Deadly Street Fighting!!!!

fianna.5u.com

Hi,

I'd like to get peoples opinion on the following:

Last saturday I was walking along, I see 2 groups of 3 guys about 15 meters from each other. Between these were 2 guys locked at arms lenght holding each others neck or what ever. The smaller guy was whimpering, I'm sure if he told the big guy to f off he would have, but his pathetic whines egged the guy on. I'd say the guys were about 17 and half cut.

So first I think "I'll jump off my bike a ruin some fuS!" and then I think, "nah it's really none of my business, if the guy was lying on the ground or in any danger I would, but not now, instead I'll cycle the 30 seconds to the Garda station and tell them". On my way to the police station I meet a Garda and I tell him the story. He continues ambling towards the scene.

So anyway the question is this. WHat should be done in that situation. THe reason I'm asking is this: I could have arrived into work and heard on the radio another "annabells" case. On the night of the "annabells" murder I was on the bus with the guy so that kind of put the tought in my head.

THanks

Peace

p.s. post as many "well I'm a leathal street fighter who could..." or "being able to bench press 1000kg..." or best of all "know the special techniques that I do..." as possible!

Dragan

TO be honest, i would have had to have been there. I have been wary of trying to help people every since i got the hiding of a lifetime and a week in hospital for my trouble about 2 years ago.

Similar case to yours what seemed to be half assed attempt at starting a fight, so i went over and just told the lads to calm down, next thing i know I'm on the ground getting a kicking. A taxi driver was kind enough to wade in with a steering lock and clear the lads off before i was proper ****ed. I was told by some girl that a guy behind me had smashed something into my head and down i went.

Oh well.

TO be honest i just had not expected the level of violence that my "common sense" was met with. If i had have been expecting it there is not a lot you can do about being blind sided anyway.

As it stands, i know if someone was down and getting a beating i would go into it and try and help them out, whether i got another kicking or not. But i am less likely to involve myself in non violent situations now.

To be honest i think you did the right thing, at the end of the day when it comes to one against some pretty decent numbers you can be guaranteed to lose.

paddyc

walk up shaking your head uncontrolably and making your leg and arm twitch and start quoting lines fromt he bible, then start letting the odd swear word out of ya, and i guarentee that no one says boo to you and then turn and walk oof and it will all be sorted.....


or maybe it was all a dream... but anyways i think it would be cool to see it

Millionaire

I would have called the cops from my mobile and reported it.

I saw a similar situation in rathmines one night. I was going to wade in too, and though I would end up in a terrible mill...I was alone.

so walk 30 sec up the road. hailed a cop car. they pulled in, looked at me like I was a nutter. I reported what I just saw. they drove up, slowed down for 3 secs, glanced at the incident...and drove off!!!!

Michael O Leary

Its an excellant question Fianna and one I think that we all struggle with.

I used to live in Bachelors Walk facing onto the laneway part and one night at about 2pm when I was on the phone to my mother in America I heard shouting outside. It was between a man and a woman with the woman being manhandled. Actually the shouting was so loud that my mother could hear it on the other end of the line and told me to do something. The question is what is the best thing to do? One extreme is to do nothing and the other to get my Escrima sticks/machete and attack him with them. Neither of these is an option given the circumstance so there are multiple choices in between. What is too much and what is too little?

As the lights were off in the apartment I just shouted out the window something like, "Hey, leave her along and F*ck Off or I will call the police". The guy just roared back, "Shup up" (and because he could not whether I was big or not:) ) continued quietly "you muppet". The two of them then walked off.

I then asked my mother who by the way is a black-belt in Aikido the same question that Fianna has put forward. What should you do? Her advise is to ask the person in this situation if they want any help. If they are ambigious or ignore you or opposed to making it clear that they want help then this could be a guideline. It may not be appropiate in all situations but can be helpful in some.

P.S. Fianna, one of the best and most relevant posts I have read by anyone to date.

Regards,

Michael O'Leary
www.wingtsun-escrima.ie

Ger Healy

You should have waded in with your bike and cleared the f**king place............................................






Nah you did the right thing.

dlofnep

It depends really. If there is only one or two of em acting the muppet, I'd just go over and them to calm down. Depends on the scenario.. I'm not sure.

4-age

hey i was in a simalar situation on sat night saw a guy dragging his girlfriend into his apartmentwas the only bloke and i was with my girlfriend so i did want to jump in guns ablazin plus the guy had about tfour inches and atleast twenty pounds on me saw two garda on horses and the got involved.was told after that the assholes girlfriend didnt want to press chargers so if i had of got involved it would have been me the guards were arresting.!

4-age

oh i almost forgot if i had of got invloved i would have used my indian death touch/pshcic knock out powers to resolve the situation

judomick

Michael O Leary wrote:

One extreme is to do nothing and the other to get my Escrima sticks/machete and attack him with them.

:eek:

damo

You should have summoned all the Chi around you and fired it at the group (being careful to not hit the victim), resulting in a flash KO of the aforementioned group (excluding the victim of course).

Thats what i wouldve done anyway. Thatll learn em.

dlofnep

damo wrote:

You should have summoned all the Chi around you and fired it at the group (being careful to not hit the victim), resulting in a flash KO of the aforementioned group (excluding the victim of course).

Thats what i wouldve done anyway. Thatll learn em.

:v:

turbot

My approach in these situation is:

Watch carefully and figure out the odds of someone relatively innocent being badly injured or worse. Call the police first. Then, if neccessary, respond accordingly.

Two scenarios come to mind:

NUMBER 1:

It's 6.30 in the evening and I'm walking to the gym. In front of me I see this pile of people and it becomes clear they are trying to break up a fight between... two girls. As I start to help to try to pull these girls apart, it becomes clear that it's a racially motivated issue, and I see one black girl and one white irish girl and they are both pulling eachothers hair, arms locked, heads down.

As I tried to pull them apart, this pasty faced, overweight irish girl, circa 16 / 17 years old walks around me, grabs the black girls jumper, and shouts "you black bitch" and tries to kick her in the face (her face was facing down).

Watching this, I took the irish girls hand and twisted her off balance in a fairly standard ju-jitsu wrist lock, then held her uncomfortably off balance, so she couldn't kick the black girl.

She starts screaming, "let me go, let met go!" About 30 seconds later, someone who seemed to be her 17 year old boyfriend jumps in front of me and says, "You better let her go or I'll break your teeth". I figured I could be in a fight with a kid, or call the police.

So I took about 15 steps back and went to call the police, and behind me all hell broke loose. Three 17 year old guys, one of whom threatened me, punched everyone in sight who was trying to break up the fight, including one guy who fell over and then got kicked in the head, and one old guy (70ish) who then tripped over and was knocked unconscious by his head hitting the ground. This happened in literally 30 seconds.

The smartest person around, ran over to the old guy, put his fingers against his neck for all of 5 seconds, then shouted out really loud "He's dead". The 17 year olds legged it... and then I went over to the black girl, who it turned out had been in school with the girls, reported them for racial bullying, and they' d gotten suspended, so they decided to go after her. I then accompanied her to the police station and made a statement. My guess is that if I'd beaten up a 17 year old, depsite the circumstances, things could be legally dodgy...

NUMBER 2:

I'm standing outside tramcos in Rathmines about 8 months ago, and across the road I watch a fight break out between 4 irish guys, and one indian guys. The indian guy is struggling to get away, while they are collectively grabbing at his clothes and taking swings at him.

The indian guy runs up the street, followed by 4 irish guys, and one scottish guy (who at that time, I thought was perpetrator number 5).

They go down a rather dark secluded side road, and I'm running after them, calling the police on my mobile.

4 vs 1 is not good odds and I'm reasonably able to handle myself.

I'm approx 60 seconds behind for having called the police, as in the distance I see the indian guys shirt being ripped open, a few punches swung at him, then him pulled off balance so he's on the ground.

The scottish guy is pushing them away, and holding them off and as I size up the situation and run over ready for a fight, behind me a police car drives down the road and the irish guys try to flee and hide, and I point to where they are hiding.

It turned out that one of the irish guys, who I think was from Limerick, was pissing in someones front pathway in front of their house, and on the steps the indian guy, and his east european girlfriend suddenly realise the piss is dribbling down on her. The indian guy objects.. the irish guy picks a fight and his friends jump in.

I don't think the Police did anything worthwhile in the situation. I gave my details and offered to make a statement, but they didn't arrest the irish guys, and I think they deserved to be arrested. that could have easily been an anabels style incident, were it not for the scottish bloke.

It seemed racially motivated.

My perspective is, it's easier to at least start by calling the police... and if you keep a close eye on whats going on, and you have a few tekken combos and jedi mind tricks you can pull off, then if it gets really serious, and you reckon you could handle it, you could potentially save someones life, or at least preserve their quality of life.

I also reckon that scare tactics go along way. Shouting "Lads, the Guards" is enough to distract most of them somewhat, if only to create a context where it's easier to hit someone who deserves it hard enough to take him out in three easy steps.

Do you know what the legalites are of intervening in an attempt to help somoene, like in the situations described above?

Instead of summoning all the chi and blasting them, isn't it easier to summon, er, their chi out of them... ?

Clive

I would have immediately gone to CODE RED and launched a PREMEMPTIVE STRIKE on a random passer by to show that I was a PREDATOR, NOT THE PREY. BETTER TO BE CARRIED BY SIX THAN JUDGED BY TWELVE! I'd put my SIX against a wall and prepare myself for the STORM!

Sreiously though, if two lads want to fight each other I think they should be encouraged, as long as they wait until I can pop into Supermacs and get a snack box first.

The only time I've ever gotten involved in a situation like that is when I thought a girl was going to get battered by her fella, so I told him that it wouldn't be a good idea.

Fight! Fight! Fight!

dlofnep

Clive wrote:

I would have immediately gone to CODE RED and launched a PREMEMPTIVE STRIKE on a random passer by to show that I was a PREDATOR, NOT THE PREY. BETTER TO BE CARRIED BY SIX THAN JUDGED BY TWELVE! I'd put my SIX against a wall and prepare myself for the STORM!

Go get em Clive!

loz

Clive wrote:

I would have immediately gone to CODE RED and launched a PREMEMPTIVE STRIKE on a random passer by to show that I was a PREDATOR, NOT THE PREY. BETTER TO BE CARRIED BY SIX THAN JUDGED BY TWELVE! I'd put my SIX against a wall and prepare myself for the STORM!



Fight! Fight! Fight!

Don't let em into your 18 !!!!!

Arnagan

As it stands, i know if someone was down and getting a beating i would go into it and try and help them out, whether i got another kicking or not. But i am less likely to involve myself in non violent situations now.

Good call. I've found that unless its ur job, or u have a personal stake in the welfare of one of the possible combatents (ie a relative etc), its better to stand back and subtly witness than intervene in a non-violent yet volitile situation.

To be honest i think you did the right thing, at the end of the day when it comes to one against some pretty decent numbers you can be guaranteed to lose.

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Thats pretty much exactly how it is. I've been ambushed by numbers, harrased by numbers, been a singular attacker setting an ambush on numbers, and been a part of a few crews or pairs setting an ambush on numbers, and unless ya really set the battlefield before hand?
Its all about the numbers.

NutJob

4-age wrote:

hey i was in a simalar situation on sat night saw a guy dragging his girlfriend into his apartmentwas the only bloke and i was with my girlfriend so i did want to jump in guns ablazin plus the guy had about tfour inches and atleast twenty pounds on me saw two garda on horses and the got involved.was told after that the assholes girlfriend didnt want to press chargers so if i had of got involved it would have been me the guards were arresting.!

I got a hammering for doing the same thing. There is no simple answer to domestic violence or any other situation. Thats why its called a judgement call.


Just remember if you get unlucky you can end up seriously hurt and each situation is different.

dunkamania

I usually stick around to watch (free entertainment is free entertainment)
If someone was getting a kicking on the ground or was badly outnumbered,I would call the cops or intervene if it was very urgent.
I havent had to do either yet.