Voyager

hemanhe

What did ye hate most about voyager? Paris? Neelix? The doc? The stupid story lines?

i hate the whole hologram bullsh!t running through the last few saesons. i saw an episode the last day where the doc joined a rouge bunch of holograms. he betrayed his hip and committed treason. Was he punished in any way?

Pigman II

I hate Chakotay. Boring bastard in every way (including his background and culture).

BuffyBot

Neelix mostly. Paris was borderline annoying. Harry Kim was dull, dull, dull. Kes wasn't great but they could have developed the character into something more interesting if they had tried.

Vokes

I read recently that Michelle Forbes was offered a part in Voyager (as well as DS9 previously). She wouldve been miles better than Chakotay

toiletduck

I hated the doctor the most. Just barely more than the 'reset' episodes!

Kojak

I hated the sight of Neelix.

Stupid rat-like fu*k. :mad:

J.R.HARTLEY

neelix followed by the captains voice.

User45701

kes the rest where fine kes was like wesley crsuher or young jake sisco TOS was the only seriesn without someone annoying in it

mcgarnicle

Voyager was just a pile of ****, well worse than enterprise imho. The worst thing about it was the final episode, wait 7 yrs to get them home and then we dont even see them go back to earth, utter crap.

halenger

SofaKing wrote:

I read recently that Michelle Forbes was offered a part in Voyager (as well as DS9 previously). She wouldve been miles better than Chakotay

I saw someone mention her in relation to 24 but didn't cop who she was.

That would've been quite ironic (sorta) if she'd have been Chakotay and Edward James Olmos (Adama, Battlestar Galactica) had taken the Janeway job.

I never really disliked Voyager though it could be annoying at times as with all things but I'd really love to see what Edward James Olmos could've done as Janeway. He's fabulous in Battlestar.

Vokes

Wasn't it another actress that was originally supposed to be Janeway?

BuffyBot

Geneviève Bujold, she quit on the first day or filming or something stupid like that

Goodshape

halenger wrote:

love to see what Edward James Olmos could've done as Janeway. He's fabulous in Battlestar.

Was that ever a possibility?

I'm honestly not sure there's anything I like about Voyager. I could name characters and episodes which were more tollerable than others, but basically they're still ****e.

Most of the acting, characters and character development (if you could call it that) wouldn't have been too out of place on Fair City. The whole 'lost in space' aspect of it didn't seem to have any bearing on anything other than to make it even more dull and infuriating (7 years away from any sort of starbase and not a scrath on the ship.. never any serious fuel shortage.. nothing like that).

I always thought they could have really done something with the premis, but they failed miserably. Instead they went for a by-the-numbers next-gen clone, which turned out to be the only thing that made it even remotly watchable. Could have been so much more.

Wallko

What up trekky nerds???

mcgarnicle

Wallko wrote:

What up trekky nerds???

Word!!!!!!!

User45701

they did have fuel shortage episodes like then demon planet episode

Goodshape

User45701 wrote:

they did have fuel shortage episodes like then demon planet episode

Was that the one where they all got cloned? Christ that was rubbish.

Stark

The follow up episode they did to it was brilliant though.

DirkVoodoo

Wow, where to start...

Firstly the characters were always crap, lacking any of the interesting interactions that take place on shows like BSG, Firefly (should still be on the air!) and Lost. They were all too goody-goody, there was no darkness to their characters. And how the hell did people like Kim and Neelix rise up the ranks to command when we saw 40 yr old blokes in unitard jumpsuits still walkin around like they were fresh outta the academy. If I had to call some snot nosed punk like Neelix 'sir', i would have pulled my teeth out!

Secondly, First Contact was, in my opinion, the best trek movie, one that even a casual sci-fi or even action movie fan could enjoy. Granted it hasn't aged well (the borg 'assimilation' of the ship looks a bit weak, some moulded platic panels stuck on here and there...oh, and they changed the colour of the warp core!), but it had all the right ingredients: action, drama, characterization (cochrane, picard and borg queen). But above all, it continued the TNG image of the borg as an unstoppable (nearly) force, an apathetic enemy that did not kill with prejudice but assimilated 40 yr old ensigns into mindless drones.
Then comes Voyager....swoosh!!!....bye bye Borg, were first gonna take out cubes like they were rice krispie squares by making up some new pulse/wave of energy/radiation/[insert fictitious babble here] then were going to destroy them from the inside with that 'unimatriz zero' crap. By the end of voyager the borg had become a disposable, enemy-of-the-week, b-grade bad guy, just there for cannon fodder. I wil concede that some of the 8472 versus borg things were ok, but they even turned 8472 into a lukewarm threat, neutralized by some more of that amazing Captain Janeway diplomacy. Thats what I liked about DS9: they came up against the dominion and tried to be 'hey were nice guys, lets all be friends' but diplomacy failed and we had a nice big war that tested each character on the show and led to some nice little stories knitted together by this galactic war that wasnt resolved in 40 mins around the Voyager conference table.

Thats about it anyway....*phew*, ive been waiting along time to get that off my chest. If there are any omissions, dont tell me! I dont want to start ranting again!

Oh, and Fox should never have cancelled Firefly, instead we should be asking for less reality TV and more quality TV

Zillah

DirkVoodoo wrote:

Thats what I liked about DS9: they came up against the dominion and tried to be 'hey were nice guys, lets all be friends' but diplomacy failed and we had a nice big war that tested each character on the show

Oh the dominion war...wonderful.

Jack B. Badd

Janeway has to be the most annoying thing about Voyager. "Look at me, I'm a woman, I can do things a million times better than any man!" Talk about a chip on her shoulder. It was totally reactionary and sexist and men were treated like second class citizens for the most part.

toiletduck

how many crew died over the seasons yet it was never an issue. where did they get their photon torpedos. and most of all, why didnt the borg ever use that transwarp conduit that was just 1 light year from earth or thereabouts??

galactus

Hi...first post in this forum, please be gentle ;-)

The worst thing about Voyager has to be Janeway's grating voice. Shudder!

Neelix is annoying but at least he's not Wesley Crusher.

Voyager as a whole is nowhere near as good as TNG or DS9 but it did have some excellent episodes. DirkVoodoo has mentioned some of these but my personal favourites are the Captain Proton episodes - especially "Bride Of Chaotica": genius!!

Jack B. Badd

The way the episodes ended was another annoying thing. nine tenths of the way through the episode someone would suggest a solution (usually with an over-reliance on technology) to the problem & then suddenly there'd be a jump and the whole thing would be resolved. Painful!

toiletduck

the fcuking irish holodeck program! ARGH!!!!!

binaryboy

toiletduck wrote:

the fcuking irish holodeck program! ARGH!!!!!

oh god yes and the way the controls for the delta flyer were from captain proton!

mac_leinn

Jack B. Badd wrote:

Janeway has to be the most annoying thing about Voyager. "Look at me, I'm a woman, I can do things a million times better than any man!" Talk about a chip on her shoulder. It was totally reactionary and sexist and men were treated like second class citizens for the most part.

I agree. Janeway was a very badly written woman with little or no character developement (as with everyone else on voyager). It was a good idea (having a woman captain, something new anyway) but badly implemented. Which is actually suprising since ds9 had some great women characters, Kira, Dax (Jadzia and even Ezri), Cassidy etc. So they were clearly capable of writing good female parts. Now that I think of it even Quarks mother had better character developement than Janeway.

Goodshape

mac_leinn wrote:

I agree. Janeway was a very badly written woman with little or no character developement (as with everyone else on voyager). It was a good idea (having a woman captain, something new anyway) but badly implemented. Which is actually suprising since ds9 had some great women characters, Kira, Dax (Jadzia and even Ezri), Cassidy etc. So they were clearly capable of writing good female parts. Now that I think of it even Quarks mother had better character developement than Janeway.

DS9 was a well writen, quality show. It really doesn't compare imho.

While I prefer The Next Generation over-all, I think - technically - DS9 was better.

Baggly

what was it; ten year story arc.


now thats quality at the right price.

mac_leinn

Goodshape wrote:

DS9 was a well writen, quality show. It really doesn't compare imho.

While I prefer The Next Generation over-all, I think - technically - DS9 was better.

Surely its possible to compare both shows. Were they both written by they same people (or mostly the same people anyway)? Honestly, Im not sure about this so correct me if Im wrong.

Anyway, if voy wasnt written by the same people they should have taken a few pointers from ds9.

Kojak

toiletduck wrote:

the fcuking irish holodeck program! ARGH!!!!!

Jesus, that was absolutely terrible. :mad: :mad:

Jack B. Badd

I met someone recently who prefers Voyager to all other Star Trek shows and thinks Janeway is hot! Poor boy, doesn't know whether he's coming or going!

Goodshape

I have met people who seem to prefer Voyager alright. I usually just assume they're either too young or stupid to realise that its little more than a shallow TNG rip.

Haruspex

Goodshape wrote:

I have met people who seem to prefer Voyager alright. I usually just assume they're either too young or stupid to realise that its little more than a shallow TNG rip.

I absolutely agree that it was a TNG ripoff. I have no respect for a series which effectively emasculated the Borg, TNG's archvillains. They were overused in Voyager, mostly to revive flagging ratings during its days on UPN, and completely diluted their menace in doing so. By "Endgame", the Borg were mere nanoprobes of their former selves.

Jack B. Badd

Haruspex wrote:

I absolutely agree that it was a TNG ripoff. I have no respect for a series which effectively emasculated the Borg, TNG's archvillains. They were overused in Voyager, mostly to revive flagging ratings during its days on UPN, and completely diluted their menace in doing so. By "Endgame", the Borg were mere nanoprobes of their former selves.

Totally agree there. In TNG, it was "Agh, the Borg!", in Voyager "Sigh, the Borg...zzzzz". I never understood how the Borg who assimilated countless species (some significantly more advanced than the Federation) couldn't assimilate humans (or at least the humans/etc. on Voyager). I mean we're not that special as far as I can see but they still couldn't do it. Non-sensical, I tell ya!

jor el

Jack B. Badd wrote:

... couldn't assimilate humans...

Maybe they just didn't want to. Or just bad writing as mentioned already.

Anyway, going back to the beginning of Voyager, I absolutely hated the Kazon and everything to do with them. In fact, I think I hated Voyager right at the beginning and only watched it (sometimes) becasue it was a Star Trek. Most hated character I guess would have to be Nelix.

toiletduck wrote:

the fcuking irish holodeck program! ARGH!!!!!

I only seen this episode recently for the first time. God it was terrible. Why oh why must all American TV shows do an 'Irish' episode at some point

Fuhrio

yep, the irish episodes were ****e.


BUT, overall I still thought voyager was a legend of a show.

As was TNG and Enterprise.

Senbotsu

Lets see, the fact that the first two season's were in Kazon space(I am aware that this is because all of the money was used up on DS9, which was worth it) but come on two seasons or near enough to that of Kazon, Kazon, bloody Kazon. The Irish holoprogramge was a hate crime against the Irish nation.

The fact that Voyager ruined the Borg(something thats been mentioned more than once in this topic), like a friend of mine used to say, "Why dont the Borg just send two cubes after Voyager" which is true. =P

And yes the transwarp corridor right on Earth's door step does sort of beg the question why havent the Borg invaded Earth yet? It's not like they dont know its there or anything.

Fuhrio

Kazon were admittedly crap.


And yes, there were some little moments where you'd think..."how convenient".



But i think people are just nitpicking, on the whole i enjoyed a good 85 - 90 % of the episodes, and after all, its not meant to be real, so you dont have to go nuts at every little plot inconsistancy.

elurhs

Voyager and DS9 were not written by the same people, as they ran at the same time. DS9 started first, so it probably had a better staff to start with. Ira Behr was the producer for DS9, and contributed in a major way to its success. When TNG ended, DS9 got Ron Moore and Rene Echevarria, two of the best Star Trak writers ever. VOY got Jeri Taylor, and was produced by Michael Piller, and they just weren't up to the same standard.

ando

I liked voyager although kes and neelix were depressing to watch. I could never get into Ds9 for some reason, that bald fella that changes shape was annoying to the ears and the idea of a station instead of a ship never interested me

Kojak

ando wrote:

I liked voyager although kes and neelix were depressing to watch.

That was one of the first reasons why I developed a dislike for Voyager - how the hell did that lad (who looked like a rat or some other hairy animal) land Kes, who was hot??

Dunners

Kojak wrote:

That was one of the first reasons why I developed a dislike for Voyager - how the hell did that lad (who looked like a rat or some other hairy animal) land Kes, who was hot??

Cos he was a multi-talented paedophile, she was only four odd years old after all...

Jack B. Badd

Multi-talented? Um, he could cook (badly) as far as I remember. That's not really multi-talented.

toiletduck

Dunners wrote:

Cos he was a multi-talented paedophile, she was only four odd years old after all...

LOL!