Bubble Woes

DeadParrot

In the last 3 days I've been in a few MTT's all on PPP and in every one I was out on the bubble or in the low ends
$10 4 tables
$6 No limit
$2 no Limit (though to be fair that was me own fault for entering)
and then the pain in the hole was the $3 rebuy WSOP sat. last night
out on the bubble after having the chip lead fairly late in the game
the hand that ruined me?
AK suited....raised to 32K and got a caller and another going 12K allin
flop 10s9d7c villiain put me all in for 30K and I folded!!
He had pocket queens turn King of Diamonds and river X
needless to say he won the hand and I was out 3 orbits later when
My K9os was all in against K9hearts and the flush came out on the river...

Me thing is early-mid-semi late Im large and in charge...final table I just seem to wilt.
Any suggestions?

DeadParrot

none?

fuzzbox

Yes.

Clearly, you should both play better, and get less unlucky.

DeadParrot

Why thank you kind sir
I shall endevour to take your sage like wisdom to heart

Personally, I think im bottling it

brianmc

DeadParrot wrote:

Why thank you kind sir
I shall endevour to take your sage like wisdom to heart

Personally, I think im bottling it

For the sake of some (perhaps) useful input.

Building a stack and going into the second last or last table is not unfamiliar to me.

Personally I've found that it helps if I can sit back and do a bit of folding for a while if I've just realised that we're reaching the business stages of the tournament and I have a stack.

For me the problem has been trying to force myself into dominance of the table just because I have the chips. The problem is, that if I'm forcing myself into it, then I'm not getting cards. When I'm not getting cards other people are. Hence, I lose chips.

By sitting back out of the action for a while you only get sucked back in when you start getting cards again. It allows you to more naturally find your groove at the table.

Just a thought.

RoundTower

DeadParrot wrote:

$2 no Limit (though to be fair that was me own fault for entering)

You clearly know what you're doing wrong, so why ask? Play more tournaments, or less.

mewso

Consistently bubbling is a good sign not a bad sign. If it happens for the rest of your life take it up with God.

brianmc

musician wrote:

Consistently bubbling is a good sign not a bad sign. If it happens for the rest of your life take it up with God.

lol.

fuzzbox

DeadParrot wrote:

Why thank you kind sir
I shall endevour to take your sage like wisdom to heart

Personally, I think im bottling it

Its completely impossible for me to give you any advice at all, as I have no idea of what you are doing in the first place, let alone what you might be doing wrong.

A wise man once said .... dont try to bully the short stacks ... for they are desperate, and willing to gamble. Rather attack the average stacks, for the often give up without a fight.

Culchie

fuzzbox wrote:

A wise man once said .... dont try to bully the short stacks ... for they are desperate, and willing to gamble. Rather attack the average stacks, for the often give up without a fight.

Good Advice.

DeadParrot

fuzzbox wrote:

A wise man once said .... dont try to bully the short stacks ... for they are desperate, and willing to gamble. Rather attack the average stacks, for the often give up without a fight.

That IS sagelike
makes sense

kincsem

Bubbling means you are playing better that 90% of the field. You could check out the stack size of the other players and use a bit of strategy. Let other players do battle. You sit back and watch. Are you going all-in with substandard cards in a do or die effort to make the money?

In the Fitz when we are down to two tables and getting close to the final table I often get up and walk over to the other table to see the stack sizes. If there is a tiny stack on the other table I'll shut up shop for a few hands and see if he/she busts out.

RoundTower

kincsem wrote:

Bubbling means you are playing better that 90% of the field.

This is not true at all. Many of the players who went out early on in the tournament played better than you, and got the same result by putting in less work. But it is important to see how players on the other table are getting on, too.

kincsem wrote:

In the Fitz when we are down to two tables and getting close to the final table I often get up and walk over to the other table to see the stack sizes. If there is a tiny stack on the other table I'll raise Sean's blind every chance I get

Gholimoli

DeadParrot wrote:

In the last 3 days I've been in a few MTT's all on PPP and in every one I was out on the bubble or in the low ends
$10 4 tables
$6 No limit
$2 no Limit (though to be fair that was me own fault for entering)
and then the pain in the hole was the $3 rebuy WSOP sat. last night
out on the bubble after having the chip lead fairly late in the game
the hand that ruined me?
AK suited....raised to 32K and got a caller and another going 12K allin
flop 10s9d7c villiain put me all in for 30K and I folded!!
He had pocket queens turn King of Diamonds and river X
needless to say he won the hand and I was out 3 orbits later when
My K9os was all in against K9hearts and the flush came out on the river...

Me thing is early-mid-semi late Im large and in charge...final table I just seem to wilt.
Any suggestions?

when your posting hands give as much information about the situation as possible.
ie blind levels
relevent stack sizes
how many people left
if you have any particular reads on the villian.
you say you raised to 32K with AK.i cant understand anything from that.
how much did you have?why did you raise to 32K?why did you fold to another 30K bet when the pot is that big?
with that informaion you cant really get any analysis .
any how next time just go all with your AK.

Gholimoli

brianmc wrote:

For the sake of some (perhaps) useful input.

Building a stack and going into the second last or last table is not unfamiliar to me.

Personally I've found that it helps if I can sit back and do a bit of folding for a while if I've just realised that we're reaching the business stages of the tournament and I have a stack.

For me the problem has been trying to force myself into dominance of the table just because I have the chips. The problem is, that if I'm forcing myself into it, then I'm not getting cards. When I'm not getting cards other people are. Hence, I lose chips.

By sitting back out of the action for a while you only get sucked back in when you start getting cards again. It allows you to more naturally find your groove at the table.

Just a thought.

that use to be my problem as well ,blind aggression near the end cuz i had the chips.
what ended up happening to me was going out quickly.
the answer is ofcourse....
stealing.
dont look for confrontations,just steal ,steal steal,then steal some more.
your big stack looks more scary than you think to others .this also means that if they decide to take you on they have a very good hand and its no use trying to move them off their hand by bluffing.
did i mention steal:D

kincsem

RoundTower wrote:

This is not true at all. Many of the players who went out early on in the tournament played better than you, and got the same result by putting in less work. But it is important to see how players on the other table are getting on, too.

You've got me confused, but ok, I call.