What would you do ?

NeVeR

I was in the fitz a while back playing 1/2 PLHE and this hand happened.

I've just been moved to the table so no reads.

I'm delt QQ in about 5th position (full table)

UTG raises the pot which is only to 7. 2 or 3 callers cant remember,
I reraise the pot again. about 50 more, then the 1st raiser raises it again with an extra E100.

Would you call here with your Q's ?

well i did and the flop came 2 5 J rainbow

Raiser raises all in about E130 sitting with your Q's now what would you do.

theres about there about 450 in the pot if you call about 600 then

what would you do?

ianmc38

Well if you dont call on the flop, then you're only calling for set value with your queens prelfop. Therefore, for me it's a call.

NeVeR

but would you have called the re-reraise or E100 with the Q's

Norwich Fan Rob

u either give him credit for KK or AA and fold pre flop, or u dont and take it to the felt. (if u think u are behind pre flop u cant call the re raise to hope to hit a set based on his stack size).
I really dont think u can call 150 raise pre flop, then fold to 130 all in post flop on a J high board.

Norwich Fan Rob

as regards calling his reraise pre flop, depends purely on my read on him.
does he overplay middle to lowish pairs, is he capable of playing AK, 88, 99 like that, is he poor, good, how did he react when u called his raise, any other tells u picked up. has he been in many hands, has he shown down good hands in general when he has raised pre flop, has he a tendency to trap check, does he ever limp in with big pairs.........

NeVeR

Norwich Fan Rob wrote:

as regards calling his reraise pre flop, depends purely on my read on him.
does he overplay middle to lowish pairs, is he capable of playing AK, 88, 99 like that, is he poor, good, how did he react when u called his raise, any other tells u picked up. has he been in many hands, has he shown down good hands in general when he has raised pre flop, has he a tendency to trap check, does he ever limp in with big pairs.........

I only moved to the table.

5starpool

Normally I wouldn't have called the extra hundred here, you raised a raiser and got told that he is willing to go all the way with this hand by his bet. It all depends on the type of player he is as to whether he could be overplaying 10,10 (v unlikely surely) or AK. With AK here he is likely to figure he could well have outs if his all-in on the flop was called since you didnt reraise him again preflop again indicating AA. If he has AA/KK or even the other QQ he would push here all the time with only 130 back. You have to rule out AQ/AJ unless he is a muppet. JJ is also unlikely given the preflop action, but this is also a holding that has you in real trouble.

Despite saying that I wouldn't have been in this position since I wouldn't have called for the extra ton pf, it is hard to see how you are ahead here, bar the predetermined push all-in with AK by utg. By my reasoning there is not enough chance you are ahead to call. I know there is the 'what did you hope to hit' argument, which I would usually invoke, but if you were to play preflop then imo a call was the weak play. You should have pushed. If confident enough to play for 150ish preflop then you should have been prepared to play for 280. If up against AK then he may not have played, if against AA or KK then on a flop like you got, you were going to be in trouble anyhow.

I would say he had KK as his most likely holding.

NeVeR

well i did call , and he had AK. he didnt catch anything and i won, But i just wanted to see what others would have done.

fuzzbox

NeVeR wrote:

I was in the fitz a while back playing 1/2 PLHE and this hand happened.

I've just been moved to the table so no reads.

I'm delt QQ in about 5th position (full table)

UTG raises the pot which is only to 7. 2 or 3 callers cant remember,
I reraise the pot again. about 50 more, then the 1st raiser raises it again with an extra E100.

Would you call here with your Q's ?

well i did and the flop came 2 5 J rainbow

Raiser raises all in about E130 sitting with your Q's now what would you do.

theres about there about 450 in the pot if you call about 600 then

what would you do?

This depends entirely on who your opponent is. And I make my decision preflop. If I am going to the felt on a J-high board then I call preflop and get it in on the flop.
If I am not, then I pass preflop.

However - this is entirely an opponent specific decision.

Recently whilst playing in one of the card rooms in Dublin, I perchanced to play a spate of 1/2 PL holdem. I hadnt played a hand for about 1hr due to not even receiving an offsuit connector (let alone a suited one). I finally received AJo, and proceded to raise limpers from a semi-late position. I received a caller behind me, and then one of the blinds, thumped E100 into the pot with great gusto, declaring ALL-IN. I was sure, that he was convinced, that he had, indeed, got the nuts. He was politely informed, that he could not actually bet such a large amount, as 50 was the max that the pot would take. I thought for all of 3 nano-seconds, and passed my hand when the action returned to me. The player behind me, however, called. The flop came 678 twotone, and the "nuts holder" proceeded to fire his remaining chips into the pot (still retaining the nuts, you understand). And the other opponent quickly called the 50).

I must say, that I was more than a little surprised to see, at the end of the hand, that the villain in the blinds, held AcJc, and I was even more surprised to see that the villain behind me held AsJs.

Some players think AJ is the nuts. These are the ones that you play for your stack with QQ with.
Some players, think nothing of the sort, and when they 3-bet you preflop, they have AA/KK ... maybe AK. These, you fold the 100 3-bet.

fixer

5starpool wrote:

I would say he had KK as his most likely holding.

Do you play in the cash games in Dublin? I'd say you've been reading too many books that say "re-raising==AA or KK".

AmarilloFats

fuzzbox wrote:

Recently whilst playing in one of the card rooms in Dublin, I perchanced to play a spate of 1/2 PL holdem.

LOL... perhaps a snifter of porter was has as a bellhop shined your shoes Dr. Bill!!

fuzzbox

AmarilloFats wrote:

LOL... perhaps a snifter of porter was has as a bellhop shined your shoes Dr. Bill!!

It was a most honorific time, filled with both excitement and not a little trepidation.

5starpool

fixer wrote:

Do you play in the cash games in Dublin? I'd say you've been reading too many books that say "re-raising==AA or KK".

I play regularly in the fitz i.e. about 5 nights per week. Sit at the round of each/Omaha only and you will find me. Please do.

If you are willing to call 150 preflop and 130 postflop every time with QQ with no info about the raiser as in this case then I look forward to seeing you.

Personally when I have no info about aggressors, I tend to give the benefit of the doubt until I get a picture.

Tar.Aldarion

NeVeR wrote:

I was in the fitz a while back playing 1/2 PLHE and this hand happened.

I've just been moved to the table so no reads.

I'm delt QQ in about 5th position (full table)

UTG raises the pot which is only to 7. 2 or 3 callers cant remember,
I reraise the pot again. about 50 more, then the 1st raiser raises it again with an extra E100.

Would you call here with your Q's ?

well i did and the flop came 2 5 J rainbow

Raiser raises all in about E130 sitting with your Q's now what would you do.

theres about there about 450 in the pot if you call about 600 then

what would you do?

call for me, well depending on who the player is and what they have been like.
You said you just came so you didn't know, It would depend on my finances and his, also on my immediate read of what kind of guy he is.

biteme

Don't really like the way you played the hand at all. The extra ton from utg usually means aa/kk and maybe qq in those games. All depends who your playing with of course. But I really don't like the call of the extra ton if you are thinking of throwing it away on a board that comes J high.

RoundTower

Against an unknown player in the Fitz hold'em only, get it all in every time.

cardshark202

RoundTower wrote:

Against an unknown player in the Fitz hold'em only, get it all in every time.

Agreed, the same goes for about half the players in the round of each game I'd say.