Did I buck this up ?

JoeyJJ

Game last night, 9 sitting in, 1 had 3500 in chips an other bloke had about 2800, rest of them had about 1500. I'm in Big blind. 50/100, Its raised to 200 and I call with J10s. Villian in this case had a poker of Aces earlier, seemed to be a good player.

Flop 4,4,10
Checked around to Villian he bets 200 I call someone else calls.

Turn, 4
Villans bets 200, I call other person folds.

River 10
Villian Bets 500, I raise to a 1000.
Villian calls and turns over a 4.

Should I have flat called the 500 ? Maybe preflop raise may have won it but dodgy enough with J10.

Went on a bit of tilt after that, mental table, first couple of hands there was a guy beat with straight to the Ace villian from above had pocket A's and filled the poker, I had a house in the next hand.

fuzzbox

If he is good, fold to the turn bet.
In fact, if he is good, fold to the flop bet.

Its probably better for you to lead out on that flop, rather than check/call.

If you lead for 300/400 and get action from a good player, then you are most likely beat and you can check/fold.

Did you check/raise the river? How did he not set you all-in?

JoeyJJ

No the action was on him, he bet 500, I raised to 1000, he said he was afraid I had pocket 10's thats why he didn't reraise. He would have had to go all in I had him covered.

Ya, I probably should have folded to the Turn at worst, I put him on a pair 6's - 9's after the flop thought I had the highest two pair, then the highest house and when the 10 came, I though he was betting the board or slightly higher with 66-99.

Ollieboy

If you felt he was a good player and not playing muck cards, than you should have fold preflop and not got yourself into this trouble.

But he was playing muck cards and you never mention what the other card was. I cant believe he thought you had the pocket 10's that was a very weak play for him, so I cant understand how you thought he was a good player. You were lucky to get away from this hand, it could have cost you all your chips.

If you had raised on the flop and he had called, you might have been able to find out where you were in the hand, ie if he called, you could get away from it, putting him on a overpair. The 10 on the river, was the ideal card for him and the worst card for you, because it makes you commit to the hand.

With a house full of 10's, you would always raise if not put him all in, the only reason you would bet 500 if it was the max amount you could get from him. i.e. an extraction bet.

In general, both of who's played the hand very badly.

ianmc38

No raise on the river by him? LoL!

califano

Was this the boyne valley?

JoeyJJ

He had an Ace... Thanks for the advice, maybe I did give him too much credit, I think he was a tight player more than a good one...

He played the extraction bet and I didn't see it and I raised it.

careca

JoeyJJ wrote:

He had an Ace... Thanks for the advice, maybe I did give him too much credit, I think he was a tight player more than a good one...

you gave him way too much credit if he didn't reraise on the river, because he was afraid of pocket 10s.

Gholimoli

what made you think he was a good player?is it becuase he had poker Aces before?
he sounds like a stupid player to me.makes poker 4's and then says "oh i was a affraid you had pocket tens" .
anyway,lead the flop and drop to a reraise.
you cant obviously put any one on a 4 but when your playing JT you want to hit the flop better than that in order to stay longer specially when the pot has been raised preflop.

Lex

JoeyJJ wrote:

Villian in this case had a poker of Aces earlier, seemed to be a good player.

This is kind of irrelevant i.e. doesnt have anything to do with how good a player he is.

The min raise on the river is pointless because it looks like he definately isnt on an over-pair to your tens for a better house so at best the only thing you can hope your getting called with is the case T for a split pot.

Waylander

Ollieboy wrote:

If you felt he was a good player and not playing muck cards, than you should have fold preflop and not got yourself into this trouble.

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I do not think you can fault him for not folding to a min raise preflop when he was big blind, in fact I think he had to call. Joey I think you got pretty lucky here, you should have been cleaned out by that guy. I cant believe he was afraid of pocket tens. If I were you Joey I would have pushed all in when I filled the house. I do not think you did much wrong in this hand.