Simple Question (I think)

Rnger

I want to ask this because I am having doubts about my basics.

Call or not? No info on any of the players

[Jan 31 23:04:13] : Hand Start.
[Jan 31 23:04:13] : Seat 1 : johnnyL has $2,090
[Jan 31 23:04:13] : Seat 2 : queenjoker has $2,270
[Jan 31 23:04:13] : Seat 3 : pokeyJ7 has $1,820
[Jan 31 23:04:13] : Seat 4 : MrMular has $3,190
[Jan 31 23:04:13] : Seat 5 : _storm has $2,970
[Jan 31 23:04:13] : Seat 6 : hitmachine has $3,490
[Jan 31 23:04:13] : Seat 7 : conorjoseph has $6,540
[Jan 31 23:04:13] : Seat 8 : youngers has $1,790
[Jan 31 23:04:13] : Seat 9 : DrStench has $1,840
[Jan 31 23:04:13] : youngers is the dealer.
[Jan 31 23:04:13] : DrStench posted small blind.
[Jan 31 23:04:13] : johnnyL posted big blind.
[Jan 31 23:04:13] : Game [17] started with 9 players.
[Jan 31 23:04:13] : Dealing Hole Cards.
[Jan 31 23:04:13] : Seat 9 : DrStench has Td 9h
[Jan 31 23:04:17] : queenjoker folded.
[Jan 31 23:03:56] : pokeyJ7 folded.
[Jan 31 23:04:01] : Stakes: 30/60 Current level: 2 Level up in: 11 min. Break in: 36 min. Players : 200
[Jan 31 23:04:02] : MrMular called 60
[Jan 31 23:04:05] : _storm called 60 and raised 120
[Jan 31 23:04:09] : hitmachine folded.
[Jan 31 23:04:12] : conorjoseph folded.
[Jan 31 23:04:17] : youngers folded.
[Jan 31 23:04:18] : Stakes: 30/60 Current level: 2 Level up in: 10 min. Break in: 36 min. Players : 200

Only the BB left to act after me. 150 for me to call (or raise?). I was 50/50 on this which I'll try and explain later why. Should have I been so two-minded?

staringelf

i'd fold it. you're out of position with the BB still to act. you also have a poor hand that, if you hit, can easily be outkicked. its also unsuited. you're really only calling for a straight draw or to hit 2 pair. the original raiser will continue bet post flop in all liklihood and it might get quite expensive to find out where you are. let it go, you've plenty of chips. there's gonna be much better spots than this. its not like you're getting odds to call either, there's only i person in the pot before you. throw it away and pick a better spot to play in.

Ollieboy

Rnger wrote:

I want to ask this because I am having doubts about my basics.

Call or not? No info on any of the players

[Jan 31 23:04:13] : Hand Start.
[Jan 31 23:04:13] : Seat 1 : johnnyL has $2,090
[Jan 31 23:04:13] : Seat 2 : queenjoker has $2,270
[Jan 31 23:04:13] : Seat 3 : pokeyJ7 has $1,820
[Jan 31 23:04:13] : Seat 4 : MrMular has $3,190
[Jan 31 23:04:13] : Seat 5 : _storm has $2,970
[Jan 31 23:04:13] : Seat 6 : hitmachine has $3,490
[Jan 31 23:04:13] : Seat 7 : conorjoseph has $6,540
[Jan 31 23:04:13] : Seat 8 : youngers has $1,790
[Jan 31 23:04:13] : Seat 9 : DrStench has $1,840
[Jan 31 23:04:13] : youngers is the dealer.
[Jan 31 23:04:13] : DrStench posted small blind.
[Jan 31 23:04:13] : johnnyL posted big blind.
[Jan 31 23:04:13] : Game [17] started with 9 players.
[Jan 31 23:04:13] : Dealing Hole Cards.
[Jan 31 23:04:13] : Seat 9 : DrStench has Td 9h
[Jan 31 23:04:17] : queenjoker folded.
[Jan 31 23:03:56] : pokeyJ7 folded.
[Jan 31 23:04:01] : Stakes: 30/60 Current level: 2 Level up in: 11 min. Break in: 36 min. Players : 200
[Jan 31 23:04:02] : MrMular called 60
[Jan 31 23:04:05] : _storm called 60 and raised 120
[Jan 31 23:04:09] : hitmachine folded.
[Jan 31 23:04:12] : conorjoseph folded.
[Jan 31 23:04:17] : youngers folded.
[Jan 31 23:04:18] : Stakes: 30/60 Current level: 2 Level up in: 10 min. Break in: 36 min. Players : 200



Only the BB left to act after me. 150 for me to call (or raise?). I was 50/50 on this which I'll try and explain later why. Should have I been so two-minded?

Sorry, am I misreading this, why would you raise and I cant even see the reason to call unless you plan to make a play on the flop, river turn etc. But in the early stages of a tourney, just throw it away.

Why are you asking this question?

Doc Farrell

All IN!


nah, why raise, u have nothing yet.

i probably wouldnt call coz what ever u hit will most likely cost u at least another 4-500. call if ur itchy but no raise yet baby

Rnger

Just goes to show what kind of frame of mind I'm in. I so almost called preflop and thats why this bothered me.

It seemed to make sense posting this 30 mins ago. I'm defo tilting! Along with this strange need I have to contribute to this forum.

Look at the flop perhaps this could be merged with the bad beat thread... or removed entirely

[Jan 31 23:04:57] : DrStench folded.
[Jan 31 23:04:58] : johnnyL folded.
[Jan 31 23:05:01] : MrMular called 120
[Jan 31 23:05:02] : Dealing flop.
[Jan 31 23:05:02] : Board cards [Tc 9s Th]
[Jan 31 23:05:08] : MrMular checked.
[Jan 31 23:05:11] : Stakes: 30/60 Current level: 2 Level up in: 10 min. Break in: 36 min. Players : 200
[Jan 31 23:05:11] : _storm bet 200
[Jan 31 23:05:23] : MrMular called 200 and raised 400
[Jan 31 23:05:25] : _storm called 400
[Jan 31 23:05:25] : Dealing turn.
[Jan 31 23:05:25] : Board cards [Tc 9s Th 9c]
[Jan 31 23:05:28] : Stakes: 30/60 Current level: 2 Level up in: 10 min. Break in: 35 min. Players : 200
[Jan 31 23:05:31] : MrMular bet 2,410 and is All-in
[Jan 31 23:05:33] : _storm folded.
[Jan 31 23:05:34] : MrMular wins 1,650 as the last player standing
[Jan 31 23:05:37] : Hand is over.
[Jan 31 23:05:37] :
[Jan 31 23:05:37] : Stakes: 30/60 Current level: 2 Level up in: 9 min. Break in: 35 min. Players : 199
[Jan 31 23:05:37] : Current prize pool: $12,000
[Jan 31 23:05:37] : Current prize pool: $12,000

Sorry for wasting your time tbh :v:

Ollieboy

Rnger wrote:

Just goes to show what kind of frame of mind I'm in. I so almost called preflop and thats why this bothered me.

It seemed to make sense posting this 30 mins ago. I'm defo tilting! Along with this strange need I have to contribute to this forum.

Look at the flop perhaps this could be merged with the bad beat thread... or removed entirely

[Jan 31 23:04:57] : DrStench folded.
[Jan 31 23:04:58] : johnnyL folded.
[Jan 31 23:05:01] : MrMular called 120
[Jan 31 23:05:02] : Dealing flop.
[Jan 31 23:05:02] : Board cards [Tc 9s Th]
[Jan 31 23:05:08] : MrMular checked.
[Jan 31 23:05:11] : Stakes: 30/60 Current level: 2 Level up in: 10 min. Break in: 36 min. Players : 200
[Jan 31 23:05:11] : _storm bet 200
[Jan 31 23:05:23] : MrMular called 200 and raised 400
[Jan 31 23:05:25] : _storm called 400
[Jan 31 23:05:25] : Dealing turn.
[Jan 31 23:05:25] : Board cards [Tc 9s Th 9c]
[Jan 31 23:05:28] : Stakes: 30/60 Current level: 2 Level up in: 10 min. Break in: 35 min. Players : 200
[Jan 31 23:05:31] : MrMular bet 2,410 and is All-in
[Jan 31 23:05:33] : _storm folded.
[Jan 31 23:05:34] : MrMular wins 1,650 as the last player standing
[Jan 31 23:05:37] : Hand is over.
[Jan 31 23:05:37] :
[Jan 31 23:05:37] : Stakes: 30/60 Current level: 2 Level up in: 9 min. Break in: 35 min. Players : 199
[Jan 31 23:05:37] : Current prize pool: $12,000
[Jan 31 23:05:37] : Current prize pool: $12,000

Sorry for wasting your time tbh :v:

Its bad enough playing against this crap without having to read it here.

Stop playing bad starting hands preflop, unless your Doyle, Phil or Hansen.

Was playing a live game on Friday, limp in with a pair of 4's and the 3 other players called. I hit trips on flop with high card been a 9 on flop, guy calls my large bets all the way to the river, were he hit a higher house with 9 10 been his holding cards. He built up a large stack and than loss it all in the later stages and was asking me why?

Because he was ..... player.

Norwich Fan Rob

9 10 off into a 3 bb raise out of position..........hmmmmm, i think id fold

fuzzbox

So you folded ... and moved on to the next hand.

padser

By the way, if im reading it correctly the BB was still to act, as was the original limper? So you had two people behind you.

In online poker, and i dont know if im correct, but iv read that key strokes etc are used by the random number generator to shuffle the deck, even when first few cards have been dealt? So if you had called the flop would have been different? Or if you took longer to make ur decision etc etc. As i said im not certain im correct

gosplan

Rnger: "I want to ask this because I am having doubts about my basics. "

Ollie: "Its bad enough playing against this crap without having to read it here."

nice attitude man.

Mark_T_147

^^^ Yeah, V. classy altogether ^^^

Yeah I wouldn't even be thinkin of callin there buddy. I think your second post kinda explains why you made the thread to begin with...because of the T-9-T flop. Fine, you would've gotten paid there, but you are wide open to being outkicked/hitting 2nd pair far too often.

I make you a whopping 1,085.95 to 1 to flop a full house with unpaired hole cards; so, I think folding here is a no brainer.

RoundTower

Rnger wrote:

[Jan 31 23:05:37] : Current prize pool: $12,000
[Jan 31 23:05:37] : Current prize pool: $12,000

You should have said you were playing a rebuy tournament. Easy call.

jtsuited

staringelf wrote:

i'd fold it. you're out of position with the BB still to act. you also have a poor hand that, if you hit, can easily be outkicked. its also unsuited. you're really only calling for a straight draw or to hit 2 pair. the original raiser will continue bet post flop in all liklihood and it might get quite expensive to find out where you are. let it go, you've plenty of chips. there's gonna be much better spots than this. its not like you're getting odds to call either, there's only i person in the pot before you. throw it away and pick a better spot to play in.

Well it's the early stages of a rebuy tournament so i'd be a bit more flexible than this. I doubt the raiser could be holding AT/A9, so being outkicked probably won't be a problem. If you hit a 9/10 high flop, you only have overpairs and sets to worry about. i know it may seem a bit loose but the implied odds are big (added to by the fact it's a rebuy tournament).

OT Paddy i might call up on saturday night to the spirit store, so i'll talk to ya then. Bout two weeks from the end of the album, so i'm gettin out more ya know!!!!

jtsuited

staringelf wrote:

i'd fold it. you're out of position with the BB still to act. you also have a poor hand that, if you hit, can easily be outkicked. its also unsuited. you're really only calling for a straight draw or to hit 2 pair. the original raiser will continue bet post flop in all liklihood and it might get quite expensive to find out where you are. let it go, you've plenty of chips. there's gonna be much better spots than this. its not like you're getting odds to call either, there's only i person in the pot before you. throw it away and pick a better spot to play in.

Well it's the early stages of a rebuy tournament so i'd be a bit more flexible than this. I doubt the raiser could be holding AT/A9, so being outkicked probably won't be a problem. If you hit a 9/10 high flop, you only have overpairs and sets to worry about. i know it may seem a bit loose but the implied odds are big (added to by the fact it's a rebuy tournament).

OT Paddy i might call up on saturday night to the spirit store, so i'll talk to ya then. Bout two weeks from the end of the album, so i'm gettin out more ya know!!!!

Mr. Flibble

In online poker, and i dont know if im correct, but iv read that key strokes etc are used by the random number generator to shuffle the deck, even when first few cards have been dealt? So if you had called the flop would have been different? Or if you took longer to make ur decision etc etc. As i said im not certain im correct

I've wondered about this alot. Does anyone know if its true? I know it doesn't matter one bit but it would certainly help stop tilt in situations like Rnger's.

bmc

Mr. Flibble wrote:

I've wondered about this alot. Does anyone know if its true? I know it doesn't matter one bit but it would certainly help stop tilt in situations like Rnger's.

I can't give a definitive answer but as a programmer my guess would be that when it comes to dealing a card rather than selecting "the top card from a shuffled deck" they are selecting a random card from the remaining cards in the deck.

If this is the case then the random number that identifies the card to be used will only be generated when it is needed. Timing does affect the number. In any good random number generator the next number isnot predetermined by the previous ones generated and so will be different in the case where 2 seconds have passed and in the case where 2.0001 seconds have passed, so effectively if you want to avoid the techy bits then, yes, it is almost like the deck is still being shuffled as the game is going on.

Rnger

Mr. Flibble wrote:

I've wondered about this alot. Does anyone know if its true? I know it doesn't matter one bit but it would certainly help stop tilt in situations like Rnger's.

I was tilting before this hand. Getting sick of constantly missing the flop. I almost called and then thought "hang on a sec, this is a **** call, your tilting" and then procceded to go even more on tilt. I like to think that I wouldn't have gotten paid off at all.

I'm just embarrassed by this whole thread now! I wish it would disappear!!

Mr. Flibble

thats legend BMC. Now I'll never go on tilt when I would have flopped a big hand if I hadn't folded

ianmc38

Oh god that name "MrMular". he's the guy who called my bluff on the river in the 15k last night with bottom pair 5 kicker. AAAAAAGggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh