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pc building advice . . .
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25-01-2006 3:17pm#1
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I built my first PC last weekend. I had done upgrading before but never a full build. The hardware aspect was easier than expexted but the software caused a few headaches. The main reason was a conflict between my Maxtor Diamondmax 10 hard drive and the nForce4 chipset on the motherboard. In the end after many failed XP installation attempts I had to disable the nvidia sata/raid option. Apart from all that it was good fun and nothing beats getting a load of fancy boxes delivered, with all your custom picked parts inside
. As for your budget, well I spent near to a grand for mobo, cpu, gfx card, case, psu and ram. That included p+p though. 0 -
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mconnol7 wrote:ok i'll use my work password instead
anyway looks like i'll be going dell for now,
i can upgrade later i guess. . . .
Hard to upgrade Dell's, often no AGP port, proprietary cases and power supplies to stop you changing parts.0 -
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You're forgetting they're all working to his budget & linking to new gear.[DM]-TheDOC- wrote:And reading above i see alot of people linking 512mb ram, go for a gig, its not exspensive and will make your pc alot noticably faster, especialy if you get some running at a good speed.
All nForce4 mobo's support dual-core X2's with a BIOS update. Also, typo -- "PCI [is] the future" :rolleyes: And it's PCI Express is abbr PCI-e[DM]-TheDOC- wrote:Go for a dual core mobo with sli if possible that has pci ex slots. PCI and dual core are the future.
A bit contradictory, but we'll let it slide -- X800GTO, 6600GT & 6800GS are the mid-range cards ATM.[DM]-TheDOC- wrote:If you are big into games, dont take anything less for a graphics card then a 6800 or a radeon x800, youll find yourself upgrading soon enough, but if your playing todays games, and maybe some in the next year, then a 6600gt is plenty
Not sure about the "preferably branded" bit -- are you trying to tell him to avoid generic RAM (ie, that without a large company name), or avoid Value-RAM (which is good)? Hmm...[DM]-TheDOC- wrote:Definatly hit 1gb of ram without doubt, preferably branded. Corsair is well kown to everyone as a good set of ram, but its not essential, jsut amke sure you take 1gb.[DM]-TheDOC- wrote:HDs these days are falling in price. You can get a 250gb at 72rpm for a really nice price. Dont mind people who cry about maxtor etc, they are all fine. 72rpm is fine dont be fooled by people saying 10k is the way to go, 72 is perfect. But try get a 200gb min, or you could go get two 160s. 72rpm!
Anyway, from reports it seems Maxtors have problems with the nForce4 chipset; that and lots of boardsies have had bad experiences.
Where did you read that all new games will be 64bit? I want sources... especially as you can't buy a good, true 64-bit Intel processor.[DM]-TheDOC- wrote:Definatly get a 64bit proc. All new games coming will be 64 bit, so a 32 wont give you the true beuty. Accept nothing less of 3ghz, and 2mb cache. Your proc is really the msot exspensive part of the pc, and the most important to actualy run it. Dual core is the new wave of proc, but at the moment a bit unproven, jsut make sure your mobo is dual core compatible, then take any proc over 3ghz you like, no matter what people say bout amd being better, gets whats cheapest, you wont notice a difference.
And all AMD64 processors have either 512kb or 1mb L2 cache.
So getting a true 64-bit CPU with 2mb L2 cache & a clockspeed... well, no-one's made one yet.
Dual-core has been proven effective, just not for gaming as of yet, true. Plus, it's out his price-range anyway.
Oh, and AMD trounce Intel in gaming. Do not question it; just live with it:o
Quality is way more important with the most important component in your PC. Sadly, knowing which is best is hard to find out -- Akasa, Tagan & Seasonic; 3 brands of the top of my head (Seasonic especially)[DM]-TheDOC- wrote:Get a nice power supply. Uusaly supplied with a case, they are really usually 400w, if its not too much, upgrade to a 550, i did for a cheap price and its worth it for future uipgrades, better having more then les,s especially if you want to overclock.
Obviously not essential, though. Cheapest DVD-ROM drive will do here, like you say.[DM]-TheDOC- wrote:Drives are really cheap. Get a 16x dvd/dvd rewriter combo. All dvd rewriters come with cd rewrites i nthem as standard usualy at 48x so thats no problem. Then invest in another 16x dvd drive, jsut normal. Its good to have two, to just straight copy.
I've heard some debate questioning that, since it's possible to do similar stuff with USB flash... eh. It's a tenner.[DM]-TheDOC- wrote:Get a floppy drive, they cost like 10 euro, and worthwhile for one reason, boot discs, the amount of hasle you can get from the new boot cds, just get a flopy and make your boot on that and your laughing.
A decent PC will not really be outdated for a few years (witness the huge amount of people running with FX5200's!); new software will usually just need a visual quality downgrade in 1 or 2 areas. No biggie.[DM]-TheDOC- wrote:They are the gerenal things you should look for really when your building your own pc, you must remeber that every year goes by, pc specs double, so no mateer whe nyou buy your pc it wil get outdated, soyou really want to get something that will play the games you play now. If you dont play games you can get a decent rig for less then 500 euro, for games, like the one im getting it costs 750.
You might wanna tell us where you're finding this, please?:v:[DM]-TheDOC- wrote:If your willing to shop online and deliver from overseas you can get a nice rig for less then 1000 euro, or get an absolute animal for 1000 euro.
And if anyone calls me a grammar Nazi -- well, you can go stick it!0 -
Haha, it's too tempting not to say it:
The Doc, your PC is actually a bit mid range in some aspects!
Still a nice pc though....
Anyway, I think the best to do with that budget would be get something from the Dell outlet store, or buy a cheap Dell pc (although you'd want to be careful not to get something too cheap or it won't have an agp slot) and put in a new gfx card yourself. Dell seem to always have offers on now with double the ram so picking up 1gb shouldn't be too hard. The ram in Dell pc's isn't too bad either. When I ordered my pc ages ago, it came with a gig of samsung pc4200 ddr2 ram...
If you have a fair bit of money you could build a monster rig for much cheaper then Dell's gaming prices but for a budget basic pc it's hard to beat Dell really...0 -
ok alot of comments there
With reagrds to the RAM, some rigs will come to you with generic unbranded ram, branded ram is more useful and reliable for overclocking.
When i say 72 and 10 rpm i assume you all understand i mean 72000 etc
I had a amd, but am getting a p4 simply cause of price and there isnt amassive or even minimul difference. but the Pentium 4 processors all run at 2mb cache, the ones i have seen.
I had an amd then changed, didnt notice a difference.
And from reading magazines and website articles, new 64bit games will appear nxt year, and a 32bit system wont get the full potential of the technology.
with people building their pc for the first time, ive heard many people having problems with boot cds, a floppy drive costs as little as 10 euro now, checked internet, and it saves hassle. and they can be handy
i find all my info from reading magazines and tlaking to my mates who are all high end pc technicians and researchers. also studying computers in college. And there are some gr8 resources of the net, one site that tells you bout everything ill go find the link.
high end pc must be insane =D cause my pc coming (yes i havent bought it yet) is perfect, like playing hl2 at over 100fps on high specs, a high end will make me orgasm =P0 -
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[DM]-TheDOC- wrote:ok alot of comments there
with people building their pc for the first time, ive heard many people having problems with boot cds, a floppy drive costs as little as 10 euro now, checked internet, and it saves hassle. and they can be handy
Very true. When installing third party Sata drivers, XP asks for you to use the A: drive. (Don't know any easy way to change this)0 -
Speaking of which it's the great thing about Dell's XP disc.
I don't have a floppy and was able to install XP onto a fresh sata drive like you would a regular ide one. All the sata drivers are on the cd
But then that's only going to work with DELL pcs.
But still....saved me alot of bother!0 -
I was able to do this with my new rig last summer - all custom parts from komplett and I've never needed a floppy disk. Don't know why you think this is some benefit of Dell? Also "The Doc" says not to get any cpu under 3Ghz which is complete rubbish as an AMD @2ghz will easily outperform a P4 @3ghz. E.g. My rig outperfoms the 3ghz P4 on this thread with him having an x800 and me having a 6600GT - http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=50770814#post50770814MobileInfantry wrote:Speaking of which it's the great thing about Dell's XP disc.
I don't have a floppy and was able to install XP onto a fresh sata drive like you would a regular ide one. All the sata drivers are on the cd
But then that's only going to work with DELL pcs.
But still....saved me alot of bother!0
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