Stargate: SG-1 - 9x14 - Stronghold

Nietzschean

Well for all of you with cousins, talk here about SG1's 188th episode!




Well i think i should stop watching sg1 after that, whoa some painfull i must say they have successfully made me loth both of the 2 new main characters....

Berns

So what way's these ratin's work :rolleyes: Badass = Bad & its 2nd option :eek: Thought woulda been in order like 1st = Best & 5th = worst

Nietzschean

i just copied the options from the last poll, but badass usually does mean good...

Tazzle

It'd be cool of Teal'c really is brainwashed, and the ba'al thing was staged with another clone, and they use him being brainwashed as part of a further arc. Otherwise it was a damn crap episode.

is_that_so

Symptomatic of the season imho. A bit all over the place and fairly indifferent writing. Between the Ori and the "multiplicity of Ba'al" it's as if they are filling space until they get to another season.

User45701

wasent the greatest epsiode what a pitty

I thought it was between ok and good. It was no-where near as bad as epiphany or collateral damage. I wish the writers would work more on the main storyline, or bring back the goa'uld because they were entertaining.

Winters

About as exciting as watching poo dry tbh. Im really beginning to hate Mitchall or whatever the tard's name is. I mean seriously, I dont think many of us give that much of a toss about his back story. We miss you RDA

Next week should hopefully *crosses fingers* get back to some interesting story with the Orii. If it does not then I *may* just stop watching SG-1. Or they should just move Jackson to SGA and see how useful he would be there.

Venom

Winters wrote:

About as exciting as watching poo dry tbh. Im really beginning to hate Mitchall or whatever the tard's name is. I mean seriously, I dont think many of us give that much of a toss about his back story. We miss you RDA

Next week should hopefully *crosses fingers* get back to some interesting story with the Orii. If it does not then I *may* just stop watching SG-1. Or they should just move Jackson to SGA and see how useful he would be there.

This show has fallen so far so fast. Maybe its the nine season curse but more likely its the lack of RDA. SGA is just so much better and season 10 of SG1 dosent look like anything special either

Winters

I dont see why they are having this sorta problem. The Orii as an enemy provides ample opportunity, the histroy behind them and the Alterans could span for many episodes. They seem to be just giving wishy-washy pices of information and trying not to provide us with actuall decent thoery's, history or information on the Orii.

I also believe that they hurt the series by just introducing a new actor insted of Character. When Jonas Quinn was brought in for Season 6 he worked perfectly as he was a totally new character and acted in many a different way to Jackson. The two main new characters they have introduced act in the same manner as the men that they replaced insted of a new way to actually give us a different slant on things.

What they really need to do is just a shake up. Bring in less of these plot holes and half thought out and scribbled together bits and pieces of information about the Orii. Include the Asgard more, the Asgard have bee naround for years and I'm sure they may know something about the Orii and Alterans, and im sure they are worried about a Pryer coming to visit their new homeworld sometime soon.

I think also interconnecting Atlantas and SG1 a little bit. Im sure Dr. Jackson would jump at the chance of a trip to Atlantas and back to see the city. The deadalus is doing trips back and forth all the time, let him come see the city for crying out loud.

so .. yea. End rant and to bed.

SGA is proving a lot better then SG1, has done all this season.

Ivan

Hmmm, really bad episode, imho. About 6 minutes before the end I thought there has to be a second part to this. But no, they just wrap it all up in those 6 minutes, and quite horribly.

I was convinced that Teal'c was still brainwashed and that it was all staged. I was even sure I saw Ba'al's body move after everyone walks away. But in general, they wouldnt do the wishy washy scene with Teal'c and Mitchell at the end if Teal'c was brainwashed. At least thats what I'm assuming.

Anyway, I thought the episode was incredibly poorly pieced together. At one point I thought they were going to kill off Bre'tac just to add a bit of spice but then they caved there too.

My biggest problem with this episode (and it was a tough call what with all the half assed character development, uninteresting subject material etc. etc.) was how ineffective the Ja'Fa seem to have become.

I mean seriously. Warriors trained from birth and they just seemed to fall over.
Apart from the fact that some of them seemed to be having an epilectic fit, long before they were ever shot (though thats just bad stuntmen/directing) they were all just pathetic.

Firstly I dont think they got a single kill or even a wounding as far as we're shown.

Then they have one guy in a tower shooting down at anyone who enters through the gate but he has no cover and a horrible angle to shoot from. Also they have guys, who when the gate is activated and they are actually required to do something, they just stand and look at the gate with their weapons ready. To do WHAT? Wouldnt it be more strategic to stand BEHIND the gate?

Oh and dont get me started when bre'tac flies in with the Al'kesh. Incredibly sickening. And to think I stopped watching SG:A for pretty much these exact reasons...
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Anyway, thats my 2c.

P.s. Winters, now thats a rant you can be proud of

Peace

Jesus that was god awful....

I might not waste my bandwidth in future.

senordingdong

Winters wrote:

I also believe that they hurt the series by just introducing a new actor insted of Character. When Jonas Quinn was brought in for Season 6 he worked perfectly as he was a totally new character and acted in many a different way to Jackson. The two main new characters they have introduced act in the same manner as the men that they replaced insted of a new way to actually give us a different slant on things.

Haha...that's ridiculous. Jona was just Jackson mk.II.
How convenient that he has a super brain that allowed him learn all of Daniels notes over night, how convenient that he became an archeological expert, historical expert and moral back support of the team overnight. All in time to take Daniels place.
They did it on purpose to maintain the dynamic, the same way they did with Mitchell.

The only realy flaw with this episode was the rushed ending, which is nothgin new to Stargate or any show for that matter.
So the wishy washy emotional friend story wasn't great, but that type of thing gets done all the time, but it turned out well in the end not having the clíched ending of saving his friend and with Mitchell going on a bender.

The Teal'c story was good and not making a two parter was important since Teal'c has been through this type of brain washing before.

The action wasn't half bad either.
I'd give this one a low B or a high C.

ixoy

*Ouch* Think yer all being a little mean to this one. Felt it was middle-of-the-road stuff.

Mitchell's stuff wasn't bad. I'm with Senordingdong in that they didn't take the extremely obvious route. Indeed, I at times feared we were in for a flashback episode but all we got were a couple of clips and a fairly lame looking recall device. The banter there wasn't too bad and, regardless of the fact that I don't think Mitchell is a great character, I'll give them props for at least trying to add a bit of depth. Plus they killed Reed Diamond and I had already seen him blasted away in "The Shield" the night before - he just can't die enough...

As to the Jaffa stuff.. It's never been a fan favourite. I didn't think this was too bad. I felt it farily believable that the Council would be in disarray and that Baal would attempt to fill the void. I do wish though that he had been more careful for a trap, especially when he pondered whether Teal'c was faking. Oh well, he'll be back anyway...

We're on episode fourteen now, so I'd like to see more action on the Prior front rather than them turning up on different planes, waving their hands and healing people and going "Hallowed be the Ori". Let's get into their background, as suggested, and get more of a line on what the Ancients really think of it rather than just the renegade ones.

jor el

ixoy wrote:

*Ouch* Think yer all being a little mean to this one. Felt it was middle-of-the-road stuff.

I'd agree with that. Granted it wasn't great, and another filler episode from SG1 is getting a bit annoying, but it wasn't terrible. It'd be nice to see more development in the Ori story, rather than putting it all off to the last minute. Hopefully next weeks will do more for that, though I haven't read anything about the next episode so I don't know if it'll be just another filler or what.

Nice to see Baal back again, even if it probably wasn't the real Baal. Also, hearing his true voice is always kinda strange. If it turn's out that Tea'lc is actually still brainwashed, then that might be a bit of a bonus too. Maybe he could contact the other Baals on Earth? Speaking of which, how did the Clone Baal get off of Earth?

senordingdong

I really don't think this was a filler, episodes like Collateral Damage yeah but this was to do with the Jaffa nation and Goa'uld story arcs which are to be as prodominant as the Ori.

Kojak

When I read the reaction to this episode (before I seen the episode) I thought it was going to be sh1t.

However it wasn't too bad - a 3 out of 5 in my opinion.

Not as good as the previous week's episode 'Ripple Effect'