Which fighter could you beat?

fianna.5u.com

Okay anybody here fancy their chances against any of the pride / k-1 / UFC fighters?

Go ahead, throw modesty to the wind, after all its only an internet forum...

Peace

john kavanagh

street or sport rules?? lol:D

fianna.5u.com

Would it make a difference? It's not you and your mates bailing in! ha ha.

If its a pride fighter, pride rules, a k-1 fighter k-1 rules etc.

Peace

columok

I cant think of a single modern MMA fighter that I'd have anything on at any range!

Even looking at the the lightest guys circa 60kg Japanese dudes- they'd own me on the ground.

Between my beginner's standup, clinch and ground and my poor conditioning and strength I'd say any Pro or even many amateurs would knock lumps off me.

When Royce has better striking than you- you know you're in trouble.

dlofnep

I think I'd have a fair shot at beating Tim Sylvia. I'd have the reach on him..

Colm_OReilly

I've Rear Nakeded (?), amongst others, Minotauro, Chris Brennan, BJ Penn, and Saula Riberio. There's photographic evidence of this on various people's cameras (Ninja and JudoMick spring to mind) but I've decided not to release them until their fight careers are definitely over, consdiering how it would ruin their income potential.

master_kennette

Hmmm... for me Mike Whitehead.. that guy from TUF2.. Hey he's also in UFC:57 he will be fighting against Jardine.

judomick

giant silva

Dragan

master_kennette wrote:

Hmmm... for me Mike Whitehead.. that guy from TUF2.. Hey he's also in UFC:57 he will be fighting against Jardine.

I don't know, you might get tired following him around the ring! THough i am expecting good things from him against Jardine, but Jardine is DANGEROUS plain and simple. Far more dangerous than he appeared on that show.

Me , i reckon i could hang in there with Arlovski for at least a tad longer than The Headhunter did.

Yeah, i reckon i could run for 10 seconds!!!!!

paddyc

would love a go at

Albert Kraus

and also Peter crooke from UK, K! max and superleague fighter

also that Russian Emilekia fedor fella I batter him like a sausage

damo

I could probably pressure point KO my way to the top of Pride and/or the UFC....i wont though because it lacks honour and i dont wanna hurt the fighters too much....and i have a full time job anyway.

damo

P.S

That is to say i dont wanna hurt/possibly kill the other fighters with my techniques.

pma-ire

damo wrote:

I could probably pressure point KO my way to the top of Pride and/or the UFC

You can't cause they are banned in the rules!!! :P

damo

pma-ire wrote:

You can't cause they are banned in the rules!!! :P

banned due to devastation!!

Fedors a lucky boy....

fianna.5u.com

Giant Silva hahahaha


Hey Paddy, would you not take a crack at baukaw?


So who are over rated as fighters?

Peace

Clive

fianna.5u.com wrote:

So who are over rated as fighters?

I'd have to say Fedor. Not saying he's not phenomenal, a beast and it doesn't look like anyone will beat him in the near future - but people make him out to be some sort of invincible cyborg.

Fujita rocked him, Mino took three solid rounds of ground n' pound from him and wasn't stopped, Randleman took him down like he wasn't there etc.

Internet fanboys making out that nobody is a challenge to him, IMHO, belittles how hard the dude trains and how smart he fights.

fianna.5u.com

I have to agree with you. He's right for the moment and works hard and fights smart.

I'd say Vitor Belfort. He's a great athelte but I don't think he's a great "fighter". He seems to have alot of personal demons he can't beat, which is unfortunate because, when he is on, he is on.

Most of the TUF guys I'm afraid.

Lee Murray.

Frank Shamrock.

Peace

smashey

fianna.5u.com wrote:

Okay anybody here fancy their chances against any of the pride / k-1 / UFC fighters?

Go ahead, throw modesty to the wind, after all its only an internet forum...

Peace

Bring them all on. As they say up here "I would bust their f*******g heads":D

Dragan

fianna.5u.com wrote:

Most of the TUF guys I'm afraid.

I would agree with this to a point, a lot of people are overestimating what they have done so far and assuming that this means greatness, however i believe many of them have the potential to be great.

Look at the likes of Josh Koscheck. Wrestlers nearly always transfer well to MMA , as these guys are used to hard trainer and tough competition and drilling things until they know them. THis guy is also incredibly smart, he's trained with some good guys and they speak well of him, he stays calm when things are not going his way, or when they are. He doesn't shoot his load and try and sink something when the time aint right. His striking has also come on quite a ways.

Diego Sanchez is another guy who comes to mind. Heart of a lion, great skills, fantastic G'n'P and another guy who is shaping up well and will learn loads.

Joe Stevenson, Luke Cumo, Keith Jardine, Stephan Bonnar, Mike Swick, Forest Griffin. All guys who can bring something very dangerous into the Ocatagon at their level, and have shown some good potential for growth.

Sure , whether some of them should be getting places in UFC pay per views or even on Ultimate fight nights is debatable but **** it, they are getting there shot, the crowd is behind them and they seem to be growing.

The different story is should the likes of Forest Griffin be taking on the likes of Tito Ortiz. I don't think so, i think it's an unfair match and Tito is just too experienced. That said, if Griffin pulls it out and beats him well then look what happens to the guy, even if he loses well then he's sorted. He gave Tito a run for his money.

I guess what i'm trying to say is that many of them are overrated ability wise, but when it comes to ability to learn, they have HUGE potential.

dlofnep

fianna.5u.com wrote:

I have to agree with you. He's right for the moment and works hard and fights smart.

I'd say Vitor Belfort. He's a great athelte but I don't think he's a great "fighter". He seems to have alot of personal demons he can't beat, which is unfortunate because, when he is on, he is on.

Most of the TUF guys I'm afraid.

Lee Murray.

Frank Shamrock.

Peace

Some of the TUF guys are underrated and under-appreciated if you ask me. Diego Sanchez is probably one of the best in the world right now at 170 but he will probably have to beat GSP or BJ Penn to prove it. Leben has pulled up a string of solid wins and has an impressive record.. He also won't get his deserved respect until he beats a Rich Franklin. Joe Stevenson is known all over the US even before he went to TUF.

If you ask me, although TUF gives them all massive exposure for fighters, it makes elitest fans look down on them. Truth is, they are as good if not better than the fighters that get thrown on UFC's cards day in, day out.

As far as Vitor goes.. right now, I don't think he's overrated. I think the majority of the fans know his limitations. He might of been overrated 3 years ago, but not now.

Frank Shamrock - Just hasn't fought anyone recently to cement his name. Beating Cesar Gracie however won't do that either. He's beaten Tito Ortiz and Jeremy Horn. I know it was both early in their careers, but a win is a win. Frank is a good fighter - He still has alot to prove.

And Clive, to say fedor is overrated is to say grass isn't green. fedor is the most convincingly impressive fighter in the world today.. The greatest fighter in the world today. Getting rocked by Fujita and slammed by Randleman impressed me more - It showed me that even after being rocked, he can keep his composure and get the win. Not many fighters can do that.. On top of his devastating ground and pound and tricky hands.. Let's just actually see why he's the best in the world right now.

He has wins over Arona, Babalu, Herring, Nog, Goodridge, Coleman, Randleman and Mirko Crocop. It's not like he's fought a bunch of cans. He's fought his fair share of who's who to get to where he is right now. Who's left for him to fight? Mark Hunt who I think he will beat, Sergei, who I think he will beat and possibly Shogun if he moves up weight permantly who I think he will also beat.

Fedor is the man and nobody can prove him wrong.

fianna.5u.com

I'm not disputing Fedor's greatness, but people do beleive he is an unstoppable machine, which is selling the guy short, he's just a dude who is the best fighter in the world. He is over rated in the snse that he is better than everyone, but not 10 times better like most people beleive.

There are some great TUF guys, no doubt, however, they are over rated. THat isnt to say they ain't good, just that they are not as good as most people think, they are "rated" "over" their ability. (yes maybe they coudl all be the best in the world but right now they ain't).

Frank SHamrock was one of the best ever fighters, but he isn't anymore. He might come back and hand Wand his ass, then what he is "rated" would be equal to the reality.

Peace

columok

I'm not disputing Fedor's greatness, but people do beleive he is an unstoppable machine, which is selling the guy short, he's just a dude who is the best fighter in the world. He is over rated in the snse that he is better than everyone, but not 10 times better like most people beleive.

I think Fedor's skills are overrated rather than Fedor as a fighter. There are people with better standup than him and we've seen Fujita's long hooks rock him. There are people with better clinch than him and we've seen Randleman (a very limited 2D fighter) slam him on his ass. There are people with better ground than him. Yet Fedor is complete in his ability to withstand and survive bits of fights where he's getting his ass kicked and come through and win.

Dragan

columok wrote:

Yet Fedor is complete in his ability to withstand and survive bits of fights where he's getting his ass kicked and come through and win.

Exactly , because to be a good fighter you can just be able to win, you have to be able to not lose when other people would.

If that makes any sense at all.

Clive

fianna.5u.com wrote:

I'm not disputing Fedor's greatness, but people do beleive he is an unstoppable machine, which is selling the guy short, he's just a dude who is the best fighter in the world. He is over rated in the snse that he is better than everyone, but not 10 times better like most people beleive.

Papa Pearse has suplexed the correct!

dlofnep

I don't think he's 10 times better than anyone. Infact, I've never seen him portrayed as such. As far as his striking goes.. He stood the majority of 3 rounds with Crocop.. A man who has beaten the best of the best in K-1 and Fedor got the upper hand. His hands are unpredictable and unorthodox. He hits hard, fast and with supreme accuracy.

Fedor is the man...

master_kennette

Hey I just noticed this.. I had posted the UFC:57 fight card.. Well Whitehead vs. Jardine? Im not against whitehead he had a good MMA record, but didnt he just quit in the TUF2 season? He has mental lapsed, Is he cured?

Dragan

He didn't "quit" , i think it was just the size of the moment got to him, plain and simple. Sure, he had a **** fight, but so did the other guy at the end of the day.

master_kennette

Well I will surely watch him on UFC:57 I like to know if he is cured.. He's a good fighter and have a nasty knees he can beat Jardine if he is focused... I hope I can see him on PPC. cuz PPVs only shows 80% of the show, You can missed some great scenes because of the commercial.

Dragan

I'm actually gonna give the fight to Jardine, ref stoppage due to a cut!

Jardine can put in some vicious elbows ( i think people are starting to really grasp how effect a good elbow strike can be at opening someone up! ) and he is a tough, tough guy. He's very hard to knock out, as is Whitehead.

padraic mchale

Jardine can put in some vicious elbows ( i think people are starting to really grasp how effect a good elbow strike can be at opening someone up! ) and he is a tough, tough guy. He's very hard to knock out, as is Whitehead.[/QUOTE]


saw the effectiveness of the elbows last night on Bravo "Ultimate Fight Night 2". David Lauaso (sp) cut evan tanner to shreds with 3 elbows

master_kennette

On UFC:57 - I predict that Liddell is going to knock Couture out again. The only reason he won the first fight is because he controlled the stand-up game and psyched Liddell out. Second time he lost because Liddell came prepared. He's not going to take this third fight lightly either.

Dragan

padraic mchale wrote:

saw the effectiveness of the elbows last night on Bravo "Ultimate Fight Night 2". David Lauaso (sp) cut evan tanner to shreds with 3 elbows

Indeed , a fight he was losing quite badly in terms of points and he ends it in three strikes, well planned and well placed.

Also look at recent wins from Ken Florian, the FIRST time he ever got to throw an elbow in the ring ( he had never fought under a rules systems that allowed elbows to the head until that point ) he cut Chris Leben and made his way to the tough final. The second time he ever threw an elbow in the ring he ripped Alex Karlexis' (sp?) nose in two and won.

George St Pierre can stick a good standing elbow as well. I'm sure many more people here can give us good examples of standing elbows, i may be wrong by i only really have them standing out recently.

Elbows in guard discounted obviously.

Darkwarrior

Frank SHamrock was one of the best ever fighters, but he isn't anymore. He might come back and hand Wand his ass, then what he is "rated" would be equal to the reality.

Maybe we'll get to see that dream match after all...
http://www.cagewarriors.com/page.asp?ID=1425

Darkwarrior

fianna.5u.com wrote:

Frank SHamrock was one of the best ever fighters, but he isn't anymore. He might come back and hand Wand his ass, then what he is "rated" would be equal to the reality.

Maybe We'll get to see that dream match after all

http://www.cagewarriors.com/page.asp?ID=1425

schmooFlan

fianna.5u.com wrote:

Okay anybody here fancy their chances against any of the pride / k-1 / UFC fighters?

Go ahead, throw modesty to the wind, after all its only an internet forum...

Peace

Emmanuel Yarborough :-)

What I was wondering was, who would you really hate to get in to
the ring with? I mean, if you were fighting Genki Sudo or someone, they
might just breakdance in front of you and choke you out: no harm done.
Or someone like Vovchanchyn might just knock you out.
But I think I'd be scared of going anywhere near, say, Mark Coleman
back in the day, cos you'd end up coming out like your face had been in
a meat grinder.
Any other scary fighters?

damo

id say tito would give you a solid pounding if an average person had the nerve to step into the ring with him

columok

Look at James Thompson Vs. Giant Silva. FEAR!!!

Or Wanderlei and his stomps would likely mess you up.

That or you could train Ninjitsu and enter UFC 2 and get really messed up.

Dragan

Imagine stepping in the ring with the old Tank Abbot. You know if he got you a good one you would NOT be the same person after.

I would be seriously upset about having to get in the ring with Cro Cop. That ****ing high kick is just something else.

Mark Kerr.............. i'd just run i think.

schmooFlan

Dragan wrote:

I would be seriously upset about having to get in the ring with Cro Cop. That ****ing high kick is just something else.

I dunno if you've seen that Croatian documentary about him that's
floating about on the interweb, but there is a hilarious line in it where
he's asked how dangerous his kicks are, and he says in a real dead-pan
voice : " Right leg: hospital. Left leg: cemetary."

Dragan

schmooFlan wrote:

voice : " Right leg: hospital. Left leg: cemetary."

Seen it, it's quality!

damo

columok wrote:

Look at James Thompson Vs. Giant Silva. FEAR!!!

Yeah Thompson is a monster & he has that totally flipped out insane look in his eyes aswell...scary, apparantly he was a london debt collecter before he was a fighter...i wouldnt like that guy knocking on my door looking for money - argh!!

master_kennette

Darkwarrior wrote:

Frank SHamrock was one of the best ever fighters, but he isn't anymore. He might come back and hand Wand his ass, then what he is "rated" would be equal to the reality.

Maybe we'll get to see that dream match after all...
http://www.cagewarriors.com/page.asp?ID=1425

Shamrock is named as coach in TUF3 together with Tito Ortiz... Well both hate each other. Coaches fight in the Finale of the season right? Tito will nail Shamrock for sure.:D

Dragan

master_kennette wrote:

Shamrock is named as coach in TUF3 together with Tito Ortiz... Well both hate each other. Coaches fight in the Finale of the season right? Tito will nail Shamrock for sure.:D

Ehhhh........it's Kenny that's been named as a coach, not Frank. And it's Kenny that hates Tito, not Frank.

master_kennette

Oh yeah yeah.. Sorry Its Ken Shamrock not Frank. I was a bit lost there.. WEll what the heck.. TUF3 will be good with KEN and Tito coaching the new UFC fighters.

Dragan

Hell yeah. I can see Kenny freaking out though. Tito is normally pretty calm. He has commentated on some of Kenny's fight and has always given him his propers, most notably the fight where Kenny knocked out Kimo with a knee.

Kenny on the other hand has never been able to let that "Guy Mezger is my Bitch" t-shirt drop.

While i am no fan of Tito ( he comes across as a bit arrogant and even though it may have been deserved at one point better men than him have remained more humble ) i can still see Kenny being the cause of most of the grief.

Unless Tito decides to create tons of heat to get a lot of fan interest going in his fights.

fianna.5u.com

Firstly let me just say that I would hand both Ken Shamrock and Tito their asses. This is the which fighter could you beat thread. HAHA.

Seriously, Ken and Tito will create as much heat as Dana White thinks is good for the TV show. Regaurds the fight, I cant see how Ken could beat Tito. Sure if he left Lions Den and trained somewhere else (He will be based in Las Vegas for TUF and perhaps he'll get training with The Natural).

Tito comes across as an arogant moron. However, with no support from the UFC etc he forced his way into main stream popularity. In "real life" everyone who has met him (at least that I have heard) has nothing but good things to say about him. He is meant to be one of themost appraoachable fighters in the UFC.

Peace

Dragan

fianna.5u.com wrote:

Tito comes across as an arogant moron. However, with no support from the UFC etc he forced his way into main stream popularity. In "real life" everyone who has met him (at least that I have heard) has nothing but good things to say about him. He is meant to be one of themost appraoachable fighters in the UFC.

Peace

That's a very good point. I think at one time Tito was loved by the crowd because he was working his way through the Lion's Den fighters one by one. He was taking on the stable the Kenny had created and was happily calling the best in the world and he was winning.

He is also very tenacious and a man of great will power. Remember that this is a guy who learned to fight from watching fights and training in his basement and he learned to win in his own way.

Without a doubt Tito has more chance than Kenny does in the fight at this time, but one person i will never write off is Ken Shamrock.

I think the sting of his last loss to Tito will be a great motivator for him.

fianna.5u.com

I've never doubted Kens motivation, but he is very old school. His best fight for me was against Fujita - FUJITA! Which he quit out of. But it was him at his very best. Even at that best I think tito would beat him. SUre tito could come in bad, but if Ken isnt training with the right people it just aint gonna happen.

Its a shame that Ken's prime was spent in WWF!

Peace

SO WHICH FIGHTER COULD YOU BEAT!!!!!!!!

Dragan

Very good point, at the end of the day it was the money calling him i guess.

As for who i would beat, at my stage in training i would really need to go against against a striker, and even then a really bad one!!!!

My ground game is non existant, so even someone with rudimentary grappling could most likely tap me.

That said i would be more than happy to go for a takedown and try and get in their guard and drop elbows. ( i ****ing love elbows )

All in all, i would give myself a strikers chance against maybe Chris Leben, but only because he leaves himself wide open and doesn't mind getting smacked in the chin, which would be a mistake! I hope!