Best Horse Racing Tipster

dvdfan

hello,

Just wondering if anyone has used this tipping service www.personal-info.co.uk, they started proofing about 1.5 months ago and there strike rate is excellent, just wondering if anyone has used them long term and if there strike rate is any good over a longer period. Thinking of investing in them, also does anyone know any other good tipsters that have good results over a long period?????

Hoping to make a second income out of this

[nicK]

that site in particular seem to have a very professional set-up with the "inside information" slant, but i would have to see many more proofed stats before considering joining...

as of yet, i've never tried any tipping service, but the majority i've heard about seem to lose over long periods or break even at best..

the problem for me would be that the enjoyment of selecting your own horse is taken away, and your expectations are too high.. which is never a good thing in horse racing..

scojones

My view may be pedantic, but, I don't think you should ever invest in ANY tipping service, where you have to pay for their advice. By paying them, you are already losing. You're already behind. I dunno, it's just my view. I will never pay for a tipping service. Horse racing for me is a sport, it's a game, it's fun. I like picking my own horses and talking to people about horses, and hearing their views, I will never pay for a tipster service because, well, it's boring. Plus, it's not why I like horse racing.

Healio

I would say the racing forum here has a very consistent rate of winners.

masterK

Healio wrote:

I would say the racing forum here has a very consistent rate of winners.

Agreed, maybe we should set up our own tipping service, I reckon membership could be €50 per month, we could also set up our own premium rate tipping line!! I can just see all the cash rolling in.:D

Seriously though, most of these tipping lines are absolute rubbish, they manipulate their results to make themselves look better. What you really need to do is keep track of their results at SP over a period of time, quite often the prices they use are virtually impossible to find and therefore not a realistic indication of their performance. I've seen a few of them use the best price a horse ever was on Betfair at any point as there winning odds.

The one thing I always ask myself is if these people really knew what they claim to why would they want to share it? Surely they would just back them themselves, the more people backing a horse the less it's price will be, therefore all the more reason not to share any information you may have.

finnpark

Horse Racing Profit are offering a free trial at the moment - http://www.horseracingprofit.com , since their trial is free theres no harm trying them out.

retenzo

looks fair dodgy to me tbh Finnpark you've to enter in paypal details etc. Its probably very difficult to cancel your subscription or has some catch or scam attached to it....but then again im only spectating. I have to agree with jones on this one, the fun is in picking the horse yourself and looking up form etc. At least if you lose you've only yourself to blame and not some "tipping" website.

However with that aside your probably better off going to reputable sites such as www.attheraces.com which offer FREE good tips or the racing post

fr wishy washy

masterK wrote:

Agreed, maybe we should set up our own tipping service, I reckon membership could be €50 per month, we could also set up our own premium rate tipping line!! I can just see all the cash rolling in.:D

Seriously though, most of these tipping lines are absolute rubbish, they manipulate their results to make themselves look better. What you really need to do is keep track of their results at SP over a period of time, quite often the prices they use are virtually impossible to find and therefore not a realistic indication of their performance. I've seen a few of them use the best price a horse ever was on Betfair at any point as there winning odds.

The one thing I always ask myself is if these people really knew what they claim to why would they want to share it? Surely they would just back them themselves, the more people backing a horse the less it's price will be, therefore all the more reason not to share any information you may have.

Its a complete no-brainer if you think about it.You are just giving somebody an income for doing what we do here for free.

finnpark

retenzo wrote:

looks fair dodgy to me tbh Finnpark you've to enter in paypal details etc. Its probably very difficult to cancel your subscription or has some catch or scam attached to it....but then again im only spectating. I have to agree with jones on this one, the fun is in picking the horse yourself and looking up form etc. At least if you lose you've only yourself to blame and not some "tipping" website.

However with that aside your probably better off going to reputable sites such as www.attheraces.com which offer FREE good tips or the racing post

You still get the free trial if you just enter your email address, provided you were never a free member below. I emailed them about it and they were most helpful too (tips@horseracingprofit.com I think).

You do need a long term free trial to judge any service.

Also , I see Henry Rix advertises in Racing Post with proofed porfits of £10000 but the fact that he -£12000 in last 6 months shows you how easily results are exaggerated. Hes only had about 2 winners in 6 months, Motorway at 4/1 was one of them. I knew a lady who was betting £100UK per point with him and she lost £5200 between May and September before stopping.

wb

Just a note to anyone considering any 'free trials' or suscribing to newsletters, e-mail tips etc.

I was silly enough to give my real e-mail address to a 'tipster' for a free trial. The (what i would loosley call) tips were sent to my inbox for a week. Then after that, I must have been put on a mailing list, as I started to recieve 4-5 'tipsters' offers per day, 'look at the profit..... only 200 quid.....blah blah blah.....' they were hard to block, and ended up clogging my address.

If you are considering it, set up a seperate address.

Regards,

Wayne

masterK

finnpark wrote:

You still get the free trial if you just enter your email address, provided you were never a free member below. I emailed them about it and they were most helpful too (tips@horseracingprofit.com I think).

You do need a long term free trial to judge any service.

Also , I see Henry Rix advertises in Racing Post with proofed porfits of £10000 but the fact that he -£12000 in last 6 months shows you how easily results are exaggerated. Hes only had about 2 winners in 6 months, Motorway at 4/1 was one of them. I knew a lady who was betting £100UK per point with him and she lost £5200 between May and September before stopping.

Good, she deserves that. Rix is a gangster and as bent as they come, the sudden shock improvments in horses he owns to land major gambles is proof of that.

The problem with these free trials is that you get 1-2 spam mails a day from them trying to sell you things. They also sell on your email details to others, up until recently I was getting about 10 mails a day from horse racing services that I had never heard about never mind signed up for. It's not worth the hassle of a free trial believe me.

The other thing with them is that they usually pick the shortest price horses around and then claim to have a very high % strike rate and add some imaginery prices to show how great their profits are.

dvdfan

Ok so you all seem a knowledgable bunch so ive decided against paying a tipster and instead paying for www.proformracing.co.uk software that helps pick winners. Ive used it before and its great for analyzing form but i was thinking of using a dutching system i.e picking 3 horses and betting a set amount on each of the 3 horses depending on their price to stake a set amount say for example €50. Has anyone used a similar system or what are the highs and lows of the system. It sounds sensible, one thing ive noticed about using the software is that its great at picking horses that give you a run for your money and so picking 3 horses that stand out should give me a good strike rate. Ill give you an example of what im on about

4.20 Leicester today
6 horse race
Fave 11/8
2nd Fav 9/2
j2nd fave 9/2

If i staked 26.86 at 11/8 i would win €63.65
if i staked 11.57 at 9/2 on the second horse i would win €63.65
if i staked 11.57 on the 3rd horse i would win €63.65
Total Stake 50.00

so if any of my 3 selections won i was gauranteed a profit of 13.65

the other prices of the other 3 horses were 13/2, 10/1, 11/1 all prices were sp.

Now it all depends on a good strike rate and choosing the right race, theres no point in going for a race with 20 runners. Would also consider dutching just 2 horses in smaller fields, but would only go for races where i feel my choices are pretty superior form wise.

Hoping for some advice on your experiences??

Cheers

retenzo

I think its the 2.20 race your refering to? I dont know if this approach would yield much profit.....if none of your selections came in youd be down big money....would your return or 13 euro or whatever be enough to justify a loss of 50 euro in future gambles which is inevitable? If this system was successful would everyone not be at it?i think so!!

There's only one winner in a race!!!

dvdfan

Ok good point Retenzo 13 euro gain to a 50 loss is it enough. Again as ive already said its all down to your strike rate and i think with this software i can hit the 80% mark over a long period so lets take an example assumming i make 80% strike rate and only bet on a race that will give me a minimum 30% profit of my stake which will be 50 per race for this example.

100 bets - 80 winners at 30% of my stake = €15 * 80 = total €1,200
100 bets - 20 losers at 50 euro stake = €1,000

profit of 2 euro a bet, not very good i think but if that was to prove successful over a long period of time i could increase my stake per race to 200 euro stake which would be a comfortable level for me and would yeild a profit of 800 euro over 100 bets. I think i could average 10 bets a day so that would be 800 profit in 10 days, not too bad. Also there are several things that could be done to improve things, one would be to increase on the 80% strike rate, the other would be to increase the profit percentage above 30% and considering 30% is the minimum and im not just picking the 3 shortest priced horses i would be picking the 3 best horses based on form i think it just might be possible to do ok.

This is probably a one sided blinkered view, anyone have any negitive responses that im not thinking of. One i can think of is betfairs comission but the better prices id get there should offset alot of this.

Questions i have is,
1) Would it best to use betfair or a normal online bookie?
2) Do you think 80% strike rate from 3 horses using good form analysis is unrealistic or far fetched?
3) Would it be possible to get reasonable odds on betfair at 8am to do these bets before i go to work or is this unlikely?
4) What would be a reasonable bank to have if i was staking 50 per race and working on an 80% strike rate?

Thanks for all your suggestions so far, i finally think im getting places and im glad your replies convinced me not to fork out for that expensive tipster.

dvdfan

Ive also been thinking of adding a variation to my staking plan to take advantage of the high strike rate. I was thinking when i have a loss i will try and make it back over the next 3 races. eg i lose 50 stake so over the next 3 races i will up my stake to win back an extra 17 euro over the next 3 races. If i did get a loser in this sequence of 3 i would just take the loss and start at scratch trying to make back the 17 over the next 3 races so as not to get too carried away. What do you think, is it a good idea considering its unliely to get too many 2 or 3 loses in a row if im on a 80% strike rate???