Abusive chat on Paddy Poker

MorningStar

Has anybody noticed that Paddy Poker seems to be getting more and more abusive. Racial slurs and homophobic remarks seem to be the top ones.
I can take some friendly banter but it really is going too far. I swear to god there seems to be the BNP on there at times.
Am I the only one bothered?

JoeyJJ

Was playing yesterday afternoon and a buck from Galway was giving me abuse through the game, silly twat, worse was he won the STT...

okidoki987

Racial abuse shouldn't be allowed and I'm surprised PP allow it.
(does the software allow PP to block certain words?).
Do 1 of 3 things
1: Report them.
2: Ignore them, they will soon go away.
3: Give it back to them, only worse.
(if you looking for some comeback lines, I have some beauties for you)

MorningStar

okidoki987 wrote:

Racial abuse shouldn't be allowed and I'm surprised PP allow it.
(does the software allow PP to block certain words?).
Do 1 of 3 things
1: Report them.
2: Ignore them, they will soon go away.
3: Give it back to them, only worse.
(if you looking for some comeback lines, I have some beauties for you)

I would have thought somethings are just instant bans such as you say racial abuse. I was called a f**king Irish c*nt except the spelling was spaced to get by the software.

That was the final thing that made me report him but all they do is tell them not to and sometimes ban their chat. Funny you don't mention that homophobic remarks should not be acceptable. I get friends bantering but this is far from it.

bus77

MorningStar wrote:

Has anybody noticed that Paddy Poker seems to be getting more and more abusive. Racial slurs and homophobic remarks seem to be the top ones.
I can take some friendly banter but it really is going too far. I swear to god there seems to be the BNP on there at times.
Am I the only one bothered?

Alas, the stress of the siege imposed on them by the enemies who seek their chips.... Cut off from human contact, the whole world look's greedy, huddled around a light just as their ancesters had done, but this light neither warms like the camp fires of old, nor illumiates like the old at the camp fire.

And the ringmaster takes his cut from the cathode ray filled ring of theft!

Samba

How do you mean you are surprised ppp allow it?

Having worked for ppp I can firmly say without hesitation that they are 100% against racial or any form of verbal abuse on their poker rooms.

They simply will not tolerate it, ping a manager ask them to review the chat and you will not be hearing from any said player for a long time.

Coming on here and posting a thread about it really isn't necessary, take the appropriate action in future, that is to ping a manager and make a formal complaint.....

SandyVN

I was playing a $5 MTT last night on Boyle, down to the last 2 tables then these 2 observers come in (they weren’t even playing!! ) & start giving abuse.. For about 1hour! Id say they were kids. I was just about to log off when i ran a search for them & i found them at the play money tournaments..

Culchie

As well as that, it's unlikely that you were getting anti Irish slurs from 'PPP' players ... more probably Victor Chandler players.

PPP share the Tribeca platform and player base with other poker sites, and I'd say it was some of their players causing the hassle, going from your post.

PPP-Pit Boss

Hi all (ya bunch of *&^*&^ *** !!)
Racial abuse in fact any kind of bigotry at all is contrary to the ethos of the site and to our terms and conditions. Numerous "people" have been banned for this type of behaviour. The hosts get it too, the muppetry is realy quite incredible. We had one chap who after being banned by one of our hosts for this type of stuff told her he would **** her burn down her family home and dismember her children.... via mail.
Anyway. We do sensor words but there is always a faucken way around it. So we monitor as best we can and then ban on a case by case basis. We try to take into consideration that the site is an adult one and not to spoil the fun or treat the players like kids but abuse to another player is not tolerated. Of course one must step back also from goading and riling as this is part of the poker world.
Remember also that PPP is on a network. It is unfair to post ABUSE ON PPP when in fact you dont really know which site the player is on. Having said that we Irish do tend to curse up a storm. There are times when I expend more energy defending the friendly Irish usage of certain words the US might find morally offensive. YA BIG BOLLIX sounds funny to me.. not to Chuck though...
My advce is to report it! That is one of the reasons the hosts are there. Click on that little button and let our hosts take care of it.
Ta ta B*&(*&(&()
:0)

Ste05

As Samba says, just report them and they'll have their chat revoked. I know Poker Stars routinely ban chat for this kind of thing. And I'm fairly certain PPP are just the same. I wouldn't advocate giving it back as okidoki says though, just ignore it, or a simple lol can really get to them if they think they're not getting to you.

Drakar

I have to say I'd love to be abused. It's a sign you have someone really on tilt, or else they are drunk. Cha-ching :P Not everyone's cup of tea of course.

MorningStar

PPP-Pit Boss wrote:

Hi all (ya bunch of *&^*&^ *** !!)
Racial abuse in fact any kind of bigotry at all is contrary to the ethos of the site and to our terms and conditions. Numerous "people" have been banned for this type of behaviour. The hosts get it too, the muppetry is realy quite incredible. We had one chap who after being banned by one of our hosts for this type of stuff told her he would **** her burn down her family home and dismember her children.... via mail.
Anyway. We do sensor words but there is always a faucken way around it. So we monitor as best we can and then ban on a case by case basis. We try to take into consideration that the site is an adult one and not to spoil the fun or treat the players like kids but abuse to another player is not tolerated. Of course one must step back also from goading and riling as this is part of the poker world.
Remember also that PPP is on a network. It is unfair to post ABUSE ON PPP when in fact you dont really know which site the player is on. Having said that we Irish do tend to curse up a storm. There are times when I expend more energy defending the friendly Irish usage of certain words the US might find morally offensive. YA BIG BOLLIX sounds funny to me.. not to Chuck though...
My advce is to report it! That is one of the reasons the hosts are there. Click on that little button and let our hosts take care of it.
Ta ta B*&(*&(&()
:0)

I don't think it is unfair to complain about PPP for their lack of action. I repeatedly complained about the lax behaviour of the manager for banning a person being homophobic. The player wasn't even banned from chat let alone play. The guy I experienced last night was allowed play and only stopped from chatting. The "manager" even said I was over reacting and that as he lost the hand it was understandable that he called me a names.
By not actively preventing such comments PPP are facilitating this behaviour and will get in trouble if they don't do something.

PPP-Pit Boss

I am either not reading this correctly or you are writing your post incoherently. "I repeatedly complained about the lax behaviour of the manager for banning a person being homophobic. " Of course someone should be banned for being homophobic.. do you think they should not? Point me towards the homophobe and i will teach them the meaning of free love (and not in that fun spanky way). This is not a positive way to make a complaint. Send me all names times and incidents and I will look into it.
nnewman@paddypower.com

clint_silver

I havent used it and arent sitting in front of a game at the mo (in work!!) but is there not an "Ignore chat from user" option when you right click on a player? Of course it wont stop the rest of the table seeing it, but that shouldnt bother you.

MorningStar

PPP-Pit Boss wrote:

I am either not reading this correctly or you are writing your post incoherently. "I repeatedly complained about the lax behaviour of the manager for banning a person being homophobic. " Of course someone should be banned for being homophobic.. do you think they should not? Point me towards the homophobe and i will teach them the meaning of free love (and not in that fun spanky way). This is not a positive way to make a complaint. Send me all names times and incidents and I will look into it.
nnewman@paddypower.com

I will later as I am in work but I have a transcipt of a manger refusing to ban a customer for his homophobic comments.
What do you mean "This is not a positive way to make a complaint"?

I asked the manger to ban somebody for repeated homophobic comments.

The manager refused saying that was not policy

The manger did not even ban the users chat.

I expressed being unhappy with this the manger siad it was an understandable outburst

I disagreed and asked to speak to his superier and apparantly he was the most senior person about.

I asked him to send me the transcript on the Tuesday. He never did

I left it at that point but by using the channels avilable to me. I think this is what one is meant to do with complaints are you suggesting otherwise?

PPP-Pit Boss

Im to the "bottom" of it so to speak.
A player who was at the same table as morning star had his aces cracked in a horrendous bad beat.
He uttered the statement "GAY...ARSE" not particularly at anyone and these were the only two words he spoke over a period of two hours. On receiveing the complaint our host immediately spoke to the person in question who explained he didnt mean anything at all by it and was devasted and expleted after his bad beat. He was warned that this kind of expletive was badly received. He apologised.
It is our hosts firm belief that he meant nothing by it. No one was being slagged it was an unfortunate choice of expletives by no harm meant.
I personally dont see that this deserves its own thread.
Morning not to take away from your complaint in my opinion the guy was not abusing anyone.

DeVore

I am either not reading this correctly or you are writing your post incoherently. "I repeatedly complained about the lax behaviour of the manager for banning a person being homophobic. "

I think he might have forgotten a "not" in there somewhere.

I don't work for PPP (contrary to popular opinion) but I've worked *with* them on a number of things and have seen inside the borg cube (its kinda more a green slab tbh).

I can tell you they would have absolutely 0 problem banning someone for abuse. Now PPP have a good sense of humour (as witnessed by their ads etc) and are no wilting wallflowers as anone who has witnessed the full frontal assault that IS a drunken ppp-pitboss. However they would drop a customer who was being abusive like a monday morning lecture.

On the other hand, if its aVC player I doubt there is much they can do to them (never asked that question). I'm sure if you PM pit-boss there she'll look into it for you.

DeV.

MorningStar

Read the transcript of how many times this person kept saying the remarks and the direction.
Note the transcript of your staff and their comments

RoundTower

PPP-Pit Boss wrote:

I am either not reading this correctly or you are writing your post incoherently. "I repeatedly complained about the lax behaviour of the manager for banning a person being homophobic. " Of course someone should be banned for being homophobic.. do you think they should not?

No, of course they should not be banned for being homophobic.

Culchie

RoundTower wrote:

No, of course they should not be banned for being homophobic.

What does homophobic mean?

Degag

Against gays

Culchie

Nice one.

Certainly touched a raw erm...nerve anyway.

Samba

Note to Dev & Mods...

Morning star has a problem with how PPP handled a situation and now he is using boards to express his dissapointment with them..... I feel this is totally inappropriate and that boards.ie poker forum is not the place to make a public complaint, this is between PPP and Morningstar.

That's where it should stay...I am just expressing my deepest concerns as a user of this board

In short, keep it between ppp and yourself.

/end rant.

Glowingmind

Ban sambwichs chat.

PPP-Pit Boss

I dont at all have an issue with this post (general). In fact I think the subject (general) is a topic that is poker forum material.
I would be interested (generally) on what people consider acceptable and non-acceptable chats / taunts in the poker room.
As for this case as stated morning could speak to us directly and I have offered my email address

MorningStar

Samba wrote:

Note to Dev & Mods...

Morning star has a problem with how PPP handled a situation and now he is using boards to express his dissapointment with them..... I feel this is totally inappropriate and that boards.ie poker forum is not the place to make a public complaint, this is between PPP and Morningstar.

That's where it should stay...I am just expressing my deepest concerns as a user of this board

In short, keep it between ppp and yourself.

/end rant.

That is a fair point I didn't plan to complain about the specific just the general situation and lack of action and how people feel about it. However I am more than entitled to complain about poor service from any business. I will keep things general and private matters private.

Samba

****sambwich killed Glowingmind with Headshot from AK47******

Glowingmind

That looks like a death threat to me.

Samba

lol, get back to work ya bum

Cianos

Its a hard call alright to know where to draw the line between abusive and acceptable. Aswell with international players, there is a big cultural barrier factor. In saying this it is usually quite apparent in individual cases what is said as abuse and what is said as friendly/light hearted banter. But on a broader scale I dont think applying insta-bans for use of particualr words is practical. Guess its just up to the individual player to complain if he/she feels they are being abused. :v:

DeVore

People should NOT be banned for being homophobic.

"Homophobic" means an irrational fear of people who are homosexual.

Would you ban people for vertigo? "An irrational fear of heights"?


People get banned for being abusive, nasty or threatening. And so they should. Pedantic... yes but accurate.

Anyone being abusive to a player should be chat-banned. I see no reason to ban them outright when a permanent chat ban does the job. There is more then one player on these boards who have been chat banned (they told me themselves).

Discussing what should and shouldnt get you banned is perfectly acceptible here. Discussing specific instances is not (and not wildly interesting for any of us except the sh*t stirrers!)

DeV.

hotspur

I have to say that my experience of playing on PPP has been that very significantly less abuse goes on in the chat window than on many other sites such as Stars which has the chat window built into the main window, Tribeca's chat window is big, detachable and removeable and less people seem to use it than on other sites and there is less chat and therefore less abuse goes on.
I don't know a single online player who hasn't abused someone else at some time or other, and often it's a bit of fun, calling someone a moron for getting lucky is an emotional imperative at times I would be very lenient in handing out bans for abuse if it were up to me, and it would have to follow previous warnings unless it was exceptional in its nature. We're all adults (well there's a more significant issue ) and there is the option to block a player's chat or turn chat off completely. So what if someone uses a creatively spelt expletive? In fact I often delighted in the British / Irish ones you can get away with on Fulltilt
Some sites go overboard where you cant even type "suck", and don't attempt to type "snigger" into Stars. Does Party still censor the word "pokerstars"?

PPP-Pit Boss

DeVore wrote:

People should NOT be banned for being homophobic.

"Homophobic" means an irrational fear of people who are homosexual.

Would you ban people for vertigo? "An irrational fear of heights"?


You are quite right Tommy. Very literary but absolutely 100% correct in the statement. But of course Vertigo is an irrational fear of heights usually resulting in a reluctance put oneself in that position.
"Homophobic" is a word very often taken out of context as it should mean and irrational fear of homosexuals, but it tends to mean "a social inacceptance of homosexuals resulting in violent verbal bigotted outbursts"
So I applaud your correction on the grammer being used. But hold our stance on abuse of minority groups.
Ta ta my two cents

EDIT: still not banning player for unfortunate expletive in question

Norwich Fan Rob

last night in the $200 freezeout on ppp, 19 players left, i have average stack of 3200, blinds 200/400, folded to button who also has 3200 and makes it 1000, i move all in on BB with AK, he calls me with for his whole stack with A8 (and i had not made a move in the previous 30 mins at that table), he rivers a str8 to his 8, and i call him a complete dead money muppet, who doesnt know the first thing about poker..........i was so annoyed as was having a bad day, and this would put me in 2nd in a tourney i usually do well in, and i just felt i had to type something..........he said look who has all the chips or something, grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr, sometime i feel something just has to be typed, but would never abuse him personally or racially, just let him know i think he cant play his way out of a paper bag.

jtsuited

I remember on stars one guy kept on calling another guy a fag, and then someone said 'i'm actually gay' in the chat. But then everyone decided to put the same thing it in the chat for a laugh. And the original abuser left the table crying out everything he possibly could. It was hilarious.

Now to really split grammatical hairs:

Vertigo is a 'fear' of heights
Arachnophobia is a 'fear' of spiders
Agoraphobia is a 'fear' of open spaces.
Oddly enough the modern dictionary definition of homophobia is different, despite the literal constuction of the word.

Homophobia is defined as an 'aversion' to homosexuality. 'Aversion' is defined as a 'strong disinclination or dislike'.
Taking either definition however, i don't think homophobes should be banned. And here's the reason:

Half the people we play online poker with are probably Bush-supporting, right-wing nuts (when looking at the demographic probabilities), so to ban anyone for irrational fears or 'aversions' would be a bit silly. And certainly -EV for us players

While i am completely against racial or homophobic abuse, i really don't think anybody who gets upset by these petty remarks (by idiots) can realistically have the emotional stability and focus to be poker players.

There are ignorant abusive people everywhere. The great thing about poker is you get to take their money. And if you make some sort of pass at them at the same time, all the better!!! Secretly they'll love it!

Hitchhiker's Guide to...

Culchie wrote:

What does homophobic mean?

only a gayboy would ask a question like that

RasTa

I got chat banned from PPP for typing " I kill children"
Listening to Dead Kennedy's at the time.

So i am suprised they didnt ban the homophobic dude

DeVore

Ok Nikki, I accept I was being somewhat pedantic (though not patronising, which of course means "talking down to" ) **

But I do have a point. Anyone being abusive for ANY REASON (not specifically homophobia, sexism, racism, etc etc) should be banned. It shouldnt be compartmentalised into ("ism"), just judged on whether it is abusive and nasty or hurtful to the player(s).

I have never been abused on PPP personally (though I play under a pretty obvious name!) and if I was I'm pretty sure the Hosts would sort it out sharpish. Lose one abusive a-h*le or 10 decent players, I know what Paddys would do.

DeV.

** Oh I'm gettin' such a slap the next time I'm in there...

Ste05

Just so I understand this thread, are you saying that people should be banned completely from playing on the site for abusive chat??

Surely the only necessary action needed is that they be stopped from communicating their racist, homophobic, sexist or vertogoist (is this even a word?) views and beliefs, but there's no need to ban them completely. Who cares what someone's mad beliefs are, just once they don't cause offence to others, for all we know we could be playing with Osama Bin Laden, some serial killer, a devout Nazi skin head, but honestly who cares or knows who we're playing, once they don't offend others, or try to communicate their personal views to others. They might be crap players and I still want their money on the table.

nicryan

DeVore wrote:

DeV.

** Oh I'm gettin' such a slap the next time I'm in there...

that'd be pretty soon then....cause you work there and all...............



Nic
--mmmm boredom at 9am....need to sleep...gotta be in the fitz at 6....

OilBeefHooked2

MorningStar wrote:

Racial slurs and homophobic remarks seem to be the top ones.
I can take some friendly banter but it really is going too far.

sticks and stones......:eek:

PPP-Pit Boss

RasTa wrote:

I got chat banned from PPP for typing " I kill children"
Listening to Dead Kennedy's at the time.

So i am suprised they didnt ban the homophobic dude

The "dude" lol.. was not banned and not because we think its cool to be homophobic but because he was not being homophobic. He was expleting after a bad beat.
STRAIGHT.......ARSE
hands up all offended?

Samba

Urge to excercise Pedency growing....


Another storm in the tea cup......for both sides....

Glowingmind

let it out sambwich.

Lafortezza

Are PPP able to ban VC or Doyle's Room player?

And I doubt abusive chat would *ever* lead to someone's account being banned. Why would PPP or whoever ban a playing customer when they can just chat ban them, t'would just be losing rake.

DeVore

Nor should any site, why stop someone from reading a book because they are a nasty person. Or cycling because they have a foul mouth. Just stop them talking. When I ban people from here, we still let them read.

By the way, I will reiterate that I don't work for Paddy's I work with them. (And I thoroughly enjoy it when we do!)

DeV.

Ste05

Ah good, I thought the discussion was veering towards PPP banning players from playing completely.

Doc Farrell

I've had issues with nutter/scum players that PPP dealt with with extreme prejudice. They are also the only site i know of that banned 1st and 2nd for colluding and gave Len the ticket for the Irish Open.

In other words, they are doing a good job.

Ste05

Well collusion is definitely a banning offence, cheating can not be tolerated :mad:

DeVore

Ste05 wrote:

Well collusion is definitely a banning offence, cheating can not be tolerated :mad:

Agreed.

DeV.

Brendygg

playing a $10 stt one nite guy gets very annoyed cause i put him out on the bubble,starts giving out mad i just played away and won but it is annoying.and now tonite he came to a table and starts on about me going out of an mtt early the other nite,their just bored sad people,

Brendan