Showing cards at showdown?

limpdd · 31-01-2006 12:15pm #1

Hi,
In hold 'em at the showdown, do you have to show your cards even if you know your beaten?

Hitman Actual · 31-01-2006 12:19pm

In absolute rules terms, yes, you must show. But the general practice is to muck without showing your hand. BUT the other player can still request to see your cards, although this is considered to be poor etiquette by most players.

bmc · 31-01-2006 12:19pm

limpdd wrote:

Hi,
In hold 'em at the showdown, do you have to show your cards even if you know your beaten?

No. But...

In a tournament as an anti collusion rule in a lot of places you must show the cards IF SOMEBODY ASKS to see them. This is in case you are actually folding the best hand because you want to dump your chips to the other player.

fuzzbox · 31-01-2006 12:21pm

limpdd wrote:

Hi,
In hold 'em at the showdown, do you have to show your cards even if you know your beaten?

If your opponent asks you to show, then I believe you have to. Its often considered bad etiquette though.

One thing that annoys me greatly is when a showdown comes and neither side has a particularly strong hand, and neither one wants to show both cards, so we fvck about for 5 minutes while one says "one pair" the other replies "one pair", one flips one card "a Q" and the other flips one card "also a Q" and then finally the other flips a "T" and the 2nd guy either mucks or shows a "J".

Whats the fvcking problem ... just show your damn hand.

</pet-peeve>

Hitman Actual · 31-01-2006 12:23pm

bmc wrote:

No. But...

I think one of the Fitz dealers posted here before that the rules are both people must show, although the etiquette is different. Surprised me as well.

bmc · 31-01-2006 12:25pm

lenny_leonard wrote:

I think one of the Fitz dealers posted here before that the rules are both people must show, although the etiquette is different. Surprised me as well.

yeah... I'm confused now. It amounts to the same thing either way I guess.

Dub13 · 31-01-2006 12:39pm

I think anybody at the table can ask to see the cards...you don't have to be involved in the hand.

Hitchhiker's Guide to... · 31-01-2006 12:46pm

yep, its considered bad etiquette for the other player in the hand to ask to see the cards. But, they can. Anyone else can ask to see the cards (and it isn't bad etiquette) in order to check against collusion / chip dumping...

ollyk1 · 31-01-2006 3:39pm

Good article on this very topic.
http://www.cardplayer.com/poker_magazine/archives/showarticle.php?a_id=15227&m_id=65581

fixer · 31-01-2006 4:44pm

You only have to show your cards to collect the pot.

Jaden · 31-01-2006 5:09pm

If two (or more) people are in a pot, and all have called the river bet, who shows first? I would imagine it follows the same logic as betting, ie nearest the SB shows first. Is this correct? Useful to know, as I'm sure we would like to be definite on what information we can request of a player at the table we happen to be at.

bmc · 31-01-2006 5:12pm

Jaden wrote:

If two (or more) people are in a pot, and all have called the river bet, who shows first? I would imagine it follows the same logic as betting, ie nearest the SB shows first. Is this correct? Useful to know, as I'm sure we would like to be definite on what information we can request of a player at the table we happen to be at.

Pretty sure that the last bettor should be the first to show and then clockwise around the table.

Although, personally I think people should just get on with it and flip their cards over.

Jaden · 31-01-2006 5:16pm

I'm playing tomorrow night in a pub game where not showing/showing one card (GAH!) is very common on called rivers. I'd like to be certain of the manner in which this should be done.

bmc's suggestions sounds logical to me. Any other opinions? Greatly welcome if there are.

fixer · 31-01-2006 5:22pm

Original Bettor, then clockwise is correct. If no betting on the turn, then normal clockwise action rules (sb, bb, utg, etc)

Personally, if I have the nuts or think I have the far & away winner, I declare and show my cards without delay. If someone declares and shows and I am well beaten (failed bluff/semi-bluff), then I'll muck. If I had a reasonable hand and only got beat on kicker or by missing a monster draw, I'll probably show my loser.

califano · 31-01-2006 5:24pm

I like to show early as not to give the dealer the chance to do that roly poly thing with both hands!.

White Knight · 31-01-2006 5:59pm

Pokerstars in their instant hand history will allow any player to see what hand a player has mucked if they are in the hand with the player to showdown - this is a great feature IMO

Showing cards at showdown?

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