LOST Explained?? 'so 'far' USs02e11 Probably contain spoliers

stevejazzx

ok,l got some time at work to kill so heregoes:cool:

Right quite possibly a team of scientists headed by the infamous Alvar hanso have created an elcetromagnetoshpere on a reomote island. The scientists have created this (the electromagnetoshpere) because they believed the world was going to end due to the 'Polar reversal' of the earth. Polar reversal explanations here
http://www.nasca.org.uk/Strange_relics_/reversal/reversal.html
If the polar reversal occurs it is probable that the world would lose its electromagnetic protection from the harmful radiation of the sun and other atmospheric pollutants.
So on the island even if such an event were to happen they would be protected.
It is clear that the lost crew is manipulated by the island. They are learning and growing as a small society. They have probably been selected (as locke believes, who incidentally can now walk due the enormous elctromagnetic field stimulating nerve cells???) by the scientists as subjects who will repopulate the earth in the event of a doomsday scenario.
So who are the others, possibly the others are the first set subjects who were chosen by the scientists (many years ago when the project began)the 'guinea Pigs' if you will for the real subjects(the lost crew). The 'others' may well have broken free (somehow!)and formed a kind of renegade existence on the island.
It is probably that the scientists objective now to have the lostites kill off the others in some sort of territory war.
The 'incident' which is referred to in the show might possibly be that the others in an attempt to overthrow the scientists (who they see as evil) managed temporarily to break the electromagnetic shield of the Island thereby causing the 'radiated fallout' and the subsequent retreat of many to quarantine ect.
The others may well also be the 'diseased remains' of the this radiation and Beardy Zeke might be the head of a group of assigned to capture them.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm,.
Anyways Zeke and co. have captured Walt who clearly has some kind of force. The bird which crashes into the window while walt is reading a comic in season 1 is an indication that walt can effect electromagnetic fields, (birds and fish use these for navigation) he may also have esp etc etc.
(It is possible that Walt is the only one who can negate the Islands psychological manipulation so if you look at the theory that the backstories are planted memories(unlikely I'd say) perhaps Walt s power is interfering with the Dharma project .) Also Zeke may well want to capture any childern of the island because they have not yet become slaves to the Islands powers and can be saved.
The numbers are baffling but two ideas I've had are as follows:
they're longitudinal and latitudinal coordinates to the location of the island - idea come s from the fact Rousseaus crew were brodcasting these numbers, but why are the numbers unlucky, well I have one idea and its extremely improbable but here goes:
the Maya were an ancient race that predited or charted 'Polar reversal' they were descendants of the people of atlantis who some theoried may of experienced a polar reversal. Anyway the maya kept a calendar using a set of numbers which ended in the year 2012 around december. I speculate (wildly though) that Hurleys numbers are the 'end of the world date' as per the Mayan calendar.I don't know why they have to push the button every 108, I have read that may be downloading the latest satellites readings (info needed to maintain the sphere) or it may be an experiment as many have theorized.
Why are polar bears and horses on the Island, possibly because the scientists as well repopulating the world with humans are planning to do so also with animals,and during the 'others' revolt they managed to free some animals? (or I don't know) the Polar bear seems to tie in with the fact the south has become norht etc, as does the plane being a thousand of miles off course and of the compass which pointed the 'wrong' way.
The monster of the island seems to be some sort magnetic filed linked into the base of the scientists, used probably to control the islanders adventuring both physically and mentally.
P.S
I've seen a post by a guy on the numbers board
who had 'lost' spelt out like L, the 'mayan eye' inserted for the letter O S and T, it was funny as he never mentioned the maya connection in any of his posts.

Also another theory i didn't really discuss, but locke tells boone at one stage(where shannon is attacked but in boones imagination) that the isalnd is showing him what he wants to see or at least embedded thoughts, if this is true then all the islanders adventures are merely halucinations, i hope this is not the case, but rather and again much more complex that there moments where the lostites are decieved by the island into hallucinations ect, like jack seeing his father etc. this is done to stimulate the backstory thought process into happening....
which leads now to the most difficult theory, that the lost crew were actually concieved on the island cyogenically frozen and had memories implanted into them over many years, this is one of Mr. smith s theories that makes sense in some ways, but he also reckons that the plane crash was simulated by the scientists which is a bit far i think.
Why would they simulate the crash,possibly because they want the lostites to feel real within themselves and not just generic lab rats.

oh my head hurts.....

Ok well that is it, there are ideas here from boards.ie and the numbers boards which are the only two sites i've looked at in gathering this speculation.....

sephirosis

well it looks a pretty solid theory. I dont know if I actually agree with the core idea that the island is a haven from the destruction due to polar reversal. However, that premise does tie in in alot of places so its certainly very plausible and you thought it out well. I alos like the idea of the others being renegade rather than dharma employees/slaves/bitches. Some questions:

*would it actually be possible to construct a localised electromagnetic sphere with enough strength to deter solar radiation?
*Do you assume that the scientists are still somewhere on the island? If not, would it not make sense that they would save themselves as well? What do you think their current status?
*If Walt could really effect electromagnetic fields so strongly, when he did something like what happened with the bird back in the real world, would that not have had more drastic effects than just offing the poor bird?
*I'm very much open to correction here, but didn't the producers say that the numbers had no actual "meaning" apart from effecting the program? If so, it would go against the idea of tieing in with the Maya calendar (though I do like that idea, and the date you mentioned is the 23rd of decemder '12 afaik). they could still be co-ordinates, but would mean nothing in the real world.

anyway good post

doh.ie

Good theory. If true, I wonder how satisfyingly it could be explained on TV - they'd probably need to encounter a Dharma scientist/Alvar himself to get the real truth.

Some thoughts:

* Does the sphere extend well into the water around the island? Michael, Sawyer and Walt would have been out far enough to have headed beyond the protective sphere.
* If the Others are renegades, do they already know about the electromagnetic shield? I'm thinking they must; they have access to a boat, but haven't tried to leave for good.
* Wonder why Walt isn't affecting birds on the island itself? (For a long time, by the way, we could neither hear nor see birds on the show. I wondered if this was on purpose, but they seem to be more plentiful these days, so probably not)
* Does the island have some serious metallic substance at its core? Is this what the field is being generated by? Is this what's under the hatch?

stevejazzx

my employer has told me to do some work will reply later

lostexpectation

whats the maya interest in polar reversal, how do they know about it (in RL).

stevejazzx

sephirosis wrote:

*would it actually be possible to construct a localised electromagnetic sphere with enough strength to deter solar radiation?

AFAIK - It would be yes...eh...not sure

sephirosis wrote:

*Do you assume that the scientists are still somewhere on the island? If not, would it not make sense that they would save themselves as well? What do you think their current status?

They are on the island, I'd say. Why wouldn't they be on the island? like they are controlling everything from the real world or something? Not sure where you're going with that.

sephirosis wrote:

*If Walt could really effect electromagnetic fields so strongly, when he did something like what happened with the bird back in the real world, would that not have had more drastic effects than just offing the poor bird?

I'm not sure that i get you fully, he ws in the real when it happened firstly, perhaps you refer to it being an implanted memory and that because it happened in a memory there would be an knock on effect in the real world?
I see it like this, Walt s imagination was stimulated in the appartment from the comic and this stimulus started his force of whatever it is and drew the bird towards him.

sephirosis wrote:

*I'm very much open to correction here, but didn't the producers say that the numbers had no actual "meaning" apart from effecting the program? If so, it would go against the idea of tieing in with the Maya calendar (though I do like that idea, and the date you mentioned is the 23rd of decemder '12 afaik). they could still be co-ordinates, but would mean nothing in the real world.

I don't know if the writers have said this, when i investigated the polar reversal thing on the 2012 website I found that the maya wrote out their dates in setes of numbers like 1.3.12.16.26.30. etc and found that their calendar predicts the end of the world in 2012 so i thought would it coincide with hurleys numbers (someone who s good at maths might like to try and figure this out)

LoLth

In Support of your sattelite theory:

http://english.pravda.ru/world/2001/04/12/3495.html

It was 108 minutes on April 12, 1961 that made the difference to Yuri Gagarin and the world -- the time it took for the first man in space to complete his historic dash around the globe and blaze a trail to the stars.

108 minutes for an unmanned , unguided satellite to orbit the earth with a broadcast window of 2 minutes either side of the island's co-ordinates? By typing in the numbers, possibly co-ordinates for the island, the satellite can check for "drift".

stevejazzx

doh.ie wrote:

Good theory. If true, I wonder how satisfyingly it could be explained on TV - they'd probably need to encounter a Dharma scientist/Alvar himself to get the real truth.

yeah it's totally nuts if any of this is true and would be a nightmare to wrap it into a easily digestible consumer product......
Oh we'll see Alvar at some stage, i suppose the point is thta he's playing God and creating his own utopian vision and has become corrupted in the process.

doh.ie wrote:

Some thoughts:

* Does the sphere extend well into the water around the island? Michael, Sawyer and Walt would have been out far enough to have headed beyond the protective sphere.

OK great question. Possibly the island is actually projecting their adventures, or as you suggest the sphere covers the island envoirons(this theory is losing its ummp)

doh.ie wrote:

* If the Others are renegades, do they already know about the electromagnetic shield? I'm thinking they must; they have access to a boat, but haven't tried to leave for good.

If the world has ended they've have nowhere to go. Or possibly the islands 'Monster has prevented it. or possibly the 'others' are half crazed diseased islanders only interested on revenge.......

doh.ie wrote:

* Wonder why Walt isn't affecting birds on the island itself? (For a long time, by the way, we could neither hear nor see birds on the show. I wondered if this was on purpose, but they seem to be more plentiful these days, so probably not)

He seems to not understand his power. Its harnessed when certain stimuli are triggered. possibly.

doh.ie wrote:

* Does the island have some serious metallic substance at its core? Is this what the field is being generated by? Is this what's under the hatch?

good thinking........behind the hatch? possibly the scientists lair.. and the core!!!!

stevejazzx

LoLth wrote:

In Support of your sattelite theory:

http://english.pravda.ru/world/2001/04/12/3495.html

It was 108 minutes on April 12, 1961 that made the difference to Yuri Gagarin and the world -- the time it took for the first man in space to complete his historic dash around the globe and blaze a trail to the stars.

108 minutes for an unmanned , unguided satellite to orbit the earth with a broadcast window of 2 minutes either side of the island's co-ordinates? By typing in the numbers, possibly co-ordinates for the island, the satellite can check for "drift".

This gets more complicated, brilliant.

stevejazzx

lostexpectation wrote:

whats the maya interest in polar reversal, how do they know about it (in RL).

go to survive2012.com.. the crazee man ther has all the answers

qz

crazee man wrote:

6 years and 333 days until the end of the world?

:eek: Run!!!

Anima

oh my head hurts.....

Yeah its painfull to read alright...

mad m

Forget all other theories.

We all know deep down (But dont want to admit it) that the others are the Skeltons from one eyed willys ship that sailed at end of "Goonies".The ship was blown to Island and they came to life with the power of the Electromagnetic thingy .Remember the ship where they got the dynamite?

Sure Zeek looks like a pirate anyway,Yar harrrrr,you be putting those guns down now Jack!!:D

Thats it lost explained.


The end.

stevejazzx

Theres supposedly a Mayan calendar on the desk or behind them in the orientation video? can anyone verify this?

that would add weight to whole thing,

also another major development is that DL has said

"the dharma symbol on its own means nothing but if you break it up..." someone discovered this referenced the iching symbol

Trippie

stevejazzx wrote:

Why are polar bears and horses on the Island, possibly because the scientists as well repopulating the world with humans are planning to do so also with animals,and during the 'others' revolt they managed to free some animals?

I dont think that that they somehow managed to free the animals coz in episode 2 34:30 in when the shark swims past the camera under sawyer,the dharma symbol is branded on his tail. I think that the animals were put on the island at the same time as the original people but couldnt sustain themselves.

it could be a metaphor that in order to survive you have to be the hunter ie(polar bear & the shark) or you have to learn to be faster than the hunters(horse).

This could relate to the others and the crash survivors. where by the others just pick off the ones who arent able to fend for themselves ie(it was always unknown people who were taken by the others) they never tried to take someone like locke or jack.

I think that the castaways are starting to learn and i was very interested in the fact that ecko was able to tell when the others were approaching yet they didnt know he was around?

Jack B. Badd

LoLth wrote:

It was 108 minutes on April 12, 1961 that made the difference to Yuri Gagarin and the world -- the time it took for the first man in space to complete his historic dash around the globe and blaze a trail to the stars.

108 minutes for an unmanned , unguided satellite to orbit the earth with a broadcast window of 2 minutes either side of the island's co-ordinates? By typing in the numbers, possibly co-ordinates for the island, the satellite can check for "drift".

Wouldn't that only work if the clock reset itself at the end of the 108 minutes? As far as I remember it resets itself once "execute" is pushed.

stevejazzx

Trippie wrote:

I dont think that that they somehow managed to free the animals coz in episode 2 34:30 in when the shark swims past the camera under sawyer,the dharma symbol is branded on his tail. I think that the animals were put on the island at the same time as the original people but couldnt sustain themselves.

it could be a metaphor that in order to survive you have to be the hunter ie(polar bear & the shark) or you have to learn to be faster than the hunters(horse).

This could relate to the others and the crash survivors. where by the others just pick off the ones who arent able to fend for themselves ie(it was always unknown people who were taken by the others) they never tried to take someone like locke or jack.

I think that the castaways are starting to learn and i was very interested in the fact that ecko was able to tell when the others were approaching yet they didnt know he was around?

Yeah good points, but my idea was that the scientists put the animals there too, I mean the shark was in his natural habitat so hes explained with or without the dharma symbol, any ideas why they'd put a polar bear on a tropical island?its not just symbolic, i mean they were real were they not? i think they've been experimenting with cloning or repopulating and that some of these species have somehow become free!

stevejazzx

Jack B. Badd wrote:

Wouldn't that only work if the clock reset itself at the end of the 108 minutes? As far as I remember it resets itself once "execute" is pushed.

no, not if it adjusts for the time decrepency, we see it reset but perhaps the new countdown dosn't begin immediately, I say this because the satellite has almost been accepted now as the forerunner to explaining this 108 minute thing....

Talisman

There is a satellite system which orbits the Earth every 108 minutes and it's used to track bird migrations.

Today satellite tracking of birds is exclusively done using the ARGOS
system [3]. This system has been in operation since 1978 and uses satellites
in low-earth orbit at an altitude of 850 km.

Taken from this pdf

Google "swan satellite tracking argos".

Why "Swan"? The Hatch is called the Swan Station on the Dharma film. Anyway on the first page of results there is a page titled "How We Track The Swans" which has a link explaining how the ARGOS system works.

How the Argos System Works

N.O.A.A. satellites orbit every 108 minutes or about 14 times a day. The satellite scans a 5,000 kilometer wide area as it passes. The satellite is within transmitter range for about 10 minutes. If the transmitter is sending then the satellite will receive multiple messages from the swan's transmitter.

Because of the earth's rotation a transmitter at the equator would be scanned once a day while a transmitter at the pole could be scanned 14 times a day.

The second paragraph is interesting with respect to stevejazzx's theory and 'Polar Reversal'.

Jack B. Badd

stevejazzx wrote:

no, not if it adjusts for the time decrepency, we see it reset but perhaps the new countdown dosn't begin immediately, I say this because the satellite has almost been accepted now as the forerunner to explaining this 108 minute thing....

Fair enough. Now that I think of it I honestly can't remember ever seeing the countdown start as soon as it resets. I guess I just assumed it did. I'm not placing all my eggs in the satelite basket though...I still reckon Lost has a few more surprises to throw at us

stevejazzx

Talisman wrote:

There is a satellite system which orbits the Earth every 108 minutes and it's used to track bird migrations.

Taken from this pdf

Google "swan satellite tracking argos".

Why "Swan"? The Hatch is called the Swan Station on the Dharma film. Anyway on the first page of results there is a page titled "How We Track The Swans" which has a link explaining how the ARGOS system works.



The second paragraph is interesting with respect to stevejazzx's theory and 'Polar Reversal'.

wow, havn't seen the swan link before now, thats interesting and would seem to fit in.

Anima

I'm fairly sure the countdown starts after the reset.

Why would the whole numbers/computer/countdown thing be linked to a satelite? Do you see a dish in the near vacinaty?

stevejazzx

Anima wrote:

I'm fairly sure the countdown starts after the reset.

based on what?

Anima wrote:

Why would the whole numbers/computer/countdown thing be linked to a satelite?

read ultimate theory here
http://www.4815162342.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3377

Anima wrote:

Do you see a dish in the near vacinaty?

I'm not sure what mean, first of all, vacinaty????? you mean vicinity i think,
and no I havn't seen a dish on the island,

the Satellite theory is based around the Oersted find by Andrew smith (Hans Oersted is 'Hanso' the second part of the scientists name in the orientation vid.)

Anima

based on what?

Common sense? Why would the counter count down from 108, get reset, wait a while then count down again. It doesn't make any sense, why not just make it a 200 or whatever minute timer.

read ultimate theory here
http://www.4815162342.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3377

What for? You seem to base your entire understanding of Lost on that theory, when it is just that, a theory. I've read it before and came to conclusion that it was bull****. Do you really think the writers google all day for various obscure irrelevant facts to come up with the storyline? **** no.

I'm not sure what mean, first of all, vacinaty????? you mean vicinity i think,
and no I havn't seen a dish on the island,spoiler: the Satellite theory is based around the Oersted find by Andrew smith (Hans Oersted is 'Hanso' the second part of the scientists name in the orientation vid.)

Yes, I mean vinicity, I can see how it would be hard to spot.... So you're basing this "Satellite theory" on another theory? What if the first theory is wrong? What evidence in the show backs up the satellite theory? The only thing I can think of is maybe the radio tower which we haven't seen *might* have something that can transmit. Isn't it more likely that the computer controls something locally ? i.e. the electromagnet thing-a-majig.

doh.ie

Anima wrote:

Common sense? Why would the counter count down from 108, get reset, wait a while then count down again.

One thing that throws the 108-minute satellite thing slightly off is this: if the alarm sounds with *four* minutes to go (so 104 minutes are gone) and Kate or Jack or whoever then enters the numbers promptly at *that point*, it resets without having reached a full 108. Over time, this'd lead to the counter/synchronisation with the satellite being well out. (4 minutes out at every count for a full day would lead to the satellite being close to an hour out at the end of the day.)

stevejazzx

Anima wrote:

Common sense? Why would the counter count down from 108, get reset, wait a while then count down again. It doesn't make any sense, why not just make it a 200 or whatever minute timer.

thats a good point which I have discussed a lot aorund, but the satellite linking into orested was a big coincidence so it was put forward

Anima wrote:

What for? You seem to base your entire understanding of Lost on that theory,

oh dear:
1.No I don't base my entire understanding of lost on this but it is widely accepted as the first theory to make real headway into explaining what was going on in lost and although it would appear to have its faults it was nonetheless a solid starting ground for developing further theories

Anima wrote:

I've read it before and came to conclusion that it was bull****.

Well if your talking about ultimate theory then your in a very small minority, most have agreed it's pretty good...btw bull**** do have a better which theory doesn't include electromagnetic elements I'd love to hear it,

Anima wrote:

Do you really think the writers google all day for various obscure irrelevant facts to come up with the storyline? **** no..

No, in fact I never said or suggested anything to that nature.

Anima wrote:

Yes, I mean vinicity,

VICINITY....jeez

Anima wrote:

So you're basing this "Satellite theory" on another theory? What if the first theory is wrong? What evidence in the show backs up the satellite theory?

oh.. read more.....

stevejazzx

doh.ie wrote:

One thing that throws the 108-minute satellite thing slightly off is this: if the alarm sounds with *four* minutes to go (so 104 minutes are gone) and Kate or Jack or whoever then enters the numbers promptly at *that point*, it resets without having reached a full 108. Over time, this'd lead to the counter/synchronisation with the satellite being well out. (4 minutes out at every count for a full day would lead to the satellite being close to an hour out at the end of the day.)

Question already raised in thread, yes it's a very valid question at that, the only possible answer would be that it accounts for the decrepency, i.e it resets after 104 mins are gone in your example but doesn't begin for another 4 mins so its an equal 108...it'll be interesting to see waht happens.
It may not be correct at all...

Talisman

Anima wrote:

Why would the whole numbers/computer/countdown thing be linked to a satelite? Do you see a dish in the near vacinaty?

“From the dawn of our species, Man has been blessed with curiosity. Our most precious gift, without exception, is the desire to know more - to look beyond what is accepted as the truth and to imagine what is possible.”

Talisman

doh.ie wrote:

One thing that throws the 108-minute satellite thing slightly off is this: if the alarm sounds with *four* minutes to go (so 104 minutes are gone) and Kate or Jack or whoever then enters the numbers promptly at *that point*, it resets without having reached a full 108. Over time, this'd lead to the counter/synchronisation with the satellite being well out. (4 minutes out at every count for a full day would lead to the satellite being close to an hour out at the end of the day.)

"Every 108 minutes the alarm will sound. You will have 4 minutes to enter the code..." - that's what the man on the film said. It would suggest that the alarm will sound every 108 minutes irrespective of whether there is 4 minutes or 1 second left on the clock when the code is enter and the execute button pressed.

stevejazzx

Talisman wrote:

"Every 108 minutes the alarm will sound. You will have 4 minutes to enter the code..." - that's what the man on the film said. It would suggest that the alarm will sound every 108 minutes irrespective of whether there is 4 minutes or 1 second left on the clock when the code is enter and the execute button pressed.

oh yeah.....

Jack B. Badd

Talisman wrote:

"Every 108 minutes the alarm will sound. You will have 4 minutes to enter the code..." - that's what the man on the film said. It would suggest that the alarm will sound every 108 minutes irrespective of whether there is 4 minutes or 1 second left on the clock when the code is enter and the execute button pressed.

I bow to your superior knowledge on this point (and kick myself for not listening properly to that film )

Talisman

Jack B. Badd wrote:

I bow to your superior knowledge on this point (and kick myself for not listening properly to that film )

I wouldn't say I have superior knowledge per se, it was coincidence that I had just seen the episode.

Jack B. Badd

Talisman wrote:

I wouldn't say I have superior knowledge per se, it was coincidence that I had just seen the episode.

In that case, I bow to your lucky coincidence.

Anima

VICINITY....jeez

I don't correct your horrible grammar/spelling, don't correct mine thanks.

Well if your talking about ultimate theory then your in a very small minority, most have agreed it's pretty good...btw bull**** do have a better which theory doesn't include electromagnetic elements I'd love to hear it,

Maybe I will read it, save you cutting and pasting from it for every post...

doh.ie

Talisman wrote:

"Every 108 minutes the alarm will sound. You will have 4 minutes to enter the code..." - that's what the man on the film said. It would suggest that the alarm will sound every 108 minutes irrespective of whether there is 4 minutes or 1 second left on the clock when the code is enter and the execute button pressed.

Let's say it resets now (with one second to spare), it will alarm again in 108 mintues frow now. Let's say at that point, (3:59 and counting down), I type in the numbers, it resets and 108 minutes count down again. But the next time, I don't input the numbers until 0:01, now it's been running for 112 minutes. Depending on when the numbers are input, there is still a four-minute extra added (or not) on to the 108 countdown. I'm figuring the satellite (if it is indeed tied to the satellite theory) is in that particular area of transmission for four minutes on either side, at which point a 108 minute countdown resumes until it reaches the transmission zone again.

The theory holds up, but only if there's a four minute "window" for the satellite to make contact/be contactable after the 108 minutes are up.

Talisman

My understanding from having watched the episode again is that the 108 minute count down is not affected by the 4 minute window. The 4 minute window is part of the 108 minute count down, pressing the Execute button resets the visible counter to 108:00 but the count down doesn't begin again until the 108 minutes have expired (an internal clock system). Let me explain why:

Scenario 1 - The counter runs on an internal clock.
If the alarm first sounds at 00:00:00 (counter is 004:00), it will next sound at 01:48:00 (108 minutes later) whether the Execute button was pressed at 00:00:01 (counter is 003:59) or 00:03:59 (counter is 000:01). If the numbers and Execute button are tied to a satellite system with a 108 minute orbit then this is the only way it can work because satellite orbits are synchronous.

Scenario 2 - The counter has no clock, Execute button restarts it.
The count down starts from the second the Execute button is pressed. If the alarm first sounds at 00:00:00 and the Execute button is pressed at 00:00:01 (counter only reaches 003:59) and the 108 minute count down starts then it will next sound at 01:44:01 (104 minutes have passed) and if the countdown again only reaches 003:59 (01:44:02 now), the next time the alarm sounds will be 03:28:02. Now here's the bit where the satellite theory would fall apart - if the satellite is in a 108 minute orbit it would have been in range at the following times :00:00:00-00:04:00, 01:48:00-01:52:00, 03:36:00-03:40:00. Notice something wrong? The satellite is still out of range for almost four minutes when the alarm sounds the second time and almost eight minutes the third time it sounds.

Scenario 2 can not be the case because the alarm has gone off every 104 minutes which contradicts what is said in the Dharma film. :cool:

On another note:
Comparing the Lost satellite system to the real world ARGOS satellite system, which is in range of the transmitter for 10 minutes it would suggest that transmitter for the the Lost satellite system is less powerful (has a narrower beam) than a real world system which has been in place since 1978.

Talisman

Anima wrote:

I'm fairly sure the countdown starts after the reset.

Why would the whole numbers/computer/countdown thing be linked to a satelite? Do you see a dish in the near vacinaty?

Just to knock the where is the satellite dish thing on the head:

Thousands of birds are fitted with satellite transmitters which are tracked by the ARGOS satellite system, each bird is uniquely identified, they do not carry satellite dishes on their backs - the transmitters are lightweight (35g-45g).

Swan with radio transmitter fitted to its neck

How it works

stevejazzx

Anima wrote:

I don't correct your horrible grammar/spelling, don't correct mine thanks.

You spelt vicinity like this 'vacinaty', that's ridiculous.As far as you correcting my spelling goes you gave up that right with 'painfull' and 'vacinaty', which incidentally is exactly how I feel replying to you so this will be the last time....

Anima wrote:

Maybe I will read it

Is this joke, if not it would mean you were replying to threads with negative quotes without having the smallest iota of an idea of what you were talking about.Hmmmmmmmmmm

Anima wrote:

save you cutting and pasting from it for every post...

If you can find one thing, just one single thing that i've cut and pasted from ultimate theory then I will declare you a genius, btw you do realise you're going to have to read ultimate theory first......

Anima

Ok my final reply to you. You think you can correct my spelling when you type such gems as, "btw bull**** do have a better which theory doesn't involve....", every post? I could spell "lost" with a 9 and not sound as retarded as that.

Anyway, the creators did say people were taking their theories too far and I think the "ultimate theory" is a prime example. So much information is based on just the comic alone. As for polar reversal and men controlling things with their minds... good luck with that. That theory is as solid as custard.

stevejazzx

Anima wrote:

Ok my final reply to you. You think you can correct my spelling when you type such gems as, "btw bull**** do have a better which theory doesn't involve....", every post? I could spell "lost" with a 9 and not sound as retarded as that.

Anyway, the creators did say people were taking their theories too far and I think the "ultimate theory" is a prime example. So much information is based on just the comic alone. As for polar reversal and men controlling things with their minds... good luck with that. That theory is as solid as custard.

btw satnds for 'by the way' it has nothing to with spelling.
oh and now I'm retarded because you disagree with me, well that's nice.....anything on thread at all, constructive criticism?????anything at all intelligible?

Anima

What?

....nevermind. Just.... nevermind. Dear god.

doh.ie

Talisman wrote:

My understanding from having watched the episode again
is that the 108 minute count down is not affected by the 4 minute window. The 4 minute window is part of the 108 minute count down, pressing the Execute button resets the visible counter to 108:00 but the count down doesn't begin again until the 108 minutes have expired (an internal clock system).

I have to say this is most likely the case. In "Man of Science, Man of Faith", at the very end, Jack presses execute with barely seconds to go. We see the counter reset. One minute later, we see "108" flip to "107", suggesting the counter reset almost at zero and continued counting down. (This supoprts the above.)

What I'm not 100% sure we've yet seen is an instance where someone pressed the button quite quickly (say around 3:45) and the wall counter then reset to "108" but went on to take just under five minutes to go to then go to "107". That would certainly prove the four-minute "window" is part of the 108 countdown. But equally did we see someone enter the numbers early in the "window", it resets, but it then flipped to 107 within a minute or two.

I have to say, based on the satellite potential link, scenario 1 is certainly how it ought to work.

Talisman

Walt's comic

Don't know if people have seen it already, but I'd be interested to read people's thoughts on its relevance to the show if any other than the featured polar bear.

doh.ie

Talisman wrote:

Walt's comic

Don't know if people have seen it already, but I'd be interested to read people's thoughts on its relevance to the show if any other than the featured polar bear.

Gah! I wish I hadn't bought the flippin' comic now!

Teg Veece

Not sure about Locke regaining his ability to walk because of his nerves being stimulated by an electromagnetic field. The field would have to be enormous to do that. As in pulling every metallic object on the island towards it. Or at the very least cause all the compasses on earth to point towards the island. (Surely the group would have been found by now if that was the case!).

stevejazzx

Teg Veece wrote:

Not sure about Locke regaining his ability to walk because of his nerves being stimulated by an electromagnetic field. The field would have to be enormous to do that. As in pulling every metallic object on the island towards it. Or at the very least cause all the compasses on earth to point towards the island. (Surely the group would have been found by now if that was the case!).

tis true.................then again jacks necklace thing,
and the torch being pulled toward the hatch and the compass anomalies tell us there is without doubt a huge magnetic field there, but strong enough to make locke walk? don't know
it is very likley that there has been some interference with the survivors by the scientists on some level..this might ultimately be the explanation i suspect!

mewso

I'm interested in what the suggestion is about the scientists though. Is it that their plan is going as intended? It doesn't really have the look of a plan that has moved along smothly what with Desmonds shock, the others threatening the survivors. If the implication in the theory is that it is going to plan then does this mean nobody is in any danger on the island as events are being controlled? (nothing was ever going to happen during the campfire confrontation?). Where were the others when this elaborate "crashed plane" scene was constructed? It's an interesting theory but I have my doubts.

doh.ie

musician wrote:

Where were the others when this elaborate "crashed plane" scene was constructed? It's an interesting theory but I have my doubts.

That's one of my problems with the 'Ultimate Theory' as well. The Others, Rosseau and presumably others (not *the* Others!) on the island were all there during this suggested reconstruction, many having arrived on the island decades earlier. Desmond would have been oblivious, granted, but the theory has difficulty explaining how everyone else didn't know when pieces of the craft (or Dharma 'agents') were running around putting the pieces in place for a post-crash wake-up.

Incidentally, was talking to someone during the week who suggested a theory involving everyone being in a kind of coma stasis where their minds were manipulated into believing they were on the island. (The end-of-the-world scenario still applies.) His idea was that while they were on the island, most of the memories of the current TV show events were being 'implanted' so that when they actually awoke to find themselves on the island, they'd live out their lives normally. This was the reason for their having to 'come to terms' with their pasts (so their lives would be more focused), and the cause of Dharma objects (symbols, spheres, numbers showing up etc) appearing in the flashbacks. (Think Vanilla Sky, or DS9's "The Search, Part II") It would also explain the more extraordinary elements on the island (monster, crashes, whispering - the whispering may be the observation of the group by the Dharma scientists, overheard and making its way into their subconscious 'dreams.) The hatch, computer entering and super-magnet discoveries in the show may be Dharma's way to make sure the group are fully trained in the tasks of a post-world apocalypse.

Like the Ultimate Theory, I don't particularly like it because it would be difficult to portray well on screen (though I like the idea of Jack or Locke 'waking up' in the coma waiting area and seeing everyone else asleep). It would also be - and this is my problem with the Ultimate as well - likely be disappointing to a mainstream audience (and ardent fans) who will *really* want this to be a great solution.

Still, worth putting out there - I'd read the coma thing before, but not heard it in such a neat tied-in way.

stevejazzx

doh.ie wrote:

That's one of my problems with the 'Ultimate Theory' as well. The Others, Rosseau and presumably others (not *the* Others!) on the island were all there during this suggested reconstruction, many having arrived on the island decades earlier. Desmond would have been oblivious, granted, but the theory has difficulty explaining how everyone else didn't know when pieces of the craft (or Dharma 'agents') were running around putting the pieces in place for a post-crash wake-up.

Yep it's very hard to see this fake simulated crash idea as a solution.
We are either a.) dealing with them being on the island all time as you allude to below with the memores implanted while they've been comatosed or
b.) Dharma have been manipulating them with agents in the real world, or
c)when they crashed on the island dharma has been interfering with them, through suggestion etc i.e images of Jack father, horses, and on and on.......

doh.ie wrote:

Incidentally, was talking to someone during the week who suggested a theory involving everyone being in a kind of coma stasis where their minds were manipulated into believing they were on the island. (The end-of-the-world scenario still applies.) His idea was that while they were on the island, most of the memories of the current TV show events were being 'implanted' so that when they actually awoke to find themselves on the island, they'd live out their lives normally. This was the reason for their having to 'come to terms' with their pasts (so their lives would be more focused), and the cause of Dharma objects (symbols, spheres, numbers showing up etc) appearing in the flashbacks. (Think Vanilla Sky, or DS9's "The Search, Part II") It would also explain the more extraordinary elements on the island (monster, crashes, whispering - the whispering may be the observation of the group by the Dharma scientists, overheard and making its way into their subconscious 'dreams.) The hatch, computer entering and super-magnet discoveries in the show may be Dharma's way to make sure the group are fully trained in the tasks of a post-world apocalypse.

Plausible idea I would of thought, but i agree not entirely satisfying, I think theres more than that

stevejazzx

musician wrote:

I'm interested in what the suggestion is about the scientists though. Is it that their plan is going as intended? It doesn't really have the look of a plan that has moved along smothly what with Desmonds shock, the others threatening the survivors.

I think there is a plan, but I think you're right it's not going to plan!
They weren't meat to find Desmond I think.....There s something like the spirit of man winning out against mind control going on with Locke anyway,
what i mean by that is the losties seem to be psychologically controlled or manipulated but thier resolve is stronger than the scientists had anticipated and events are not going accordinly because of this.........
Their interation with the oters is meant to happen, possibly as survival test or excercise...not sure, its seems increasinly likely that Zeke is a revolutionary and going to help them in ultimately overthrowing the scientists, the other 'others' I suspect are deranged from the 'fallout' if that actually did happen.

musician wrote:

If the implication in the theory is that it is going to plan then does this mean nobody is in any danger on the island as events are being controlled? (nothing was ever going to happen during the campfire confrontation?). Where were the others when this elaborate "crashed plane" scene was constructed? It's an interesting theory but I have my doubts.

well they could be danger because the idea is building a society that can sustain itself through a doomsday senario in which case you'll need a varied and strong set of people. so the island might well be a controlled series of tests...