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PL omaha question

  • 25-01-2006 2:56pm
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,828 ✭✭✭


    Hi All,
    Sorry for the lack of a hand history but I think I've got the details covered.

    .50/.50 PLO, medium strength table, some tight, some too lose. Everyones got pretty much the $50 buy in.

    Dealt to me 7h7c9h10d

    Raised to $1 and 7 see the flop, I'm in mid position,3rd or 4th.

    Flop comes 7s8hJh and it's checked to me.

    I've got the current nuts and redraws, problem is that bar the case 7 or the 8h my redraws aren't that great, medium flush or low house.

    How do I play this?? do I allow a free card given that not too many cards can hurt me, only a 9 or 10 would put a higher run on, any heart and I've still got lots of outs against the nut straight, if an 8 or jack fall however I could be in trouble especially as there's 28 cards in other peoples hands.

    My thinking was to try an isolate myself against another player who hopefully has 9 10 also but without the redraws so I bet half the pot hoping that someone had 9 10 and would reraise, then we'd get it all in and I should be freerolling for his whole stack.

    Was this incorrect, should I have tallowed a card??

    In the end I bet half pot and everyone folded....grrrrr


Comments

  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,828 ✭✭✭gosplan


    sorry ment 10h in line 6, not 8h


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,666 ✭✭✭Imposter


    What has happened previously? Do you bet pot/half pot/something else with big draws, what are the rest of the table betting (amounts and what sort of hands on what sort of boards).

    The 28 cards in other peoples hands have no real baring on your cards. The only time it might is if you are pretty sure someone has specific cards.

    I'd bet here. The reasoning is:
    - You could have any trips - which you have
    - You could have a flush draw - you have but not a good one, although at this level that never stopped anyone before
    - You could have 2 pair - probably not with this board
    - You could have the nuts - you do and it needs protecting
    - Your bluffing - highly unlikely but possible
    - checking is asking for trouble with your hand

    The bet size is the next question. If you've always been betting 1/2 pot then that's what you should do again. Otherwise I say bet the pot as anyone who's going to call is going ot have at least 2 pair (or maybe just a decent flush draw) and is probably going to have you beaten if one of their cards hit or else they've the current nuts too and probably not as many redraws as you.

    If someone calls then you've got to be careful if the turn means you don't have the nuts anymore. Here's where I struggle in Omaha especially if i'm out of position so i'll say no more on this. If noone calls you've taken down the current pot and not been outdrawn and lost a lot of money so that's sort of good too (although obviously you want ot win more).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 555 ✭✭✭fixer


    You bet, no one called. What's the problem? Were you hoping to bait 5-6 into drawing for the bottom end of a straight?

    another made straight wasn't out there.
    the top 2 sets weren't out there.
    The nut/2nd nut flush draws weren't out there.
    The 9-K wrap wasn't out there.
    top 2 pair probably wasn't even out there.

    No matter the size of your bet, you probably weren't getting any more out of this hand, except runner-runner flukey outdrawn if you would have given free cards. If you did get called, there were about 20 cards to counterfeit ya (and only 2 to improve you)

    I don't want to speak in absolutes, but it is seldom ever correct to give free cards in Omaha.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,897 ✭✭✭BigDragon


    gosplan wrote:
    sorry ment 10h in line 6, not 8h

    Maybe Im blind but you dont have the nuts then. You have a set of 7's (bottom set at that) and the redraws. The nuts is 8,9 and u dont have an 8????????????

    Am I reading this wrong?????


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,806 ✭✭✭Lafortezza


    nuts is 9T, OP has the current nuts (nut straight), gutshot sf draw, low flush draw, bottom set.

    With 7 people in you should bet the pot, you'll get action from alot of hands, most of which you'll dominate with your freerolls and blockers.

    Be happy to get all-in against loads of people!


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  • Subscribers Posts: 32,859 ✭✭✭✭5starpool


    lafortezza wrote:
    nuts is 9T, OP has the current nuts (nut straight), gutshot sf draw, low flush draw, bottom set.

    With 7 people in you should bet the pot, you'll get action from alot of hands, most of which you'll dominate with your freerolls and blockers.

    Be happy to get all-in against loads of people!

    He corrected it to read 7,10,J with 2 hearts. With this flop he didnt have the nuts. But in the original post he said he had the nut straight with 7,8,J.

    I'm confused......


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,083 ✭✭✭RoundTower


    You should bet the pot here, or checkraise if it is very likely someone will bet. You can easily be up against another nut straight or top set or the nut flush draw, in all of these cases you will want to be betting the pot. If it is really likely someone will bet, you could checkraise instead.
    Imposter wrote:
    If you've always been betting 1/2 pot then that's what you should do again.

    Not so. If you've always been betting 1/2 pot, it's not too late to stop and never do it again.


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