AKo preflop. Fold?

Daithio

$20,000 gtd on all in poker. 19 left, 10 paid. Prize structure is fairly top heavy. Average is 20k, I've just doubled up to 30k. I make it 2500 in mid to late position with AK offsuit. Solid enough player, (I think), makes it 9k to go. I've seen him re raise big twice and he has showed QQ both times. He has 6k left behind. The guy I had just doubled through makes it 16k, leaving himself 4k behind. I don't rate him as much of a player and think he is on tilt. Back to me. Call or fold? Fold I'm left with 27k, call and win I'm on 65k, call and lose I'm on 10k.

OilBeefHooked2

although I almost never fold AKo preflop I think this is one of those when I definately would.You've only invested 2500 and to a raise and reraise, you'll still have more than average stack left.

Scotty #

Tough one. Just read an article in Card Player about playing to just make the money or playing to win, I can't remember a wise quote from it at the minute though. I don't think I rate AK as high as most people but here I presume if you lose you'll still have about 10 BB's which is enough to scare people if the average is 20K. I'd call.

Daithio

Yeah I went with david-k's reasoning and folded. Would have been up against QQ and 1010 if I'd called, and would have hit the ace. I think if I'd had more time to think about it I would have called though. I don't think the first player is raising that much with AA or KK and the other guy is on tilt. I wish all sites had the time bank pokerstars and party have.

ocallagh

there is a vey good chance one of them has AA or KK.. I'd probably fold..

ocallagh

actually- this post reminds me of last night.(sorry to hijack but it fits with the title!)

Paddy (Taxi driver) and another player had been at each other a bit on the table.. The other player had raised paddy's BB 3 orbits in a row. Paddy was clearly pissed off and eventually defended with K9 and won a big pot. The guy said he folded QQ on a K high board..

Anyway, a few hands later the same guy limped in early-mid position - blinds 150-300. Paddy was on the button. Since the K9 hand, he had raised a few pots to 900 and taken them down. He had about 15k. But this time he makes it 4600 to go on the button!! He looks diectly at his nemesis and starts talking about limping or something... Anyway, this raise is 15 times the BB...! Im in the SB and see AKo. I have 8K which is more than the average stack... What do you do?

Ollieboy

with reference to Dave, I would fold, I would have one player on a high pair and its not worth the risk so close to the end of a tourney and you'll hopefully get another chance.

I've laid down AK a lot lately and its supprised me how often I can do it now and be correct.

With reference to the Niall, I would have came over the top. And than pray your ahead.

RoundTower

Daithio wrote:

$20,000 gtd on all in poker. 19 left, 10 paid. Prize structure is fairly top heavy. Average is 20k, I've just doubled up to 30k. I make it 2500 in mid to late position with AK offsuit. Solid enough player, (I think), makes it 9k to go. I've seen him re raise big twice and he has showed QQ both times. He has 6k left behind. The guy I had just doubled through makes it 16k, leaving himself 4k behind. I don't rate him as much of a player and think he is on tilt. Back to me. Call or fold? Fold I'm left with 27k, call and win I'm on 65k, call and lose I'm on 10k.

I call with your read on the second player. You're behind the range of the solid player, but the other guy might be putting some free money in the pot.

Doc Farrell

Dave's ace is dead (one has to presume), i fold ace king all the time when i'm last to speak and theres an annihalation between 2 others happening.

as regards Paddy, reraise, ur only 20/30% of whatever crazy hand he's playing but ya gotta!

ullu

Dave's hand : I'd call hoping to win a huge pot and get a chip lead. If I lose, I've still got enough to cause my opponents worry. You can't assume that an ace is already dead and I'd only be worried about the player who has shown down QQ twice. I may be wrong but I get the impression he'd make a stronger bet preflop with KK or AA so it's safe enough to assume he has QQ or worse. I wouldn't give the other player a second thought, TT is stronger than I'd expect him to have there, Ace rag through to QJ wouldn't have surprised me.

Niall's hand : Auto all-in

NickyOD

I'd have folded. Your stack is so deep its not your best interest to get involved here with tstacks that can hurt you. It's not often you are going to be up against 2 underpairs. With 2 reraises AA/KK is out there quite a lot and if not you are often up against an underpair and drawing thinner than usual because one of your Aces is dead.

DeVore

Dont presume that because a player is loose he's dumb. Pat Griffin is a loose player frm Kerry, From what I've seen of him the few times I've played against him in tournies, he's far from dumb.

Dave, I'd drop it most likely. Player two must also be in possesion of the information that player one has shown queens twice and is tight. If I am sure both have an underpair then maybe but suppose one has AKs. UGH!!
I dont think you need to gamble here. You can find better edges to put your money in on.

Niall. This is a really interesting question because we know these players so its not like we only have this one tournie to go on.
Personally I'd be all in like a shot. Paddy and the older gang consider me a total and utter uber rock. I play like that too but make huge steals sometimes and get away with them! And anyway, you have a hand. God knows its probably dominating Paddys KJ muck!
In this case because of my table-image ("club-image"?) I'd reraise. What others should do I dunno.

DeV.