Recommendations for a half stack

Jayce

I would like to get a half stack for mainly metal sounds

but I also like to use it for a nice smooth tone for leads

I use a lot of effects so the settings on it dont have to be great

I need one that can really put some power into my playing

1. I was looking at the hughes and hefner warp 7 & X

2. I was thinking of mesa boogie (but they are really dear, in order for me to get one of those I would have to sell all my guitars)

thanks
Jayce

Doctor J

Can you give an example of someone's tone which is in the neighbourhood of what you're looking for?

It wasn't me!

Half stacks are unnecessary. Get yourself a biatchin' combo and you're sorted. Those sound like they'd do the job, plenty of people pimping the Hughes and Kettner in these parts.

Ravelleman

*begins chanting*

ENGL
ENGL
ENGL

*doesn't stop*

-=al=-

but half stacks look cooler :cool: ive a TSL100 and im more than happy with it... theres the most lamest ranges of overpriced amps here in ireland so it sucks for choice,

but if u want nice smooth leads and a nice overdriven metal tone, it helps to have more channells to vary the tone more, which is half the reason why i have the TSL, good cleans good overdriven rhythm and a great solo tone, but most prefare the odler JCM's and DSL's but depends what u want the amp to do... + i got 800 euro off it... and i dont use distortion pedals so it helped... but i like the JSX amps, the peavy ones.. the engl ones look nice, never played on though... and the mesa's well u gota seel ur house to get one of em... or in ur case a guitar

bombidol

Peavey!

sei046

Hughes and Kettner Zenamp. Just buy it

Patricide

I vote either peavy 6505 or some form of engl, In an ideal cash flow situation id either Recomend a Herbert diesel or a framous cobra.

Jayce

Anyone know where is a good place to buy a half stack

I am from Ireland so I would like somewhere in europe to be shipped from

I heard great things from engl

I might get that VHT amp and then hook it up to a cabinet

not too sure though

Spicy Lauren

Ahem, can someone explain to me....

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What is a half stack for?

Sorry for the silly question, I just need to know!

Doc_Savage

Combo:


Halfstack:


Full Stack:

sei046

i wouldnt count the avt as an amp

Spicy Lauren

Yeah but whats it for??!!

feylya

Loud Noises!

Spicy Lauren

Feylya, I was expecting an answer a bit more technical than that!
I can make loud noises with me amp at home, ya know

feylya

Sorry, watching Anchorman.

Half stack means more speakers. More speakers means more air being moved. Gives a "fuller" sound.

Doc_Savage

by "fuller sounds" you mean loud noises yeah?

the stack makes transporting it more practical!

imagine lugging 4 12 inch speakers AND an 100watt amp in one complete unit up the back stairs via the ladies toilet to the stage a few times a week.... heavy enough?

separating the speakers and amp makes it a bit more bearable!

*that's what i expected as a response from feylya!*:D

SG-Leper

Anything valve based is gonna sound alot sweeter, especially cranked! But the speakers in your cab go along way to helping your tone/sound along too, and anyting with greenback speakers is gonna make you smile from ear to ear.

I run a Marshall DSL 50 head through a 1960 TV cab and its just owns period, IMO it leaves anything Mesa/Orange/ENGL have to offer way behind and I've owned tried em all over the years (just my opinion). Jim's got the formula when it comes to valves!:)

-=al=-

ive a 1960a lead cab with a TSL100 head, wud changing the speakers to those 30w greenbacks or the vintage ones give a different tone, more warmer?

SG-Leper

-=al=- wrote:

ive a 1960a lead cab with a TSL100 head, wud changing the speakers to those 30w greenbacks or the vintage ones give a different tone, more warmer?

Hi al,
Absolutely, the greenbacks offer a much warmer fuller sound in my opinion, I had the 1960a and b lead cabs and sold them off for the TV. The sound is alot less harsh through the greenbacks but still can give the tone required for metal and hard rock, I find the speakers give you alot more control to what you want to achieve!

sei046

I love the Tsl but i definitely dont agree that anythin tube based is better. The Dsls are fine but not the best for sculpting an individual tone with

Patricide

Just found this today the MArshall mode four has gone pretty cheap on gak you can pick up a head and 4 x 12 for 1300 together, all i say is BARGIN.

sei046

Its a very heavy saturated amp though. Make sure you like it first!

SG-Leper

sei046 wrote:

I love the Tsl but i definitely dont agree that anythin tube based is better. The Dsls are fine but not the best for sculpting an individual tone with

The DSL is the and has been the hub of the Marshall sound from the 1960's to present day through the JCM800 series right up to JCM 2000 series; that cannot be argued. So if you're looking for an authentic Marshall sound/tone then the DSL is where you go.

I'm not dissing the TSL or Mode 4 range in any way, they are very fine amps built for the modern player and offer a great range of monster tones to play with; but you can't dismiss the fact that the DSL has been the spine of the Marshall sound from way back.

I think sculpting an individual tone is up to the individual not the hardware, you buy specific hardware to steer you in the way you want your individual tone to go.

Also in my opinion I have yet to see an SS to match the valve sound, valves are high maintainance in comparison to SS and are also a hell of lot more expensive to get your hands on.......I wonder why?:p

Aren't opinions great!

It wasn't me!

Marshall's signature sound is either a 1959SLP or a JCM800. That is all.

Eoin Madsen

Spicy Lauren wrote:

Feylya, I was expecting an answer a bit more technical than that!
I can make loud noises with me amp at home, ya know

More speakers = different sound.

Eoin Madsen

SG-Leper wrote:

The DSL is the and has been the hub of the Marshall sound from the 1960's to present day through the JCM800 series right up to JCM 2000 series; that cannot be argued. So if you're looking for an authentic Marshall sound/tone then the DSL is where you go.

The DSL and TSL are both JCM2000s, which were introduced in the late 80s/early 90s. The "hub of the Marshall sound", if you really want one, is the 1959 Super Lead. The JCM800 evolved out of the Super Lead in the mid-70s.

Other than also having a 100 watt powerstage running on 4xEL34s, there's not a whole lot in common between a DSL and an original SL. A DSL even contains a half dozen transistors. I can see how confusion could arise since the name "Dual Super Lead" implies a connection with the Super Lead - but trust me, I've seen the schematics.

Doc_Savage

i'm gonna give the good ol' JTM-45 a shout as the original and most important Marshall sound ever!:D

sei046

i agree with Eoin. The DSL is a far cry from "that" marshall sound. The TSL is a fantastic amp in its own right. The DSL is a very restricting amp tone wise.

SG-Leper

sei046 wrote:

The DSL is a very restricting amp tone wise.

:eek: Please explain further?

Eoin Madsen

The TSL and DSL are more or less the same amp but for the trimmings. Given that there are several different versions of each with different powerstages, there would seem to be little wisdom in making generalisations.

Doc_Savage wrote:

i'm gonna give the good ol' JTM-45 a shout as the original and most important Marshall sound ever!:D

Yeah, many would agree.

Not me though.

sei046

The DSL has the shared eq right? i am thinking of the right amp? i used one for a while and found it a bit "its this or nothing". Good ol' boogies and most marshalls can give you a bit of diversity.

-=al=-

DSL has different tubes too, they're are different, but not to different, It depends what u want the amp for and what u want the amp to do, it was perfect for me and what i wanted i prefared the TSL a lot more over the DSL, mostly the 3 channells and seperate EQ, VPR and a bunch of other tone options, much mroe versatile,


The lead channel on the DSL is nice and big sounding but not too big to be much to heavy for rhythm, so it's basically a mix between the lead and crunch channel of the TSL, because the lead channel on the TSL sounds too big for thrash rhythms because it just has so much gain and fullness to it, so it suits lead down to the ground, and the crunch channel has a lot less gain as the lead channel on the DSL, because it's designed for rhythms in hard rock and metal type of music.

If you want to use the TSL for metal, you'd best be off with an overdrive pedal to push the rhythm channel to have a lot more gain and tweak the sound so you can have even more sounds at your leisure, but an OD pedal would suit a DSL a lot too because you could have the lead channel set for rhythm and use the OD pedal to boost it for leads.

and i came to the conclusion about the speakers, if it aint broke dont fix it... + it wud be more hassle to change em

sei046

i do find the lead channel a bit too saturated for me in the TSl but it grew on me

Eoin Madsen

-=al=- wrote:

DSL has different tubes too, they're are different, but not to different

That's not really true. The three different models of DSL all have different valves in the power stage, depending on the wattage - just like the various TSL models do. If you must draw a broad comparison, the TSL100 and the DSL100, for example, have exactly the same valves in every stage.

The differences are all just switching tone stacks, volume pots, etc.

Doc_Savage

Eoin Madsen wrote:

Yeah, many would agree.

Not me though.

actually my fave marshall sound is a fully wound up jcm800!!:D

sei046

JCM 800 is defo a serious amp

fitz

AC30 ftw.

sei046

I dunno for what he is looking for and its tough to find one in half stack form

evilbreadmaker

It wasn't me! wrote:

Marshall's signature sound is either a 1959SLP or a JCM800. That is all.

here ****en here!!

NeMiSiS

Using a TSL 100 at the moment.. can't fault for the kinda sound I am after it is pretty much perfect. Was looking at the DSL but the shared EQ pissed me off, it's a bit laxadaisy to be honest..

What I generally do is, put a mini jack into the return on the master effects loop on the back so i can have two volume levels for all my channels.. so if you need a heavier rythym you can use the Lead channel.. with FX Loop on rather than just the Crunch channel as yer rythym.. very handy..

Also any TSL owners know if the emulated line out is a special kinda of XLR lead.. mine does not seem to lock in place with a normal XLR.. looks like it could be a longer version.. maybe I am just hallucinating..#

TK

!_Brian_!

Jayce wrote:

I would like to get a half stack for mainly metal sounds

but I also like to use it for a nice smooth tone for leads

I use a lot of effects so the settings on it dont have to be great

I need one that can really put some power into my playing

1. I was looking at the hughes and hefner warp 7 & X

2. I was thinking of mesa boogie (but they are really dear, in order for me to get one of those I would have to sell all my guitars)

thanks
Jayce

You say you use your own effects? The Warp 7 is the way to go so. 2 channels only and the distortion is a bit of a one trick pony but if all your after is amplification of the tone coming from independant pedals then you cant go wrong with the warp 7. espically at under a grand compared to 3750 for a mesa boogie tripple rectifyer! I'v been using one for about 2 years now and have no complaints at all. Does the job perfect.