trying to make. The original posts talked about running Tyrone & Armagh close, but never mentioned the bad games. The fact is that when it comes to the championship, there are probably 10/12 teams that could lift their game on any one day and beat Tyrone or Armagh, assuming Armagh/Tyrone are having a bad day.

In my opinion, the league is a much better indicator on the progress the teams outside the the top 3/4 are making, as you have to do it consistently. And if that is the case, beating Armagh by 13 points in 2003 is irrelevant compared to losing to Louth last week, irrespective of injuries.

cournioni

So Cavan playing in the Division 1 league final in 2002 was seen as progress was it? I'm sorry but I disagree with you. I rate teams on their championship form. At the end of the day that is all that matters. Playing in Division 1 is a bonus because you are playing the best teams in Ireland, but it still doesn't mean that a team has progressed.

In the last two years Cavan have beaten Down, Antrim, Donegal, and Meath. We had drawn with Derry, Down, Antrim and Tyrone also. And eventually losing to Derry, Tyrone, Armagh and Mayo.

We made it to the last twelve teams in the All Ireland last year, matching and beating some of the best teams in Ireland along the way. I would rate us as the 11th best team in Ireland at the moment on this form, with Monaghan behind us in 12th.

blackbelt

When Carb asked for an unbiased opinion,I think he meant somebody outside of Ulster.

I would rank Monaghan 5th in Ulster.I really can't place Monaghan or Cavan over one another because Monaghan are making Cavan look like a junior side when it comes to the league and Cavan put Monaghan to shame when it comes to championship progress.

We won't know unless these two teams meet in the Ulster championship or the qualifiers.Based on what I have seen from the league anyway,Monaghan look the stronger side by far so maybe Monaghan would be the stronger side.Monaghan were just beaten by Fermanagh and they beat Dublin in Parnell Park.Cavan lost against Louth and just scraped past Wicklow.Louth and Wicklow would have to be the 2nd and 3rd worst county in Leinster for football (with Kilkenny being officially the worst).So these results may be worrying for Cavan whether or not they are hit with injuries.

I think however it will be sometime before we see Monaghan do very well in the championship.Armagh and Tyrone will undoubtedly contest it again this year with Derry,Down and Fermanagh and possibly Donegal/Cavan getting through the qualifiers.I think it is at that stage that Fermanagh are most effective as well as Derry.I predict that Derry,Fermanagh,Cavan or Donegal will be in the last 16 with teams like Dublin,Laois,Meath,Kerry,Cork,Limerick,Tyrone,Armagh,Mayo,Galway and Sligo

Carb

PORNAPSTER wrote:

So Cavan playing in the Division 1 league final in 2002 was seen as progress was it? I'm sorry but I disagree with you. I rate teams on their championship form. At the end of the day that is all that matters. Playing in Division 1 is a bonus because you are playing the best teams in Ireland, but it still doesn't mean that a team has progressed.

In the last two years Cavan have beaten Down, Antrim, Donegal, and Meath. We had drawn with Derry, Down, Antrim and Tyrone also. And eventually losing to Derry, Tyrone, Armagh and Mayo.

We made it to the last twelve teams in the All Ireland last year, matching and beating some of the best teams in Ireland along the way. I would rate us as the 11th best team in Ireland at the moment on this form, with Monaghan behind us in 12th.

I stopped having any interest in your posts somewhere around the "twat" comment so I couldn't particularly care what way you decide you're going to rate teams. Obviously after you're start to the league, you would use the championship as a way for rating teams.

Carb

blackbelt wrote:

I would rank Monaghan 5th in Ulster.I really can't place Monaghan or Cavan over one another because Monaghan are making Cavan look like a junior side when it comes to the league and Cavan put Monaghan to shame when it comes to championship progress..................................I think however it will be sometime before we see Monaghan do very well in the championship.Armagh and Tyrone will undoubtedly contest it again this year with Derry,Down and Fermanagh and possibly Donegal/Cavan getting through the qualifiers.I think it is at that stage that Fermanagh are most effective as well as Derry.I predict that Derry,Fermanagh,Cavan or Donegal will be in the last 16 with teams like Dublin,Laois,Meath,Kerry,Cork,Limerick,Tyrone,Armagh,Mayo,Galway and Sligo

I think you'll find Monaghan's progress in the champioship last year was talked highly off. Plus if Monaghan is making progress, which you've admitted, I don't see why they could make it to the last 12 last year but can't make it to the last 16 this year.

kaimera

Locked.
You know what users to thank for the crap comments.

From now on, keep it ON TOPIC in future or bans will start.

Only week2 of the NFL and already 2 threads locked.

God help you when the championship starts...

Pornapster post deleted > unnecessary and trolling.