S.American TV

watty

Won't work on a Sky Digibox,
but spotted by MYOB
12564 V SR 6111 @28.5E

Three S.American channels.

Sin e an Fear

Which South American channels were they?

watty

Venevisión Continental, TV Chile, Red Panamericana

boardy

Hey Watty: I see that they are on Eurobird so will a scan on a FTA lidl box pick them up (if I am pointed at 28.8 Astra 2)?

watty

Yes, it is only the deliberately limited Sky boxes that can't.
You may need to manually add the transponder if it is not on list, as it was not on my up to date list on my Palcom DSL4, this is nearly certain.

boardy

watty wrote:

Yes, it is only the deliberately limited Sky boxes that can't.
You may need to manually add the transponder if it is not on list, as it was not on my up to date list on my Palcom DSL4, this is nearly certain.

I am not getting a signal with this transponder on my Lidl receiver. It's not the easiest thing to do on a Lidl box (i.e. add a new transponder). You have to edit an existing one. It doesn't even mention it in the manual. I reviewed some of your previous posts on the issue and ended up on the site that discusses this receiver, but no joy there either.

Any other Lidl boys getting these channels?

L1011

Yes, but the SL65, which you don't need to add a transponder on, thats what the Manual Tune option is for.

MenloPete

Yes, I'm receiving them on my SL65. Had to do manual tuning. The thing to remember is to change the SR to 06111. There is a fourth channel there - Columbian something or other - which does not come in well. It's mainly black and white with coloured bands through the picture.
They're good for polishing up the old Spanish though!

watty

Might be NTSC?

L1011

No, its actually PAL but it appears to have been converted from NTSC very, very badly. My TV does NTSC, so it wouldn't be an issue, but it is.

watty

It is definately a messed up Conversion but it might be from PAL M (Brazil 60Hz PAL). Looks Slightly SECAMish, but none of the the extremely varied options I have decode the colour correctly. SECAM doesn't work.

Whatever it was, the colour has been messed up. I think my system/TV will even do 50Hz NTSC 3.57 and 50Hz NTSC 4.43.

Its definately 50 Hz now.

I'm not sure what PAL N is (its 50Hz) but that doesn't work either.

The most likely source is 60Hz NTSC.

boardy

Thanks for the help lads.
I'll try to manual tune it again.

........ but it may be a few days, because in the failed efforts yesterday to get the South American channels I ended up with Playboy 1, and will need to get acquainted with it!

lawhec

PAL-M is 525 lines using PAL instead of NTSC (as in NTSC-M that almost all NTSC systems are). Brazil is the most noticable user, colour subcarrier is the same as that of NTSC-M.

PAL-N is similar to PAL-M except that it uses 625 lines like the European standard. Argentina and a couple of other countries use it.

Both PAL-M and PAL-N I believe are 60Hz systems, but I prepare to stand corrected. The both also use 6MHz wide channels in terrestial analogue transmission.

watty

No only PAL M is 60Hz, I know that. I didn't know what kind of PAL 50HZ PAL N was so I looked it up

SYSTEM 		PAL N		PAL M		NTSC
Line/Field	625/50 		525/60		525/60
Hor. Freq.	15.625 kHz 	15.750 kHz	15.734
Vert. Freq.	50 Hz		60 Hz		60
Color Sub Car.	3.582056 MHz 	3.575611 MHz	3.579545
Video Bandwidth 4.2 MHz 	4.2 MHz		4.2MhZ
Sound Carrier 	4.5 MHz 	4.5 MHz		4.5MHz

All other PAL: I, D/K, B/G, B/H
Line/Field	625/50
Hor. Freq.	15.625 kHz 	
Vert. Freq.	50 Hz		
Color Sub Car. 	4.433618 MHz 	
Video Bandwidth 5.0 MHz 	
Sound Carrier 	Various 5.5MHz mostly.
(PAL I: UK, ROI, SA etc 6.0MHZ)	

Pal N
Argentina, Uruguay, Paraguay

Possibly only Brazil uses PAL M

NTSC Countries

Antigua  	El Salvador  	Philippines
Bahamas 	Ecuador 	Puerto Rico
Barbados 	Guam 		Saipan
Barbuda 	Guatemala 	Samoa
Belize 		Haiti 		South Korea
Bermuda 	Honduras 	Saint Kitts
Bolivia 	Jamaica 	Saint Lucia
Burma 		Japan 		Saint Vincent
Cambodia 	Mexico 		Surinam
Canada 		Midway Islands 	Taiwan
Cayman Islands 	Ned. Antilles 	Tobago
Chile 		Nicaragua 	Trinidad
Colombia 	N. Mariana Is.	United States
Costa Rica 	Panama 		Venezuela
Cuba 		Peru 		Virgin Islands

Colombia is NTSC, so it is maybe even NTSC simply encoded as if it was PAL 50, as it is definately 50Hz.

watty

The S. American channels gone this afternoon.

Ulsterman 1690

There is (was ?) a transponder called Olisat on hotbird (13 deg East) which carried TV from various South and Central American countries including Cuba

12.265 V (27500 3/4) is the frequency

I havent been able to recieve it for a while though as my dish alignment is a bit wonky (some of these weekends.........)

watty

I think some of those went Pay TV for a while. Cuba was still there last time I looked in November.

L1011

Moved to 12629V 6111 3/4

Antenna

I was getting these fine some days ago, but checked again last night, and nothing - apart from an occasional broken picture on these channels, looks like the transponder is on low power (strength was 30% approx on a Lidl Comag)

watty

The channels are perfect here on my 80cm dish.

They have fixed to colour conversion on TV Colombia. Only "Red Panamerica" is in NTSC now. The others are properly converted to PAL now.